Vermillion Posted July 21 Posted July 21 1 minute ago, GraceRandolph said: Black and female voters are not going to jump ship if delegates decide Kamala isn't the strongest candidate against Trump. It makes no sense to swap out Biden for someone almost as unpopular. If Kamala was so well liked by women and poc don't you think she would have a higher approval rating? I don't have the energy to go back down these stat pipelines, but this is objectively false. And I say that as someone with plenty of problems with her that have nothing to do with her electability. 1
GraceRandolph Posted July 21 Posted July 21 1 minute ago, ClashAndBurn said: Winning against Trump isn't really the path we're looking down right now. That would have required Biden stepping aside a year ago and allowing for a process to play out. Swapping Biden out for whomever now is more about stemming the bleeding and not losing too many House and Senate races. I think a fresh face without baggage could do the job. Americans were begging for something new and now Dems have the perfect opportunity to give it to them.
GhostBox Posted July 21 Posted July 21 (edited) 1 minute ago, khalyan said: They easily could sit out of the election if they feel their voice has been passed over. There is no other Democrat that has a drastically higher chance of winning in November that would be worth the risk. What a slap in the face of the back community would it be to push aside the first black vp for a white person they never voted for 💀 Edited July 21 by GhostBox 1
wastedpotential Posted July 21 Posted July 21 I feel like people are getting hung up on Beshear's strength in Kentucky as some sort of special GOP-whisperer skill (and thus want him for VP to extrapolate that nationally) when there's no way he'd have won anything statewide there without his father's name and legacy. He's done a remarkable job of winning hesitant voters within Kentucky, but I don't think he'll be able to get the same foot in the door nationally, especially when his state (and all of Appalachia) can essentially be written off for a Democrat president. 2
jakeisphat Posted July 21 Posted July 21 https://www.nytimes.com/live/2024/07/21/us/biden-drops-out-election/91ca4096-b7c9-54b5-bb98-db20353faca0?smid=url-share 2 1
GraceRandolph Posted July 21 Posted July 21 With the way you guys are talking you'd think Kamala was a top 5 candidate in the 2020 primary.
OnlyManInTheWorld Posted July 21 Posted July 21 Michelle Obama is the only right choice. Too bad she refuses to run. 2
GraceRandolph Posted July 21 Posted July 21 Push my hair back, look hot when I'm bumping that No, I really don't stop when I'm bumping that Gonna jump when it drops, when I'm bumping that Dial 999, it's a good time Who the **** are you? I'm a brat when I'm bumping that Now I wanna hear my track, are you bumping that? Till the windows crack, I'll be bumping that No, I'll never go home, don't sleep, don't eat, just do it on repeat, keep bumping that @Bloodflowers. 1
Vermillion Posted July 21 Posted July 21 3 minutes ago, GraceRandolph said: A Newsom/Harris ticket is looking more and more appealing to me. Newsom? The French laundry elitist who can't decide whether to pass or veto progressive legislation in California because of how it'll make him look nationally? That Newsom? He, Gretchen and Beshear don't want Prez OR VP this cycle so scratch those off the list. The donors have been circulating Josh Shapiro, Mark Kelly and Wes Moore. 6 1
applestar Posted July 21 Posted July 21 9 minutes ago, khalyan said: That's why it's an issue. Do you want to risk losing black voters and female voters who are typically the strongest Democratic loyalists just to get a few more fickle white male voters because you replaced Kamala? They live in blue states. You need moderate white women in swing states to win the election. Most of them are aging, so they dgaf about abortion. Gen Z also doesn't vote. This was an opportunity to put up some new blood, and you're going to see Trump win in November because of this decision
FameFatale Posted July 21 Posted July 21 The whiplash I've gone through the past hour. From being shocked to laughing my ass off at coconut memes 1
shelven Posted July 21 Posted July 21 7 minutes ago, GraceRandolph said: A Newsom/Harris ticket is looking more and more appealing to me. An all-California ticket has a 0% chance of winning a single Rust Belt state 6 1
Sannie Posted July 21 Posted July 21 8 hours ago, Sannie said: Yeah, but see, the number 47 and the number 2025 are too different numbers so they're totally different and not related at all. They can't lol. He already has the votes/delegates and only he can release them. It would be even more suicidal to try and stage some kind of quasi-coup so that's why everyone is practically begging him to decide on his own. The only option would be to suck it up and support him. Part of me feels like since he hasn't done any sort of press conference to confirm he's staying in and it's just quotes here and there, he may actually be thinking about it or he's already decided and the admin and his team are putting together a plan for what to do once he announces he's dropping? Probably just me being hopeful. OH MY ******* GOD I JUST SAW THE NEWS AND I WAS RIGHT. HE WAS HOLDING OFF. AND HE THEN ENDORSED KAMALA RIGHT AWAY. THIS IS A DREAM COME TRUE. I have seen more excitement and enthusiasm over the past hour than I have in the past year because of this. Oh, MY GOD. COME THROUGH!!!!!
