ZeroSuitBritney Posted July 4 Posted July 4 1 minute ago, on the line said: Are you 12? Did you not see how 2016 played out? We live in a 2-party country. It is what it is and trashing the (current) democratic nominee is doing any of us any favors. Welcome to reality. babe you really wanna talk about 2016? How the DNC propped up an incredibly unpopular candidate? We literally would not be in the situation we are in right now had 2016 played out how it should've. The Democratic Party worked OVERTIME to make sure a certain candidate (who was far more beloved that Hillary and progressive policies were agreed on by a majority of Americans) was not their candidate, even when that person had double the chance of beating Trump than HRC. instead, the party gaslight the Democratic base that a basic centrist Democrat who would not benefit their lives in the least was the best choice for the job. Sound familiar? It's where we are at AGAIN. Your anger is directed at the wrong people. The sooner you and others who like to blame "radicals" for everything rather than the very obvious culprit, the more you will be at peace. but idk, you seem to far the blue MAGA hole to see the truth. How sad. 3 1
byzantium Posted July 4 Posted July 4 4 minutes ago, on the line said: Some of you need to put the poppers down and remember 4 years ago trashing Kamala when she was picked to be VP and labeled her a war-criminal amongst other derogatory names. Now she's our savior?! I want all the things you want, but I, apparently, matured enough to see things for how they are and understand how the game is played. Some of you are still stuck in your Bernie-Bro brainfried mindsets to put it politely. Giving me vibes of the free Palestine protests that recently happened where they occupied and destroyed a library for low-income university students. ******* embarrassing. You don't want the same things though. You just want to lash out and call everyone who disagrees with you immature. Some of us actually understand how elections work. We actually watched the debate. We have been going into the cross tabs on polls. And Biden is not winning. We would rather have a chance with someone else than no chance with Biden. Biden is behind right now. Do you seriously think this man is going to be able to convince the undecided American voters that he is the person with the right judgement to lead this country? 3
on the line Posted July 4 Posted July 4 5 minutes ago, ZeroSuitBritney said: babe you really wanna talk about 2016? How the DNC propped up an incredibly unpopular candidate? We literally would not be in the situation we are in right now had 2016 played out how it should've. The Democratic Party worked OVERTIME to make sure a certain candidate (who was far more beloved that Hillary and progressive policies were agreed on by a majority of Americans) was not their candidate, even when that person had double the chance of beating Trump than HRC. instead, the party gaslight the Democratic base that a basic centrist Democrat who would not benefit their lives in the least was the best choice for the job. Sound familiar? It's where we are at AGAIN. Your anger is directed at the wrong people. The sooner you and others who like to blame "radicals" for everything rather than the very obvious culprit, the more you will be at peace. but idk, you seem to far the blue MAGA hole to see the truth. How sad. I'm "blue maga" bc I'm not yet supporting a candidate that doesn't exist? Lmao. Okay then.
dman4life Posted July 4 Posted July 4 It's so frustrating watching the media sink their teeth into Biden's debate performance while ignoring everything problematic about Trump. I fully blame Biden and his team for this they had no business putting him out there knowing he couldn't string a sentence together. They definitely aren't ignorant to how the media works so they have nobody to blame but themselves for how the media coverage is going. 1
on the line Posted July 4 Posted July 4 3 minutes ago, byzantium said: You don't want the same things though. You just want to lash out and call everyone who disagrees with you immature. Some of us actually understand how elections work. We actually watched the debate. We have been going into the cross tabs on polls. And Biden is not winning. We would rather have a chance with someone else than no chance with Biden. Biden is behind right now. Do you seriously think this man is going to be able to convince the undecided American voters that he is the person with the right judgement to lead this country? I'm so glad there's someone on the internet to tell me my beliefs. Phew!! I'm just being realistic that I do not expect Biden or the DNC to do the right thing and get rid of him, and thus trashing Biden endlessly will do more harm than good. I don't want him as president either.
byzantium Posted July 4 Posted July 4 1 minute ago, dman4life said: It's so frustrating watching the media sink their teeth into Biden's debate performance while ignoring everything problematic about Trump. I fully blame Biden and his team for this they had no business putting him out there knowing he couldn't string a sentence together. They definitely aren't ignorant to how the media works so they have nobody to blame but themselves for how the media coverage is going. The American people do not think Trump is qualified to be president. The issue is, the American people don't think Biden is qualified to be president either. The media is focusing on Biden's fitness because the American people are focusing on his fitness, just like how the American people focused on trump's criminal trials. The Democrats only have themselves to blame for running someone who is incapable of highlighting Trump's weaknesses because their candidate has similar weaknesses.
byzantium Posted July 4 Posted July 4 1 minute ago, on the line said: I'm so glad there's someone on the internet to tell me my beliefs. Phew!! I'm just being realistic that I do not expect Biden or the DNC to do the right thing and get rid of him, and thus trashing Biden endlessly will do more harm than good. I don't want him as president either. I don't think we have to worry about Biden winning again. And that's the point. I would rather have a chance at winning with someone else than lose with Biden. At this points it's not "realistic" to keep Biden as the candidate if you want to avoid a Trump presidency because right now, Minnesota and New Mexico are swing states. It has not gotten any better in the last 6 months and there is no indication of it changing in the next 5 months.
on the line Posted July 4 Posted July 4 3 minutes ago, byzantium said: The American people do not think Trump is qualified to be president. The issue is, the American people don't think Biden is qualified to be president either. The media is focusing on Biden's fitness because the American people are focusing on his fitness, just like how the American people focused on trump's criminal trials. The Democrats only have themselves to blame for running someone who is incapable of highlighting Trump's weaknesses because their candidate has similar weaknesses. You're in too much of an echo chamber if you really believe half(?) Of Americans aren't clamoring to vote for Trump and think he is more than capable to lead. Dude is a rapist and pedophile, and people are foaming at the mouth waiting to vote for him again. Divisions in parties lead to failed votes and elections. It's why 99.98% of Republicans hold their breathes and vote for him while privately being repulsed. It worked very, VERY well for them. See the Supreme Court.
