N.M.K. Posted July 27 Posted July 27 7 minutes ago, ClashAndBurn said: Israel was created because the West was run by racist Evangelicals who didn't even see Arabs as people, and didn't consider them and what their reaction to being forcibly displaced so that a bunch of settlers from Europe could steal their homes would be. Evangelicals want Jews to run Israel because of their belief that God's chosen people owning the land will bring about the Rapture. To answer your question about "does any state have a right to exist?" I certainly wouldn't say that about other settler colonial states, no. America, Canada, Australia and New Zealand are all illegitimate in my view, and the world would be better off if none of them existed as they do currently. Especially the United States. New Zealand much less than the others. The reasons why Evangelicals support Israel is irrelevant to the reason why the Jewish people support Israel and why - even before the British Mandate- Jews were working to establish refuge back in their homeland. You clearly are beyond approach to change your mind on any view of the topic, but the failure to see and understand why Israel exists and what it means to the Jewish people is part of why no progress will be made. But it's easy for you thousands of miles away to shun its existence as people in Israel and Palestine suffer 3 4
NausAllien Posted July 27 Posted July 27 That's why I keep saying the only way Harris can win over working-class voters is by proposing policies that will materially improve their lives. Platitudes about a better future won't cut it. She needs actionable solutions. She CAN still win without those voters. There might be enough people that will vote for her just so Trump is not elected. But why risk it? When you could easily do something to actually help people? How long do Democrats think they can uphold the status quo?
GraceRandolph Posted July 27 Posted July 27 Okay, something definitely changed when Kamala was announced. 2
NausAllien Posted July 27 Posted July 27 6 minutes ago, N.M.K. said: The reasons why Evangelicals support Israel is irrelevant to the reason why the Jewish people support Israel and why - even before the British Mandate- Jews were working to establish refuge back in their homeland. You clearly are beyond approach to change your mind on any view of the topic, but the failure to see and understand why Israel exists and what it means to the Jewish people is part of why no progress will be made. But it's easy for you thousands of miles away to shun its existence as people in Israel and Palestine suffer I think this user is also missing a few History lessons. Israel wasn't established out of nowhere (nor it was a colonial settlement). After the fall of the Ottomon Empire, the region came under British control. During that time, Jews and Arabs living in that region were in constant conflict, which culminated with the Arab-Israeli War of 1948. The war started when the Jewish population that have been living in that region declared their independence. A bloody war erupted and it was won by Israel. So comparing how Israel was established to how, Australia, for example, was established is AHISTORICAL. 2 2
ClashAndBurn Posted July 27 Posted July 27 10 minutes ago, N.M.K. said: The reasons why Evangelicals support Israel is irrelevant to the reason why the Jewish people support Israel and why - even before the British Mandate- Jews were working to establish refuge back in their homeland. You clearly are beyond approach to change your mind on any view of the topic, but the failure to see and understand why Israel exists and what it means to the Jewish people is part of why no progress will be made. But it's easy for you thousands of miles away to shun its existence as people in Israel and Palestine suffer The only reason the Jews have Israel is because Western Evangelicals carved it out of colonized land and handed it over to them, along with the weapons support needed to defend it. The ENTIRE reason the Zionist project came into being was to fulfill a religious prophecy. Symbolic meaning and historical significance to Jews means very little as to why Israel actually exists to this day when at the end of the day, it functions as a glorified military base for America to have a foothold in the Middle East so they can pillage oil from neighboring countries like Syria. 1 3 2 1
Communion Posted July 27 Posted July 27 19 minutes ago, Sannie said: incoming statement from Harris condemning this which will make leftists angry. I await Harris' statement condemning Israel's illegal occupation of Syria's Golan Heights and Israel killing Druze children in the crossfires of their expansionist wars with all of their neighbors sans Egypt (though one has to imagine Egypt is not happy about Israel recently deciding to overtake and destroy parts of the Rafah crossing).
NausAllien Posted July 27 Posted July 27 3 minutes ago, ClashAndBurn said: The only reason the Jews have Israel is because Western Evangelicals carved it out of colonized land and handed it over to them Like, dude, do you enjoy making stuff up or what? Do you even know what you're talking about? You also sound like a crazy conspiracy theorist... 2 3
CaptainMusic Posted July 27 Posted July 27 25 minutes ago, Sannie said: incoming statement from Harris condemning this which will make leftists angry. Not sure how she can avoid this? Should she just not acknowledge this stuff? Why does Kamala even need to make a statement about every single thing that happens in Israel at this point. If she has to say something then the safest thing to do is to continue acknowledging both sides (even though we know Israel is far worse). 3
Communion Posted July 27 Posted July 27 9 minutes ago, NausAllien said: Israel wasn't established out of nowhere It wasn't established out of nowhere, correct. Israel was established when Zionists were able to convince the British to grant them their' *re-reads* like 5th choice after the 4 other places they wanted to establish a Jewish state rejected them, including places in Russia, South America, and Africa. The British even refused to let Jewish settlers into their settlement of British Uganda! Of course though Madame VP should be most concerned that a US ally is using US-funded and US-made weapons to not only kill 200,000 Palestinians in Gaza but continue their expansionist missions in other parts of Palestine like the West Bank and antagonize regional neighbors like Syria, Lebanon, and others. 1 4
ClashAndBurn Posted July 27 Posted July 27 4 minutes ago, NausAllien said: Like, dude, do you enjoy making stuff up or what? Do you even know what you're talking about? You also sound like a crazy conspiracy theorist... Did you… not know that Israel was carved out of the British Mandate for Palestine that was acquired from the Ottoman Empire? And you claim anyone ELSE is historically illiterate? 2 1
NausAllien Posted July 27 Posted July 27 2 minutes ago, ClashAndBurn said: Did you… not know that Israel was carved out of the British Mandate for Palestine that was acquired from the Ottoman Empire? Yeah, I already wrote a very brief summary of how it came to be, did you miss it?
