news 2024 US Election Megathread 🇺🇸🏛️

[Lil Mxnster]

 

 

"We'll be the ones eating the cats and the dogs." 

 

[Chemist]

More immediate effects of tariffs

[CandyCoatedClouds]

The hands off protest had an estimated 5 million protestors yesterday.  That's wonderful (and will hopefully **** up all those Europeans who keep saying we aren't doing enough) sadly there weren't very many gen Z people out there. The people who will be most impacted by this administration. It was mostly Gen X and Boomers. Still it was nice to see people get up and do something. Hopefully the next protest on the 19th turns out just as successfully.

[on the line]

14 minutes ago, CandyCoatedClouds said:

The hands off protest had an estimated 5 million protestors yesterday.  That's wonderful (and will hopefully **** up all those Europeans who keep saying we aren't doing enough) sadly there weren't very many gen Z people out there. The people who will be most impacted by this administration. It was mostly Gen X and Boomers. Still it was nice to see people get up and do something. Hopefully the next protest on the 19th turns out just as successfully.

Gen Z continues to be a disappointment.

 

Loved seeing all the protest pics and videos in my feed today, but unfortunately I had a work event so couldn't join. Hoping some of the biggest critics of the Dems on ATRL put their money where their finger mouths are and participated (though judging on the comments it looks like most remained in their lairs).

[lyk251]

1 hour ago, CandyCoatedClouds said:

The hands off protest had an estimated 5 million protestors yesterday.  That's wonderful (and will hopefully **** up all those Europeans who keep saying we aren't doing enough) sadly there weren't very many gen Z people out there. The people who will be most impacted by this administration. It was mostly Gen X and Boomers. Still it was nice to see people get up and do something. Hopefully the next protest on the 19th turns out just as successfully.

I'm not Europeans but i still say it is not enough unless the number of protestors higher than the number of kamala voters .

[19SLAYty9]

Hopefully the tik tok ban goes in effect shortly before the mid terms 

[anti-bitch]

1 hour ago, CandyCoatedClouds said:

sadly there weren't very many gen Z people out there. The people who will be most impacted by this administration.

 

1 hour ago, on the line said:

Gen Z continues to be a disappointment.

 

16 minutes ago, 19SLAYty9 said:

Hopefully the tik tok ban goes in effect shortly before the mid terms 

But Gen Z (especially women) still voted for Kamala more than older generations. So Idk where this narrative of them being disappointing comes from? You could say that about every generation then.

 

https://www.thecivicscenter.org/blog/youth-voting-in-2024-election

[Communion]

1 hour ago, CandyCoatedClouds said:

The hands off protest had an estimated 5 million protestors yesterday.  That's wonderful (and will hopefully **** up all those Europeans who keep saying we aren't doing enough) sadly there weren't very many gen Z people out there. The people who will be most impacted by this administration. It was mostly Gen X and Boomers. Still it was nice to see people get up and do something. Hopefully the next protest on the 19th turns out just as successfully.

 

1 hour ago, on the line said:

Gen Z continues to be a disappointment.

 

Loved seeing all the protest pics and videos in my feed today, but unfortunately I had a work event so couldn't join. Hoping some of the biggest critics of the Dems on ATRL put their money where their finger mouths are and participated (though judging on the comments it looks like most remained in their lairs).

They were probably at the protests not organized by cut-out groups silent on genocide!

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[on the line]

9 minutes ago, anti-***** said:

 

 

But Gen Z (especially women) still voted for Kamala more than older generations. So Idk where this narrative of them being disappointing comes from? You could say that about every generation then.

 

https://www.thecivicscenter.org/blog/youth-voting-in-2024-election

True, but isn't it also true that 1) less showed up to vote compared to previous elections and 2) they overall shifted to the right.

 

Neither trend gives me great hope for them. 

