TrymeB Posted August 1 Posted August 1 6 hours ago, Eat The Acid said: I cackled the whole way through. He's a living parody of himself. It would be funny, acting the way he did, if he was still hosting the Apprentice or a reunion of The Housewives . The sad reality that he is the nominee for president of a major party (and actually was elected POTUS before) makes it beyond tragic. How did we let it get to this point that a terrible person like him was elected POTUS and could very well regain that position as the leader of the world. 1
eyeroll Posted August 1 Posted August 1 3 minutes ago, Redstreak said: Maybe it's too early, and I think Kamala is still in a position to win. But it really sucks that it feels like she's gonna run as Biden 2.0 instead of trekking out her own historic path. A beyond wasted opportunity I agree. Even if there was some backroom deal where Biden agreed to step down as long as Kamala continued his platform, there's no way they could have anticipated the lift she's given the party. It should be a clear sign that there's a hunger for fresher energy, not just in age, but in policy too. She's never been progressive royalty, and I understand playing certain things safe right now, but it will be such a shame if she continues to keep the party so restrained.
Vermillion Posted August 1 Posted August 1 2020 Biden Margin / Muslims in State MI 154,188 / 242,000 GA 11,799 / 124,000 WI 20,662 / 69,000 PA 11,779 / 150,000 AZ 10,457 / 110,000 2 1
Lose My Breath Posted August 1 Posted August 1 27 minutes ago, Redstreak said: Maybe it's too early, and I think Kamala is still in a position to win. But it really sucks that it feels like she's gonna run as Biden 2.0 instead of trekking out her own historic path. A beyond wasted opportunity This will happen if she wins. She's not in a great position to completely flip considering this IS her administration currently.
Bears01 Posted August 1 Posted August 1 Biden, for all his MANY faults, did do some good for the country. The IRA and ARP were legit good bills. He appointed a lot of good judges, and has been relatively good on antitrust. Take the good things he did and run with it, and the areas where he failed and run away and carve your own path 6
Harrier Posted August 1 Posted August 1 The campaign is playing it safe on the policy front, and I think that is the right choice at least for these first few weeks. Republicans are good at demonising named specific policies and the further out from the election theyre announced, the more time they have to turn them into political liabilities. I also think that Kamala's identity and state background does matter here, and it makes it more difficult to sell ambitious policy to the American people than it is for a Bernie Sanders or a Joe Biden. It is easier for Republicans to frame her outside of the mainstream. I will also say, we should remember that democrats are very unlikely to hold the senate, meaning that the potential for transformative policy is limited for this Harris presidency anyway. So her coming out with a big policy isn't going to make much material difference, it's more of an overton window concern. 3
EnigmaticAndroid Posted August 1 Posted August 1 1 hour ago, DammnBaby said: That's what happens when you're spineless *and* gutless. Look at him, he definitely serves guT 1
Communion Posted August 1 Posted August 1 (edited) 2 hours ago, Vermillion said: They're trying to Pocahontas Kamala. Except this is nothing like Warren's situation…. I saw comparisons to birtherism but.. no, yeah, this is actually what they're doing again the same way. Like someone else mentioned, it would maybe cast doubt on her motivations or paint her as dishonest in some way (not lying about being black but more-so when she highlighted portions of her identity a la Warren). The difference being... there is a historical trope of white people ID'ing as native for benefits that hung over Warren's claims. Such simply doesn't exist in Kamala's case , even if he convinces people she was a bit toothless? I saw a tweet joking he's aiming to be the first pro-ADOS president? Edited August 1 by Communion 1 1
GhostBox Posted August 1 Posted August 1 (edited) 37 minutes ago, Vermillion said: Welp. Sigh. This just again proves what I've said that no matter who she picks a group on the left will still pick them apart to hell and back. Doenst matter if it's Shapiro beshear or walz (which I've seen some start to criticize as well) someone's going to be upset. no matter which man she chooses they are all better than this Edited August 1 by GhostBox
shelven Posted August 1 Posted August 1 2 minutes ago, GhostBox said: This just again proves what I've said that no matter who she picks a group on the left will still pick them apart to hell and back. Doenst matter if it's Shapiro beshear or walz (which I've seen some start to criticize as well) someone's going to be upset. Which is exactly why the VP pick shouldn't be decided based on ideology or policy and instead should be decided based on who comes across as more relatable to the types of voters that Harris might not come across as relatable to and who doesn't have a provocative scandal in their recent past that will be very easy for the media and the average low-info voter to latch onto like say, just as a random example, keeping your top aide employed for months after they were accused of sexually harassing someone on your staff. 2
ClashAndBurn Posted August 1 Posted August 1 26 minutes ago, Bears01 said: Biden, for all his MANY faults, did do some good for the country. The IRA and ARP were legit good bills. He appointed a lot of good judges, and has been relatively good on antitrust. Take the good things he did and run with it, and the areas where he failed and run away and carve your own path Yeah, the thing about Kamala though is that she's skeptical on the positives of anti-trust policy and seems to be poised to go back on what positives Biden has achieved 3 minutes ago, GhostBox said: This just again proves what I've said that no matter who she picks a group on the left will still pick them apart to hell and back. Doenst matter if it's Shapiro beshear or walz (which I've seen some start to criticize as well) someone's going to be upset. Zaid Jilani isn't putting this forward to tear down Beshear so much as to say the complaints people have about Shapiro are invalid because all of the other VP picks are pro-Israel too, and that people are only complaining because he's Jewish, ignoring the policy choices, the public condemnations of student protesters equivocating them with the KKK, him suing Ben and Jerry's for refusing to sell their products in occupied territories of the West Bank, the sexual harassment coverup, his support for conservative voucher policies, and so on.
