news 2024 US Election Megathread 🇺🇸🏛️

[Mike91]

Just now, Superbitch said:

I truly don't think he's well health wise. But JE Vance is not any better.

He's probably a lot easier to beat. 

[Delirious]

Just now, Vermillion said:

 

Literally forests for deforestation. How can people be this stupid. I get voting for Jill but TRUMP??? ******* TRUMP????

[Onyxmage]

Just now, scottstreet said:

I can't imagine what it feels like to be a gay person in the US right now. We truly are the most hated community on earth, i'm so disheartened and afraid to live knowing this is only getting worse… 

I feel like that too sometimes but then I realize that almost 60 million people voted for Kamala and I know that many people genuinely still care about defending LGBT rights.

[Vermillion]

Just now, scottstreet said:

I can't imagine what it feels like to be a gay person in the US right now. We truly are the most hated community on earth, i'm so disheartened and afraid to live knowing this is only getting worse… 

I mean, divide and conquer doesn't help atm, but I'd argue for trans folks it's 100x worse.

[Bethenny Frankel]

am truly sick with this country, will never be patriotic again

[GraceRandolph]

4 minutes ago, Bloo said:

I think it's also worth noting that Kamala Harris ran a campaign where she bragged about having a plan to build more of the border wall than Trump. Even on these issues that are stereotypically associated with Latino voters, the Democrats did not provide a salient policy alternative to Trump because they were pivoting to the right.

Yeah, nothing she said would've appealed to Latino voters in that town hall she did

[kwek_kwek]

Celebrity endorsements and rally enthusiasm do not translate to winning the election. America has the same fate with Philippines. Celebrities endorsed our female candidate and her rallies are always full but lost the election. 

[ClashAndBurn]

Just now, Onyxmage said:

You dont seem to understand. Trump literally uses the word Palestinian as a slur. He called Hamas smart. He will destroy the entire region and kill every single person in it with a smile on his face. At least with Kamala there might have been a chance for her to negotiate stricter terms with Netanyahu but i guess we'll never know. 

Nah, Kamala would not have done anything materially different from Biden or Trump. I stand by this. The performative criticism wouldn't halt the flow of 2,000 pound bunker buster bombs being dropped on children in Gaza and Beirut.

[anastaciabby]

1 minute ago, Jay07 said:

I'm not an expert by any means but this pandering to conservatives obviously wasn't the tea and in that respect, Kamala failed. Seeing how independents broke was eye opening. These people are deep in the sauce and you can't peel them away from Trump. You have to offer an alternative to excite liberals and progressives. A vision. It's shocking to see how deeply a certain demographic bought into Trump's hateful rhetoric but that can't be what America is. There have to be other people out there that just didn't bother. Either that or America truly is a deeply right wing country and there's no hope.

it's a deep right country let's be honest. The scapegoating a race: check, it's immigrants mostly Mexicans

the rise of white power groups: check

the misogyny that was pushed by SCOTUS when they abolished roe v wade: check

 

They voted for a dictator plain and simple. We can blame Kamala and I've hated the DNC for a long time, but it's not like they didn't run a good campaign, the people that were one issue voters didn't even vote for Stein, they simply didn't vote to stick it to the Dems or they voted Trump (someone here straight up said he was better for Palestine, it's a ducking joke)

[BeenTheShit]

6 minutes ago, Vermillion said:

Kamala had no position many believed her on….on anything. Her policy portfolio was an open book.

 

She flip-flopped on everything from immigration to fracking to Netanyahu.

 

Racism and misogyny played a big role that many progressives are too quick to dismiss but will be over relied upon by neolibs as the sole cause instead of addressing much more structural issues with the candidates themselves.

Trump has flipped-flopped and has no realistic policies or positions either!  He word vomits and has "concepts of a plan" yet people eat it up.

 

It's just not fair the higher standard and scrutiny that a woman is held to compared to one of the dumbest white men to ever live.

[Onyxmage]

1 minute ago, ClashAndBurn said:

Nah, Kamala would not have done anything materially different from Biden or Trump. I stand by this. The performative criticism wouldn't halt the flow of 2,000 pound bunker buster bombs being dropped on children in Gaza and Beirut.

Well I guess we'll never know now will we but we know exactly what Trump will do. Hope it was worth it. 

[skwonderfactory]

As someone who is actively engaged to a trans person and plans to get married, plus the fact that they currently live off of social security and Medicare due to their chronic pain, it feels very gloom. This is the love of my life and they lose their ability to live a decent life in January.

[Rep2000]

3 minutes ago, scottstreet said:

I can't imagine what it feels like to be a gay person in the US right now. We truly are the most hated community on earth, i'm so disheartened and afraid to live knowing this is only getting worse… 

All my trans friends are freaking out right now, because the chance of their existences being illegals in the eye of the law is an absolute possibility right now I literally can't, y'all.