[superglowy]

11 hours ago, ClashAndBurn said:

 

None of whom I will ever in a million years vote for, by the way. I would honestly rather see Donald Trump as God King Emperor for life before EVER casting a vote for the IDF volunteer or the rapist mafioso. For all intents and purposes, Kamala Harris is actually the least bad option for 2028, and I despise the reality of that statement with every fiber of my being.

We're getting close to our first one boys and girl, the first "I voted Republican/Trump BECAUSE it's better for Democracy/Human Rights' "Leftist"

 

This statement alone shows why people in this thread do not take any of the progressives posting here even a tiny bit seriously. It's all about your ego and hubris. Every rant and essay and 'Edgelord teen' style quip is because the Democratic Party/base will not validate or succumb to your ego and narcissism that your beliefs and intentions are the only valid ones and the only correct ones.

 

You would rather Trump be a permanent dictator, despite the fact he is a convicted rapist intent on destroying Gaza while destroying all of the hard earned rights and policies of the working class than have Democrats (who yes, are also shitty, and yes, let's weed out all the genocide enablers) simply because you want the party that won't validate you to suffer, and **** anyone else it hurts/destroys.

 

Now let me clarify, I absolutely take the Leftist movement/progressives seriously and hope they do indeed integrate and steer the party going forward, and I do believe a lot of the posters I'm talking about have good intentions at their core, but some of you all are really starting to lose it and starting to let this all seep in and, like I said before, I'm really starting to worry about some of y'all's mental health.

[Communion]

8 minutes ago, superglowy said:

This statement alone shows why people in this thread do not take any of the progressives posting here even a tiny bit seriously. 

See, this reactionary anti-progressivism and compulsion to fit every circle into a square doesn't work with reality. 

 

Because we'll get tangents about whatever you're trying to talk about. 

 

But then the median centrist who hates progressives on ATRL is someone like that San Francisco user above you whose hatred of progressive users on here starts and stops at that one time they outed themselves as supporting "the forced institutionalization of homeless people" because "most homeless are junkies who choose to be homeless" and the general reaction from every other user was ".....?????". 

 

So invested in being part of some forum discourse but don't even know the lore!

Edited 18 hours ago by Communion

[anti-bitch]

18 hours ago, Communion said:

She shouldn't run for Governor of California. She shouldn't run for president in 2028.

 

I wanted to go back to this quote because don't you think the big city liberals in California would "deserve" to have Kamala as the governor? Lol. At least that way Dems would have to pick someone else for president nominee.

 

[superglowy]

1 minute ago, Communion said:

See, this reactionary anti-progressivism and compulsion to fit every circle into a square doesn't work with reality. 

 

Because we'll get tangents about whatever you're trying to talk about. 

 

But then the media centrist who hates progressives on ATRL is someone like that San Francisco user above you whose hatred of progressive users on here starts and stops at that one them they outed themselves as supporting "the forced institutionalization of homeless people" because "most homeless are junkies who choose to be homeless" and the general reaction from every other user was ".....?????". 

 

So invested in being part of some forum discourse but don't even know the lore!

If that's truly that Users position and that isn't you adding your usual hyperbole, then yeah, **** that guy.

 

How many times do I need to explain this to you that you do not dictate the 'rules' or barrier that 'justifies' whether someone is entitled to post here. Correct, I do not have a spreadsheet or folder of every conversation and comment cut out and scrapbooked like I imagine you do. Most people don't. Imagine commenting that you need to know the "lore" of an ATRL thread to post.
 

This is truly how I picture you preparing your responses.

 

[superglowy]

P.S. I'm not getting sucked into another one of your back and forths Communion. Whatever you say buddy, as long as you're happy etc.

[Armani.]

37 minutes ago, anti-***** said:

 

 

But Gen Z (especially women) still voted for Kamala more than older generations. So Idk where this narrative of them being disappointing comes from? You could say that about every generation then.

