GhostBox Posted July 13 Posted July 13 23 minutes ago, Achilles. said: The comeback kid narrative is about to start writing itself. If only he had this energy at the debate 💀 he would probably be 2-3 points ahead
teresaguidice Posted July 13 Posted July 13 doomer'd but i really don't think getting him out is possible at this point. if a coup was going to happen, it would have happened already. these calls for him to drop as just sanctioned "distancing." his campaign's plan to run the clock is working because, as always, democrats are complete cowards who will never do the hard thing and only ever act out of self-interest. at this point, the puppet masters wheeling him around need to just do as much as they can to try to push through whatever minor protections they can against the damage trump will inevitably inflict because i genuinely do not think there is a single thing the biden campaign could do to win now, including "energized" stump speeches no one will watch. you just cannot force turnout for a candidate people think is senile against a boogeyman who you already said would end democracy the first time. 1
GraceRandolph Posted July 13 Posted July 13 Biden must realize his political career is over either way right? Either he loses or steps out of the race. 1
Sergi91 Posted July 13 Posted July 13 9 hours ago, Vermillion said: I knew they were going to do this…. Bunch of clowns! 1
Sergi91 Posted July 13 Posted July 13 I also want Biden to step aside and allow someone else younger to take on trump, WHO IS THE REAL ENEMY. This is the way to unified the party. This is the way to put our country first. 1
Blade Posted July 13 Posted July 13 The amount of times I've heard people say "pulling a Biden" or "Bidenitis" just this weekend These random high school gym rallies are not establishing the "comeback" story to regular voters. Sure the Biden bros and politically in-tune voters can see it. But that's not who he needs to convince. This "comeback" is only helping Biden STAY in the race. Nothing, absolutely nothing, is helping him win. The landslide is coming in November unless Obama and Pelosi do the sensible thing and tell him straight up to step the **** down. 1 2
Vroom Vroom Posted July 13 Posted July 13 Biden can definitely win. US politics is so partisan that either of the 2 major parties can win no matter who the candidates are. The thing I find the most concerning is that a Trump-Biden election is going to have horrendous turn out and will hurt Dems in the house and senate. Which would lead to a Republican filibuster proof majority and presidency in 2028. It would be ideal if the Dems had a candidate that could clearly sell their message and lift the whole party. Which is Biden's greatest weakness 1
GhostBox Posted July 13 Posted July 13 (edited) Biden did a pretty great job at communicating the threat Trump poses tonight. He really hit the project 2025 stuff hard FINALLY! it was a great rally and speech. But….he still struggles a little bit when he goes off the cuff. Which does come off awkward. as someone else stated it's just we are always on our toes waiting for that misstep. Even if one doesnt come. That's sadly the environment Biden's in now. Even the smallest thing will get amplified. Edited July 13 by GhostBox
GraceRandolph Posted July 13 Posted July 13 5 minutes ago, Vroom Vroom said: Biden can definitely win. US politics is so partisan that either of the 2 major parties can win no matter who the candidates are. The thing I find the most concerning is that a Trump-Biden election is going to have horrendous turn out and will hurt Dems in the house and senate. Which would lead to a Republican filibuster proof majority and presidency in 2028. It would be ideal if the Dems had a candidate that could clearly sell their message and lift the whole party. Which is Biden's greatest weakness Biden won by 45k votes in key swing states in 2020. Now his approval rating is 15 points lower and his approval with every Dem constituency is down. He's behind in the polls in a way no Dem candidate has been in almost a quarter century. Districts that he won overwhelmingly in 2020 are looking like they are up for grabs. He really doesn't have a way to turn this around if he can hardly deliver a presser without at least a couple major gaffes. 3 1
bunnyeyes Posted July 13 Posted July 13 I'm starting to think some dems don't care about the threat trump poses and it's just a fundraising line to them. 1
ClashAndBurn Posted July 13 Posted July 13 1 hour ago, Sergi91 said: I also want Biden to step aside and allow someone else younger to take on trump, WHO IS THE REAL ENEMY. This is the way to unified the party. This is the way to put our country first. What you're calling for (unifying behind a man who can NOT win independents) is the very definition of putting "party over country." Only you can't see it.
Vroom Vroom Posted July 13 Posted July 13 48 minutes ago, GraceRandolph said: Biden won by 45k votes in key swing states in 2020. Now his approval rating is 15 points lower and his approval with every Dem constituency is down. He's behind in the polls in a way no Dem candidate has been in almost a quarter century. Districts that he won overwhelmingly in 2020 are looking like they are up for grabs. He really doesn't have a way to turn this around if he can hardly deliver a presser without at least a couple major gaffes. I'm aware of the current data and you should be aware that polls are a snap shot in time. Even now he still is within the margin of error in the states that he needs. Approval ratings are pretty irrelevant when he is running against someone who is as or more unpopular. Biden CAN win, but barely winning is not good enough. I would prefer a different candidate that can deliver the presidency, House and keep the Senate. Biden can also easily lose. But we really don't know what's going to happen. So everyone brazenly saying he would definitely lose does not make sense. Everyone and their mother said Hillary was going to win and then that did not happen 2
GraceRandolph Posted July 13 Posted July 13 3 minutes ago, Vroom Vroom said: I'm aware of the current data and you should be aware that polls are a snap shot in time. Even now he still is within the margin of error in the states that he needs. Approval ratings are pretty irrelevant when he is running against someone who is as or more unpopular. Biden CAN win, but barely winning is not good enough. I would prefer a different candidate that can deliver the presidency, House and keep the Senate. Biden can also easily lose. But we really don't know what's going to happen. So everyone brazenly saying he would definitely lose does not make sense. Everyone and their mother said Hillary was going to win and then that did not happen Biden is MORE unpopular than Trump, and his approval rating and views in his cognitive abilities were poor BEFORE the debate. Now it's a baked in reality that will be used in campaign ads for months, reinforcing among low info voters and swing state voters that he's senile. Biden has been outspending Trump in swing state ads and he's STILL behind. Polls are snapshots, but Biden hasn't proven he can shake up the race in any way.