[anastaciabby]

2 minutes ago, ClashAndBurn said:

Nah, Kamala would not have done anything materially different from Biden or Trump. I stand by this. The performative criticism wouldn't halt the flow of 2,000 pound bunker buster bombs being dropped on children in Gaza and Beirut.

if you stand by it you're an idiot that doesn't know anything about actual politics

[Delirious]

2 minutes ago, ClashAndBurn said:

Nah, Kamala would not have done anything materially different from Biden or Trump. I stand by this. The performative criticism wouldn't halt the flow of 2,000 pound bunker buster bombs being dropped on children in Gaza and Beirut.

you're delusional if you actually thot this

[zzmyth]

what people are not getting is that the problem all this time is the democrats' position on everything. They have gone from a center party, to a right-wing party. And that means that young voters that are democrats do not feel represented.

 

I'm sure that palestine had a lot to do with a lot of young people not voting for kamala.

 

And Jill Stein will have the best results for her party ever, I'm 100% sure

[welham]

Just now, FrederickGa said:

Celebrity Endorsements are irrelevant in the grand scheme of things

I don't exactly agree. It feels to me a certain breed of celebrities have a celebrity-influencer persona to them that unfortunately resonates with many of the brain-dead younger idiots who voted for Trump. Personally, I saw the most backlash against "celebrities," in the traditional sense of the word, when they endorse Democratic candidates.

 

We might see the celebrity-influencer hybrids for the absolute scum sellout grifters that they are, but they unfortunately still have influence over certain younger people (esp. men and female pick-me's) and in to an extent adults (adults who see them for what they are but simply don't care, they simply support the messaging and/or try to enter a mutually beneficial relationship with them).

 

[BeenTheShit]

16 minutes ago, welham said:

 

Not just the highlighted part, the whole post even.

She held non-stop rallies and met with voters.  She tried to appeal to democrats, independents, and conservatives.  She was literally running against a racist, rapist, and convicted felon who plotted to overthrow the government.

[ClashAndBurn]

Just now, Onyxmage said:

Well I guess we'll never know now will we but we know exactly what Trump will do. Hope it was worth it. 

Hope what was worth it? I voted for her. I held my nose and voted for her knowing she wouldn't align with me on nearly any issue. And it wasn't enough. She lost my state BADLY.

 

Unless you actually think my posting on ATRL swayed the election like @Delirious apparently does. In which case, good luck to you, then.

[Vermillion]

 

[Bloo]

6 minutes ago, Nido said:

I can't help but wonder if celebrity activism and endorsements even mean anything at this point if these big celebs like Taylor, Beyonce and Gaga can't do much to secure the country's democracy. Have we as a society become so oblivious to celebrity endorsements and the message of hope, that only extreme cult-like forces similar to the one behind Trump can guarantee a win? 

Celebrity endorsements do nothing. They never have. If anything, they embolden the right-wing message that the Democrats are the party of the elites. This is why I have never understood why people obsess over who Taylor Swift is going to endorse. It's fine when celebrities highlight resources to get registered to vote, but the obsession Democrats have with celebrity endorsements is unhelpful if not harmful.

[Rep2000]

6 minutes ago, skwonderfactory said:

As someone who is actively engaged to a trans person and plans to get married, plus the fact that they currently live off of social security and Medicare due to their chronic pain, it feels very gloom. This is the love of my life and they lose their ability to live a decent life in January.

Yeah, my trans friends who are living in Texas just cried to me on the phone because they most likely need to move out of it asap. I feel so, so sorry for this. Sending you all the love. We will get through this.

Edited November 6 by Rep2000

[Vermillion]

 

[Harrier]

19 minutes ago, Communion said:

 

 

This is a strawman of the lib position. Libs know people vote on material issues - they call it kitchen table issues. She tried to run on them and she yapped about it endlessly. The problem is how do you convince all these folks you are better for them materially when they have bought into simple narratives like 'well Trump is a businsessman so he's gonna be better for the economy and for my pocket'. How do you dislodge that with leftist policies that require increased taxation and wide, broad based support? When such policies are fundamentally different from the mindset of the entreprenerial/aspirational American male? How does a genuine leftist survive in a media environment so fundamentally hostile to left wing policies? How do you run on people making sacrifices for each other, which is what leftist policy requires, in a country that is so legendarily individualistic and selfish?

 

Just because Kamala lost doesn't mean y'all are magically right about everything. Y'all politics is failing even harder than the libs - Stein peformed poorly in this election.

 

I have spent the last few months arguing your country is in a fundementally right wing moment right now, based on the polling. I predicted that she would lose right up until the end (even though I tried to not infect yall with my dooming too much). This result is evidence of that, not evidence of the failure of Kamala Harris to run as Rashida Tlaib. This view is just not based in reality

 

 

 

[ClashAndBurn]

2 minutes ago, anastaciabby said:

if you stand by it you're an idiot that doesn't know anything about actual politics

 

2 minutes ago, Delirious said:

you're delusional if you actually thot this

In what world would Kamala Harris not have given Netanyahu all of the bombs he asked for? In what world would the genocide have actually been stopped by either candidate?