 

https://www.thecivicscenter.org/blog/youth-voting-in-2024-election

Not the link dragging AP Votecast

 

Whether Gen Z was 51% or 54% Kamala depends basically on what the White Male vote was, and all the sources are over the ******* place CCES just released their post survey with Gen Z White men at 58% Kamala but their entire poll is broken in general in both the main groups & other subgroups. I can't believe they released that

[on the line]

7 minutes ago, superglowy said:

If that's truly that Users position and that isn't you adding your usual hyperbole, then yeah, **** that guy.

 

How many times do I need to explain this to you that you do not dictate the 'rules' or barrier that 'justifies' whether someone is entitled to post here. Correct, I do not have a spreadsheet or folder of every conversation and comment cut out and scrapbooked like I imagine you do. Most people don't. Imagine commenting that you need to know the "lore" of an ATRL thread to post.
 

This is truly how I picture you preparing your responses.

 

It's gatekeeping again? Just put it on ignore and stop quoting it for all our sakes.

 

This is one (of many) reason most visitors ignore this thread like the plague while the other political threads show support for Dems.

[Communion]

13 minutes ago, superglowy said:

Correct, I do not have a spreadsheet or folder of every conversation and comment cut out and scrapbooked

You still don't get it. 

 

No one cares what individual users say. The point is that people's views are criticized for representing and being part of larger ideological cohorts within America. 

 

Why would I care if some gay affluent venture capitalist living in the most unequal city in the world is a horrible human being? I will thankfully never know or interact with this human in real life. I don't criticize them for personal moral failures. I criticize the greater ideological cohort that exists and their posts become examples of that cohort and what's wrong with said cohort and how we can then discuss why that cohort should be purged. The cohort of right wing tech bros who live in blue cities like SF and want to crush poor people. 

 

Because you don't experience living in America, nor are you familiar with the realities of America, this seemingly passes you by. That you think this is some personal issue and not an American simply dismissing other American users who represent overt cultural cohorts thar keep America conservative. 

 

Maybe you're trying to link ClashAndBurn's nihilism to some greater cohort, but your posts fail to ever do that and it just comes across as hand-wringing over someone so badly wanting to get in a word about why American progressivism is flawed while having no actual insights into Ameirca. 

Edited 18 hours ago by Communion

[superglowy]

10 minutes ago, on the line said:

gatekeeping again? Just put him on ignore and stop quoting for all our sakes.

 

This is one (of many) reason most visitors ignore this thread like the plague while the other political threads show support for Dems.

I probably should but I do actually like interacting with the progressive crew on this thread. It's not Communions positions or even his challenges that I mind, it's his intensity and gaslighting. Every other progressive poster is fun to interact with, he's just kinda nasty, but I do find a lot of his knowledge interesting.

 

That makes me sad but I truly believe that some users find this thread intimidating and toxic. Doesn't that say it all? Posters find the thought of interacting with a ATRL thread intimidating because of one or two posters?
 

Edited 18 hours ago by superglowy

[anti-bitch]

26 minutes ago, on the line said:

True, but isn't it also true that 1) less showed up to vote compared to previous elections and 2) they overall shifted to the right.

 

Neither trend gives me great hope for them. 

Big gender divide though (according to CBS exit polls.)
There was a wide split between young men and young women, with young men (18-29) being +2 Trump, and young women in the same age category being +24 for Harris. 

https://www.thecivicscenter.org/blog/youth-voting-in-2024-election

and yeah @Armani. the poll results vary, but probably safe to say there is a gender divide going.

 

But can it be fixed? Or do (straight) men fundamentally believe that progress and freedoms have gone "too far"? I hope not.

[superglowy]

2 minutes ago, anti-***** said:

Big gender divide though (according to CBS exit polls.)
There was a wide split between young men and young women, with young men (18-29) being +2 Trump, and young women in the same age category being +24 for Harris. 

https://www.thecivicscenter.org/blog/youth-voting-in-2024-election

and yeah @Armani. the poll results vary, but probably safe to say there is a gender divide going.

 

But can it be fixed? Or do (straight) men fundamentally believe that progress and freedoms have gone "too far"? I hope not.