dman4life Posted July 4 Posted July 4 2 minutes ago, byzantium said: The American people do not think Trump is qualified to be president. The issue is, the American people don't think Biden is qualified to be president either. The media is focusing on Biden's fitness because the American people are focusing on his fitness, just like how the American people focused on trump's criminal trials. The Democrats only have themselves to blame for running someone who is incapable of highlighting Trump's weaknesses because their candidate has similar weaknesses. Yes and watching Biden's aides and surrogates lie and make excuses for the performance is such a gaslight and is making the situation worse. The reality is if it was just a "bad night" Biden could've easily neutralized the negative coverage by showing up the very next day to do a press conference or something similar. The reality is he can't. The cover up is getting to be worse than the crime here.
Redstreak Posted July 4 Posted July 4 1 hour ago, Chemist said: not that cover I don't think the Biden administration understands that outside of him doing backflips on live tv this isn't going to go away 2 1
Achilles. Posted July 4 Posted July 4 The fact that the White House thinks a 15 minute pre-recorded softball interview is going to be anywhere near enough to improve things at all is just proof of how out of touch and incompetent they are.
byzantium Posted July 4 Posted July 4 (edited) 11 minutes ago, on the line said: You're in too much of an echo chamber if you really believe half(?) Of Americans aren't clamoring to vote for Trump and think he is more than capable to lead. Dude is a rapist and pedophile, and people are foaming at the mouth waiting to vote for him again. Divisions in parties lead to failed votes and elections. It's why 99.98% of Republicans hold their breathes and vote for him while privately being repulsed. It worked very, VERY well for them. See the Supreme Court. I live in WI. I can rattle off 5 cousins, 3 neighbors, and 2 friends who are Trump supporters. I can assure you I do not live in a political bubble here. But I can also tell you that Trump supporters currently are and have always been a minority of voters. Trump is struggling in the polls, had historically low approval ratings, and never once won the popular vote. My state currently on track to re-elect a pretty liberal, openly gay senator. Trump supporters are not the majority. The real question is why Dems are running candidates that struggle to build a coalition capable of beating a weak candidate. Edited July 4 by byzantium
Vermillion Posted July 4 Posted July 4 Not Rick Scott! Does that count as a relief? I'll take anything at this point. 1
ATRL Moderator Bloo Posted July 4 ATRL Moderator Posted July 4 34 minutes ago, dman4life said: It's so frustrating watching the media sink their teeth into Biden's debate performance while ignoring everything problematic about Trump. Donald Trump lying isn’t a new news story. We’ve been conditioned to accepting it as a regular thing because he’s the most over exposed presidential candidate in history and he has a penchant for lying. Joe Biden struggling to form sentences after us being told he was “sharper than ever” is a news story. It’s more novel to talk about. I’m happy to flame the mainstream media. But it isn’t their job to prevent Trump from getting elected. 2 2
ATRL Moderator Bloo Posted July 4 ATRL Moderator Posted July 4 To eliminate the media talk about Biden’s fitness, all he has to do is give a good performance in a live setting. That’s it. In case you forgot, Hillary Clinton had a moment in 2016 where Republicans tried to convince voters that her “brain [was] melting”. This was when she collapsed heading back from the 9/11 memorial. There was a lot of chatter about whether Clinton was physically and mentally able to serve. She went to the next debates and spoke sharply and at length in the standard way you’d expect her to speak. That completely diffused the conversations of concern regarding her health because people could see she was fine. Biden can do that. But, his campaign is refusing to put him in such a setting because they know he cannot do that. 1
bunnyeyes Posted July 4 Posted July 4 It is really ****** up that the media is focusing on Biden's terrible performance and not the literal rapist but also that's why the Biden campaign should not have lied so heavily because the media would obviously fan the flames after being exposed
Communion Posted July 4 Posted July 4 1 hour ago, on the line said: how 2016 played out? 1 hour ago, on the line said: Bernie-Bro brainfried You're out of your depth and you're embarrassing yourself. This hoity-toity, uppity liberal posturing isn't convincing to anyone. You look like a caricature right now. Your worldview has failed. Your idols have fallen. Joe Biden is pissing himself on stage. Your vision of the future ended up wrong. 5
bunnyeyes Posted July 4 Posted July 4 (edited) Lost what little faith I had in this administration and of course their plan is to pander to the right on social/rights policies to distract. Corrupt corrupt corrupt. Edited July 4 by bunnyeyes 1
Eat The Acid Posted July 4 Posted July 4 1 hour ago, on the line said: Some of you need to put the poppers down and remember 4 years ago trashing Kamala when she was picked to be VP and labeled her a war-criminal amongst other derogatory names. Now she's our savior?! I want all the things you want, but I, apparently, matured enough to see things for how they are and understand how the game is played. Some of you are still stuck in your Bernie-Bro brainfried mindsets to put it politely. Giving me vibes of the free Palestine protests that recently happened where they occupied and destroyed a library for low-income university students. ******* embarrassing. Kamala is no one's saviour. People still feel the same way about her. She's a war hawk criminal. That's still true. We still feel that way. However, the situation is SO bad right now with a demented man a year away from death that can barely put a sentence together and a fascist convicted felon, that by COMPARISON ONLY, we will hold our noses and TURN OUT for Kamala. That's how bad it's got. 2
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