Communion Posted July 27 Posted July 27 (edited) I know this is meant to make Vance look bad to MAGA but ironically this is the most working class and authentic thing he has probably ever expressed. Police largely protect property. It's not hard to imagine that someone from a poor background dislikes police as being a harassing force. It's why the suburbanization of Democrats resulting in copaganda is.. unfortunate. "People LOVVVEEE police", oh really? People just LOVE cops? Even when in the average low-income suburb police largely act as a nuisance, largely mocked as fat and donut-eating, and existing to meet speeding ticket quotas and breakup illegal drinking happening at parties by high schoolers? People just LOVE their local cops? People love feeling safe, but cops don't actually contribute to this. This is all to say - given that JD Vance's entire thing is he resented growing up struggling in a low-to-middle income Ohio suburb and ~identified in kinship more~ with his extended family in rural Kentucky... this is 100% something he said and meant with conviction ddd. Edited July 27 by Communion 2
N.M.K. Posted July 27 Posted July 27 18 minutes ago, Communion said: It wasn't established out of nowhere, correct. Israel was established when Zionists were able to convince the British to grant them their' *re-reads* like 5th choice after the 4 other places they wanted to establish a Jewish state rejected them, including places in Russia, South America, and Africa. The British even refused to let Jewish settlers into their settlement of British Uganda! Of course though Madame VP should be most concerned that a US ally is using US-funded and US-made weapons to not only kill 200,000 Palestinians in Gaza but continue their expansionist missions in other parts of Palestine like the West Bank and antagonize regional neighbors like Syria, Lebanon, and others. Yes, one of the leaders considered other areas. But the agreed upon area was.. the historical land of the people where Jews continued to live and maintain religious, cultural, and physical connections with for thousands of years despite exile and subjugation. I'm not sure your point. But not the gotcha you think it is 1
Communion Posted July 27 Posted July 27 Just now, N.M.K. said: maintain religious, cultural, and physical connections with for thousands of years America's a secular country. I don't support theocracies or theology as a rational for nation-building. Trump's entire thing is that he too wants theology to rein. US tax dollars should not go to aid people slaughtering others in the name of religious texts! 1 1
Communion Posted July 27 Posted July 27 Ellison endorsing Walz for VP. If elected progressives are rallying around him (Jayapal recently pushed for him too), maybe they feel it's an actual chance he could secure the spot. 3 1
Sannie Posted July 27 Posted July 27 56 minutes ago, Blade said: Wasn't there a strike at a hospital in Gaza today? Single statement condemning the violence and calling for a ceasefire again. Oooh, good idea. This would work, imo. choosing to ignore the other tweets about veepstakes and believing this. 1 2
GhostBox Posted July 27 Posted July 27 9 minutes ago, Communion said: Ellison endorsing Walz for VP. If elected progressives are rallying around him (Jayapal recently pushed for him too), maybe they feel it's an actual chance he could secure the spot. He would be a great pick. Definitely one of my top 3 favorites. Shapiro, Walz, Andy……. Kelly..cooper Cooper to me would be the Tim Kaine pick of 2024 💀
Popular Post Communion Posted July 27 Popular Post Posted July 27 (edited) (Why is this making me tear up? Fawning over politicians as individuals is mental illness in 2024 but surely there then has to be goodness deep down in her... she has to know what's happening is wrong if doing things like this... Surely she is gonna find it within herself to meet the bare minimum and end the transfer of weapons to Israel? Israel relies on America. America does not rely on Israel. Logic has to prevail..) Edited July 27 by Communion 14 2
NausAllien Posted July 27 Posted July 27 (edited) 9 minutes ago, nooniebao said: Turns out he's just another GRIFTER He doesn't believe in the outrageous things he says. He's just pandering a very specific audience. PS: What happened to him? He sounds like a completely different person: Edited July 27 by NausAllien 1
Sannie Posted July 27 Posted July 27 33 minutes ago, CaptainMusic said: Why does Kamala even need to make a statement about every single thing that happens in Israel at this point. If she has to say something then the safest thing to do is to continue acknowledging both sides (even though we know Israel is far worse). Oh, I agree with you, but she is still the vice president so she will be required to typically make a statement about everything. 😭 1
Sannie Posted July 27 Posted July 27 4 minutes ago, NausAllien said: Turns out he's just another GRIFTER He doesn't believe in the outrageous things he says. He's just pandering a very specific audience. No, he believes what he says. He used to be a decent guy, but then he was red pilled like a lot of other white men and fell deep down the MAGA hole.
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