GhostBox Posted July 6 Posted July 6 2 hours ago, Taylena said: Biden still a racist too. Says the trump supporter 😂 2
GhostBox Posted July 6 Posted July 6 (edited) 20 minutes ago, Tovitov said: Your choice of which Twitter user you shared is very telling I'm pretty sure this user is one of only a few Trump supporters on this forum 😂 Edited July 6 by GhostBox 1 1
GhostBox Posted July 6 Posted July 6 Again Harris is already being scrutinized and she isnt even the nominee yet 😂 Democrats are always in a lose lose situation with the media
shelven Posted July 6 Posted July 6 Biden's campaign and the pro-Biden camp is going to keep cherrypicking individual polls as proof that he's not actually doing that bad, while ignoring the polling averages that very much suggest he is. Like there's a reason polling aggregators like 538, Economist, RCP, Silver's new side venture, etc. exist. I have problems with some of those specific models, but the underlying rationale that polling averages are significantly more likely to be accurate than individual polls is incredibly well-established and something people learn in a high school statistics course If individual cherrypicked polls were the way to go, then the Democrats should have been completely wiped out in both chambers in 2022, but the polling averages correctly picked up on the fact that both chambers were actually very close. I just don't get the point of using polls as a comfort blanket instead of as a neutral assessment of where the race is. Campaign teams should be grateful that there are tools out there that can give them a pretty good picture of where the race is, not ignoring the parts they don't like so that they can tell themselves and everyone else that they're doing amazingly sweetie 2 2 1
Taylena Posted July 6 Posted July 6 28 minutes ago, GhostBox said: Says the trump supporter 😂 28 minutes ago, GhostBox said: I'm pretty sure this user is one of only a few Trump supporters on this forum 😂 Blue MAGA cult diehards are really losing it, huh? 2 1
shelven Posted July 6 Posted July 6 15 minutes ago, Blade said: Pretty much the exact analysis I posted in here a day or two ago. I knew Elliott was always the best electoral data nerd But yeah it's as simple as this. The reason why it's worth replacing Biden is because the range of possible outcomes is bigger, which is what you want if the current range of outcomes suggest you're going to lose. Everything left of "even" is irrelevant because a close loss and a blowout loss have the same impact. So you've got to go with who looks better on the right of "even", which is clearly Harris (or some other non-Biden candidate other than Newsom) at this point. 1 1
Illuminati Posted July 6 Posted July 6 7 minutes ago, Blade said: Can these Kamala ijpolls be trusted
GhostBox Posted July 6 Posted July 6 the media is already starting on her. again this isnt even about Biden anymore. the media wants Trump! 1
ClashAndBurn Posted July 6 Posted July 6 The Hill and New York Post are conservative leaning publications, so…. They're going to try to push anyone out when there's weakness. And Biden-Harris are both exceedingly weak. Biden of course being moreso since he can't speak, can't do interviews, has a doddering walk, etc. 1
shelven Posted July 6 Posted July 6 5 minutes ago, ClashAndBurn said: The Hill and New York Post are conservative leaning publications, so…. They're going to try to push anyone out when there's weakness. And Biden-Harris are both exceedingly weak. Biden of course being moreso since he can't speak, can't do interviews, has a doddering walk, etc. Yeah, if Harris were to become the nominee, I don't see hit jobs against her sticking in remotely the same way they're sticking with Biden right now. You'll get a few isolated articles about it here and there, and right-leaning publications will do what they do, but everyone else will cool it. The part that the pro-Biden camp doesn't want to admit is that the reason why this dogpile against Biden is sticking so well is because it's based on observable truth. The media isn't actively convincing voters to believe something new about Biden; the voters were already convinced because they can see it themselves, and the media is just reminding them of it. 1
ClashAndBurn Posted July 6 Posted July 6 15 minutes ago, shelven said: Yeah, if Harris were to become the nominee, I don't see hit jobs against her sticking in remotely the same way they're sticking with Biden right now. You'll get a few isolated articles about it here and there, and right-leaning publications will do what they do, but everyone else will cool it. The part that the pro-Biden camp doesn't want to admit is that the reason why this dogpile against Biden is sticking so well is because it's based on observable truth. The media isn't actively convincing voters to believe something new about Biden; the voters were already convinced because they can see it themselves, and the media is just reminding them of it. What's wild is Blue MAGA basically admitting they don't want their candidates to be scrutinized at all. Fairly or unfairly. If Kamala can't withstand scrutiny, she's unfit to be president. The problem for Kamala is that she was chosen by Biden for DEI reasons, so the attacks do land for her among people for whom DEI is a bad thing. That's not to say she didn't deserve it. She did as much as the other Veepstakes participants did. But Biden himself put her in that position when he committed to picking a black woman as a thank you to Jim Clyburn just like his nomination of Ketanji Brown Jackson. So with both, people can diminish their achievements and say they only advanced because of skin color rather than merit because of Biden. Doesn't mean anything if you aren't a racist, but a good half of this country still is, and many have a deep-seated resentment of black people that they simply don't want to admit. Which is all just to say that Biden has poisoned the well not only for himself but also for his chosen successor. And it didn't have to be that way. But Biden is an old codger that thinks that we live in a post-racial society because Obama got elected, and he's the Obama guy, so he thinks of himself as a savior that helped end racism. Just like he thinks he's a God-chosen savior to deliver America from Trump.
Communion Posted July 6 Posted July 6 49 minutes ago, GhostBox said: the media is already starting on her. again this isnt even about Biden anymore. the media wants Trump! You're being obnoxious by purposefully not understanding the criticsms. Linking to right-wing rags doesn't address that Biden has lost credibility amongst the Democratic base and young voters. If Kamala is going to be criticized by the actual people calling for Biden to step aside, it certainly won't via racist dogwhistles like deeming her a "DEI candidate". Obfuscation is not an argument. 1 1
19SLAYty9 Posted July 6 Posted July 6 Part of me wonders if the reason Kamala has been given nothing of substance is joes team has been aware of his issues from the beginning and didn't want Kamala to become a threat
ClashAndBurn Posted July 6 Posted July 6 2 minutes ago, Eat The Acid said: Ok - what does this mean? It means he knows he's going to be asked more questions about Biden's age that he doesn't want to answer. He's still going to back Biden to the end, but defending the indefensible is becoming vastly untenable. 1
GhostBox Posted July 6 Posted July 6 2 minutes ago, Blade said: Again these anonymous quotes are stupid and doenst move any needle. Come out and say it or don't. 😂
Blade Posted July 6 Posted July 6 Just now, GhostBox said: Again these anonymous quotes are stupid and doenst move any needle. Come out and say it or don't. 😂 Oh that'll come on Monday pookie 1 1
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