jakeisphat Posted July 21 Posted July 21 https://www.nytimes.com/live/2024/07/21/us/biden-drops-out-election/9049e646-8b36-5dcd-83ba-3c1bfe3d039e?smid=url-share 2
Vermillion Posted July 21 Posted July 21 24 minutes ago, ClashAndBurn said: Joe Biden himself killed #MeToo, so idk about that one Black women are 7% of the population, and won't save her in Wisconsin. Idk, I get the feeling she still loses in the Rust Belt, but the downballot hemorrhage might be prevented at least. New York and New Jersey becoming battleground states was untenable. That's what I cared about more than anything else at this point was downballot hemorrhaging. And that is the NUMBER ONE factor of greatest impact and import from the base and risk to a lengthy contested convention. At this point I'm not against one but in the last 20 minutes it's become a lot damn harder for anyone that wants to try.
ATRL Moderator khalyan Posted July 21 Author ATRL Moderator Posted July 21 5 minutes ago, applestar said: They live in blue states. You need moderate white women in swing states to win the election. Most of them are aging, so they dgaf about abortion. Gen Z also doesn't vote. This was an opportunity to put up some new blood, and you're going to see Trump win in November because of this decision There are black people and women who live in swing states 2
Hikki Posted July 21 Posted July 21 Lmao the racist will never vote for a woman of color. The us is doom plz don't take down the whole world with your stupid country 6
Sannie Posted July 21 Posted July 21 (edited) 9 minutes ago, applestar said: They live in blue states. You need moderate white women in swing states to win the election. Most of them are aging, so they dgaf about abortion. Gen Z also doesn't vote. This was an opportunity to put up some new blood, and you're going to see Trump win in November because of this decision You know we have the data that doesn't support this, right? It is older women who are more connected to abortion than younger women because older women are the ones who once lived in a world where it was impossible to get a safe abortion. ROE v WADE was a monumental decision for them and seeing it overturned shot them back to a time when women were dying because they couldn't get safe abortions. Young women don't know what that is like so it's not as personal for them. Those moderate white women are the ones who get abortions lol. They're the ones who go quietly without telling anyone because they don't want to have another baby. They're the ones being most affected nowadays. Y'all continuing to underplay the abortion issue are being so silly. Edited July 21 by Sannie 1 1 1
GraceRandolph Posted July 21 Posted July 21 The easy solution to the Harris issue is selecting another nominee and keeping her on ticket as VP. 1 1
Vermillion Posted July 21 Posted July 21 8 minutes ago, applestar said: They live in blue states. You need moderate white women in swing states to win the election. Most of them are aging, so they dgaf about abortion. Gen Z also doesn't vote. This was an opportunity to put up some new blood, and you're going to see Trump win in November because of this decision Biden wouldn't have won in 2020 without black voters in Atlanta, Detroit, Milwaukee and Philadelphia. I'm trying to give you some leeway here and say that you need both groups of voters which I suppose is true but please and I don't mean this disrespectfully don't bother to speak if it's going to be this wildly out of touch.
WildAmerican Posted July 21 Posted July 21 Good of her to say that she'll "earn" the nomination, that's how it should be it'll be her obvs, but there needs to be a process. it'll be a short process tho ddd 2
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