Harrier Posted July 13 Posted July 13 Biden should think about the fact that losing to Trump in a landslide will make him the most hated outgoing president since GWB. And certainly the most hated democrat since Carter. While I am not her biggest fan to say the least, Hillary's loss to Trump was both a shock and arguably a bit of a fluke on Trump's part. Biden has none of that plausible deniability. Every possible metric has had him losing for months. Trump in 2024 is a far weaker candidate than Trump in 2016, between his cognitive decline, his chaotic presidency, the insurrection and the conviction. Every democratic voter sans the most delusional blue maga are going to absolutely revile Biden for facilitating Trumps return to office, and for the humiliating loss. I can see his approval numbers dropping below 20. Maybe the man who cares so much about legacy should think about that ! 1 4
ClashAndBurn Posted July 13 Posted July 13 1 hour ago, Harrier said: Biden should think about the fact that losing to Trump in a landslide will make him the most hated outgoing president since GWB. And certainly the most hated democrat since Carter. While I am not her biggest fan to say the least, Hillary's loss to Trump was both a shock and arguably a bit of a fluke on Trump's part. Biden has none of that plausible deniability. Every possible metric has had him losing for months. Trump in 2024 is a far weaker candidate than Trump in 2016, between his cognitive decline, his chaotic presidency, the insurrection and the conviction. Every democratic voter sans the most delusional blue maga are going to absolutely revile Biden for facilitating Trumps return to office, and for the humiliating loss. I can see his approval numbers dropping below 20. Maybe the man who cares so much about legacy should think about that ! Carter isn't even hated to the degree Biden would be. His work with Habitat for Humanity has rehabilitated his image massively. Biden… doesn't have the luxury of time to fix his legacy in the even he hands over the presidency back to Trump. 1
Harrier Posted July 13 Posted July 13 33 minutes ago, ClashAndBurn said: Carter isn't even hated to the degree Biden would be. His work with Habitat for Humanity has rehabilitated his image massively. Biden… doesn't have the luxury of time to fix his legacy in the even he hands over the presidency back to Trump. 100% agree, Carter has rehabilitated his image - I just meant in the immediate years following his presidency. Biden wont have that luxury due to his age, he'll probably be dead within 5 years
Vroom Vroom Posted July 13 Posted July 13 7 hours ago, GraceRandolph said: Biden is MORE unpopular than Trump, and his approval rating and views in his cognitive abilities were poor BEFORE the debate. Now it's a baked in reality that will be used in campaign ads for months, reinforcing among low info voters and swing state voters that he's senile. Biden has been outspending Trump in swing state ads and he's STILL behind. Polls are snapshots, but Biden hasn't proven he can shake up the race in any way. People focus too much on the personal characteristics of the candidates. The incumbent party is judged by how they governed. Do you truly believe that Biden's poll numbers and approval rating are because of how he speaks in public? Kamala can speak in full sentences and her approval rating is worse than Biden's. Congress's approval rating is worse than Biden's If your fav Marianne won the Democrat nomination, she would be viewed first as a Democrat. She exists in the context and how Biden governed the past 4 years will be the most important factor of any democrats chances on winning the White House
shyboi Posted July 13 Posted July 13 Is Biden lowkey having a political renaissance right now? he seems focused and more coherent 2
Eat The Acid Posted July 13 Posted July 13 (edited) 9 minutes ago, shyboi said: Is Biden lowkey having a political renaissance right now? he seems focused and more coherent It's impossible! The backlash is too severe. The party have publicly revolted. No matter what happens from here on out - Biden will not win in November. Also one speech where he doesn't have a gaffe won't fix the mess of what happens. It's over. Everybody needs to just accept that regardless of if he stays in or not - Biden will not be the president in January. Edited July 13 by Eat The Acid 2 3 1
shyboi Posted July 13 Posted July 13 9 minutes ago, Eat The Acid said: It's impossible! The backlash is too severe. The party have publicly revolted. No matter what happens from here on out - Biden will not win in November. Also one speech where he doesn't have a gaffe won't fix the mess of what happens. It's over. Everybody needs to just accept that regardless of if he stays in or not - Biden will not be the president in January. I guess our expectations are very low an when he's not doing abysmally bad he seems emmm, decent
Harrier Posted July 13 Posted July 13 56 minutes ago, Vroom Vroom said: People focus too much on the personal characteristics of the candidates. The incumbent party is judged by how they governed. Do you truly believe that Biden's poll numbers and approval rating are because of how he speaks in public? Kamala can speak in full sentences and her approval rating is worse than Biden's. Congress's approval rating is worse than Biden's If your fav Marianne won the Democrat nomination, she would be viewed first as a Democrat. She exists in the context and how Biden governed the past 4 years will be the most important factor of any democrats chances on winning the White House Oh? Does she now? 3
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