Beyonnaise Posted August 1 Posted August 1 On 7/23/2024 at 2:09 PM, Beyonnaise said: Making a brief ATRL return because I thought this might be of interest. Shapiro has some allegations of shady ties. One in particular is this case of a girl whose death was ruled a "suicide" I saw this post shared in the past, the case has gotten local attention in Philly: More about this case here. Oop https://www.inquirer.com/news/ellen-greenberg-suicide-homicide-appeal-supreme-court-20240731.html 1
Sannie Posted August 1 Posted August 1 46 minutes ago, Vermillion said: Welp. Sigh. This could honestly just be a case of Andy trying to do something he thinks is genuinely helpful. It's clear he has a good heart and wants to help, so someone coming to him and being like, "we're being attacked, we need help" would probably pull on his heart strings. Maybe I'm being a little delusional, but I wouldn't compare this to some of the more sinister things we've seen a la Fetterman. If the baseline here is that we can't have someone who looks even somewhat friendly to jews then, uh, I think we have a problem. 4
Communion Posted August 1 Posted August 1 40 minutes ago, ClashAndBurn said: If anything, she's running a worse campaign than Biden since she's working to embrace corporations more and may be angling to drop Lina Khan from the FTC. So in a lot of ways, her impact on labor will be a net negative. There's some still policy areas to see where she'll carve her path, but it feels like the VBNMW sycophants, grifters, and dead-enders who swore Biden was God and that Trump would be up +15 if Biden was no longer the nominee seemingly... don't get the progressive push for Kamala (*THE* push that started it all) came from who Kamala was in 2020. Like the coconut-pilling and Bernie Bro ****-posting in support of her was genuine in that, if the choices were between Biden and her due to the constraints claimed, of course progressives would pick her, because 2020 Kamala was more progressive than 2020 Biden. Yes, she's funny and charismatic, but you can't just take those qualities and slap them on Biden's 2021-2024 record and make an unelectable record be electable. Hell, many of the times she was publicly mocked 2021-2024 for her incidents of poor public speaking were when she was serving as a mouth-piece for Biden's centrist agenda. There's nothing innate or some Kamala-ness. It was simply she was to Biden's left. So to now give us a Kamala either as centrist with Biden's same record or to Biden's *right*? Is it CRACK? It's all just feeling a bit... dddd 1
GraceRandolph Posted August 1 Posted August 1 6 minutes ago, Communion said: There's some still policy areas to see where she'll carve her path, but it feels like the VBNMW sycophants, grifters, and dead-enders who swore Biden was God and that Trump would be up +15 if Biden was no longer the nominee seemingly... don't get the progressive push for Kamala (*THE* push that started it all) came from who Kamala was in 2020. Like the coconut-pilling and Bernie Bro ****-posting in support of her was genuine in that, if the choices were between Biden and her due to the constraints claimed, of course progressives would pick her, because 2020 Kamala was more progressive than 2020 Biden. Yes, she's funny and charismatic, but you can't just take those qualities and slap them on Biden's 2021-2024 record and make an unelectable record be electable. Hell, many of the times she was publicly mocked 2021-2024 for her incidents of poor public speaking were when she was serving as a mouth-piece for Biden's centrist agenda. There's nothing innate or some Kamala-ness. It was simply she was to Biden's left. So to now give us a Kamala either as centrist with Biden's same record or to Biden's *right*? Is it CRACK? It's all just feeling a bit... dddd What we wanted: 2 2
Communion Posted August 1 Posted August 1 (edited) 37 minutes ago, GhostBox said: This just again proves what I've said that no matter who she picks The tweet by Zaid is misleading and he's doing the Lee Fang thing he sometimes does where he gets reactionary if sensing progressives or liberals are somehow being hypocritical about "identity politics". Except Beshear didn't "adopt" the IHRA definition of antisemitism. It was passed unanimously in the Kentucky legislature with a veto-proof vote. This was pointed out here days ago about what Beshear's views are: Again, this is what leftists have already said. That others' willingness to not be anti-Palestinian matters. Did Shapiro appoint pro-Palestinian Democrats to agencies within his state as governor like Beshear did in making Charles Booker part of the state government? It has nothing to do with Shapiro being Jewish and we're actually being pragmatic like you demand of us instead of just saying **** Kamala regardless of who her VP is. Beshear or Walz's indifference to Israel outside of accepting the political norm of them as America's ally is different and less severe in degrees of support than Shapiro actively using the levers of power he has ever had to try and punish and censor those who spoke out against Israel, even defending illegal settlements. Edited August 1 by Communion 2 1
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Vermillion Posted August 1 Posted August 1 GOP Chairman. The only people who buy this were never gonna vote for Kamala anyways. 2 1
Sannie Posted August 1 Posted August 1 1 minute ago, Vermillion said: GOP Chairman. The only people who buy this were never gonna vote for Kamala anyways. Trump is so brave for, *checks notes*, talking to black people. ------ Me on Monday. 1 2
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