Maybe this is generalising or offensive or whatever, but I don't think Straight Men are that complicated? I don't think they're super ideological and as soon as Trump/Republicans start damaging their actual lives, will start to swing back.

[Communion]

14 minutes ago, superglowy said:

P.S. I'm not getting sucked into another one of your back and forths Communion. Whatever you say buddy, as long as you're happy etc.

Sister, you quite literally only ever come into this thread to try and goad a reaction out of anyone who would entertain you and your hope of making some big declaration of why American progressivism is flawed. 

 

But because I remember you're Scottish or one of those ******* places, you'll claim it's some personal slight against you. But it's just me remembering I've written you off as a European radical centrist and that stereotype I have of you in my head informs how and if I should consider any arguments you make. 

 

You can post whatever you want. And everyone stereotypes one another. You stereotype me just now. There's just a weird festering anger in these kinds of posts that read as resentment that your stereotypes about progressives got debunked yet mine and others' stereotypes about liberals were vindicated. Like...Kamala lost, I was right! Why would I care if someone who screeched there was no way supporting genocide would harm her now thinks modern American progressivism is mental illness? You were wrong! Why would anyone even care about any post-election hot take?

[superglowy]

Just now, Communion said:

Sister, you quite literally only ever come into this thread to try and goad a reaction out of anyone who would entertain you and your hope of making some big declaration of why American progressivism is flawed. 

 

But because I remember you're Scottish or one of those ******* places, you'll claim it's some personal slight against you. But it's just me remembering I've written you off as a European radical centrist and that stereotype I have of you in my head informs how and if I should consider any arguments you make. 

 

You can post whatever you want. And everyone stereotypes one another. You stereotype me just now. There's just a weird festering anger in these kinds of posts that read as resentment that your stereotypes about progressives got debunked yet mine and others' stereotypes about liberals were vindicated. Like...Kamala lost, I was right! Why would I care if someone who screeched there was no way supporting genocide would harm her now thinks modern American progressivism is mental illness? You were wrong! Why would anyone even care about any post-election hot take?

Whatever you say buddy. As long as you're happy.

[Communion]

8 minutes ago, superglowy said:

Whatever you say buddy. As long as you're happy.

Sister, I'm on mobile, so I can't as easily bring up the 10+ users who have told you "then why are you even posting in this thread?" But you're proving their point with whatever this is. It's like you know you were wrong without wanting to admit you were wrong so anytime that's the point of contention, there's a fake non-chalance that suggests discussing any of this is silly and problematic and you're just here for casual, non-poltiical conveesation...in a politics thread. .

 

You know I love to tussle cause I'm a fire sign but I'd suggest your issue is not with me or my happiness but the double digits of other progressive users who don't find this shtick logical and straight up ask you why you've even posting then 

[anti-bitch]

4 minutes ago, superglowy said:

Maybe this is generalising or offensive or whatever, but I don't think Straight Men are that complicated? I don't think they're super ideological and as soon as Trump/Republicans start damaging their actual lives, will start to swing back.

Well yeah, the stock market crash will probably move the bros more than anything else. And it's gonna affect the main street as well with people losing jobs, perhaps the most in auto industry. Although the tariffs were supposed to have the opposite effect. Unless Trump backs down on it but it doesn't look so.

 

The stock bros are saying we should get some futures numbers tonight. Very curious to see what happens tomorrow.

 

 

[superglowy]

10 minutes ago, anti-***** said:

Well yeah, the stock market crash will probably move the bros more than anything else. And it's gonna affect the main street as well with people losing jobs, perhaps the most in auto industry. Although the tariffs were supposed to have the opposite effect. Unless Trump backs down on it but it doesn't look so.

 

The stock bros are saying we should get some futures numbers tonight. Very curious to see what happens tomorrow.

 

 

The Stock Market fiasco has been perversely fascinating to watch and it's morally conflicting to not want people to suffer but also wondering if this chain of events is necessary for Democrats to build towards a successful 2028. That, plus the schadenfreude of it all.