Wonderland Posted July 21 Posted July 21 14 minutes ago, Vermillion said: I love how they were JUST saying Biden is an incompetent old man who can't do his job and suddenly they switch to THIS
wastedpotential Posted July 21 Posted July 21 1 minute ago, GraceRandolph said: Yall just assuming it'll be Kamala. She's gonna face challenges at the convention. Anything is possible now. Sister you've been riding this point hard all week, but basically every fifteen minutes another of the elite Democrats (the ones who would mount the hypothetical convention challenge) comes out in support of her, and there's been an immediate coalescence of support behind her. A viable challenge is seemingly getting less and less likely by the hour 5 5
Bamboo Posted July 21 Posted July 21 I feel like "the democrats are pulling a bait and switch on the ballot!! You all voted for Biden and now they're lying to you!!" argument is so weak He's the incumbent, the primary for incumbent has not mattered at any time in recent history. Most people just assume the incumbent is going to be the candidate and don't even think about there being a primary that year. And even so, they did vote for the candidate. They voted for Harris doing exactly what she is doing, taking over for a president who can no long perform his duties. 5
suburbannature Posted July 21 Posted July 21 5 minutes ago, GraceRandolph said: Yall just assuming it'll be Kamala. She's gonna face challenges at the convention. Anything is possible now. girl 4
GraceRandolph Posted July 21 Posted July 21 Just now, Bamboo said: I feel like "the democrats are pulling a bait and switch on the ballot!! You all voted for Biden and now they're lying to you!!" argument is so weak He's the incumbent, the primary for incumbent has not mattered at any time in recent history. Most people just assume the incumbent is going to be the candidate and don't even think about there being a primary that year. And even so, they did vote for the candidate. They voted for Harris doing exactly what she is doing, taking over for a president who can no long perform his duties. Huh? Harris is VP, we're looking for a new NOMINEE, and we need to hear all voices make their case that they are the best bet against Trump. This whole anointing "it's their turn" bs from Dems is so played out. 1 2
ATRL Moderator khalyan Posted July 21 Author ATRL Moderator Posted July 21 It’s going to be Kamala. The optics of passing over the VP who happens to be a black woman for a white man would be awful. 10
GraceRandolph Posted July 21 Posted July 21 It makes no sense not to open the convention and really make it a Democratic process. The line of presidential succession is separate from who the nominee should be on the ballot in November. 1 6
GraceRandolph Posted July 21 Posted July 21 Just now, khalyan said: It's going to be Kamala. The optics of passing over the VP who happens to be a black woman for a white man would be awful. We don't need optics we need to win against Trump. 1 1
thesegayz Posted July 21 Posted July 21 Just now, GraceRandolph said: It makes no sense not to open the convention and really make it a Democratic process. The line of presidential succession is separate from who the nominee should be on the ballot in November. I never agree with this person, but this is the way Light your candles little Lori Lightfooters 2
Thickorita Posted July 21 Posted July 21 Biden took the weekend off, fired up a blunt, brought out a dildo and decided he's tired of this presidency bullshit 4
ATRL Moderator khalyan Posted July 21 Author ATRL Moderator Posted July 21 Just now, GraceRandolph said: We don't need optics we need to win against Trump. That’s why it’s an issue. Do you want to risk losing black voters and female voters who are typically the strongest Democratic loyalists just to get a few more fickle white male voters because you replaced Kamala? 4
GraceRandolph Posted July 21 Posted July 21 Just now, khalyan said: That's why it's an issue. Do you want to risk losing black voters and female voters who are typically the strongest Democratic loyalists just to get a few more fickle white male voters because you replaced Kamala? Black and female voters are not going to jump ship if delegates decide Kamala isn't the strongest candidate against Trump. It makes no sense to swap out Biden for someone almost as unpopular. If Kamala was so well liked by women and poc don't you think she would have a higher approval rating?
ATRL Moderator khalyan Posted July 21 Author ATRL Moderator Posted July 21 Just now, GhostBox said: me to everyone today 😂😂 Honestly this is my fave thing Biden has done
Vermillion Posted July 21 Posted July 21 4 minutes ago, GraceRandolph said: We don't need optics we need to win against Trump. Polling bears out that the latter may not happen without the former because base anger can affect down ballot candidates as well as low turnout voters 1
wastedpotential Posted July 21 Posted July 21 4 minutes ago, thesegayz said: I never agree with this person, but this is the way Light your candles little Lori Lightfooters Oh god I actually snorted Imagine
ClashAndBurn Posted July 21 Posted July 21 4 minutes ago, GraceRandolph said: We don't need optics we need to win against Trump. Winning against Trump isn't really the path we're looking down right now. That would have required Biden stepping aside a year ago and allowing for a process to play out. Swapping Biden out for whomever now is more about stemming the bleeding and not losing too many House and Senate races.
GraceRandolph Posted July 21 Posted July 21 A Newsom/Harris ticket is looking more and more appealing to me.
WildAmerican Posted July 21 Posted July 21 5 minutes ago, GraceRandolph said: It makes no sense not to open the convention and really make it a Democratic process. The line of presidential succession is separate from who the nominee should be on the ballot in November. legally anyone can jump in now and try to earn delegates' votes. it is an open process. 1
ATRL Moderator khalyan Posted July 21 Author ATRL Moderator Posted July 21 1 minute ago, GraceRandolph said: Black and female voters are not going to jump ship if delegates decide Kamala isn't the strongest candidate against Trump. It makes no sense to swap out Biden for someone almost as unpopular. If Kamala was so well liked by women and poc don't you think she would have a higher approval rating? They easily could sit out of the election if they feel their voice has been passed over. There is no other Democrat that has a drastically higher chance of winning in November that would be worth the risk. 1
GhostBox Posted July 21 Posted July 21 (edited) 2 minutes ago, GraceRandolph said: Black and female voters are not going to jump ship if delegates decide Kamala isn't the strongest candidate against Trump. It makes no sense to swap out Biden for someone almost as unpopular. If Kamala was so well liked by women and poc don't you think she would have a higher approval rating? We get it you like Wiliamson. But stop man. It's got to be Kamala. Joint the Kamala bus now while ya can Edited July 21 by GhostBox 1
ATRL Moderator Azulito Posted July 21 ATRL Moderator Posted July 21 27 minutes ago, Vermillion said: There is reporting on internal polling on this exact prospect and the risks of it still being too high. I'm not playing devils advocate. I'm just the messenger… 20 minutes ago, Gottasadae said: It's very risky, especially knowing how many misogynists in America, there should be a man as VP High risk, high reward I really don't think anyone refusing to vote for a woman is going to change their mind if she chooses a man for VP. Any votes going to Trump because of an all-woman ticket would be offset (and outnumbered imo) by the enthusiasm from Democrats.
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