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Posted
1 minute ago, Sugden said:

 

they weren't, they were just bigger in the usa

most 2ne1 singles were extremely local, SNSD has more streams than them in any non korean plataform and it's not even close...

like where? japan and china?

 

saying snsd is more global than 2ne1

 

is like saying twice is more global than blackpink

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Posted
1 minute ago, Sugden said:

 

they weren't, they were just bigger in the usa

most 2ne1 singles were extremely local, SNSD has more streams than them in any non korean plataform and it's not even close...

Wait, I just checked and pleasantly surprised SNSD has more monthly listeners. I thought they wouldn't. Imagine if SM uploaded the japanese releases to Spotify. :bird:

Posted
4 minutes ago, Vrx. said:

This is honestly scary. I know that they’re probably overworked but she definitely needs to make sure she eats right. JYP talked about how Momo literally eats more than an old man but works it off through the dancing, hopefully it’s the same for Yuna but I doubt it. 

the worst part is that the knetz keep praising her body which probably makes her want to lose weight even more :doc: poor girl, i wish her the best

Posted (edited)
1 hour ago, PowerGarlic said:

Thank you for this true meaning of “GLOBAL” and the only very informative reliable info. People here really spreading fake news like wildfire.

 

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1 hour ago, Dialamba said:

IVE success 700k albums sold, biggest 4th gen hit in japan, 2 top 10, Melon, Spotify and Apple Music, Miu Miu and Versace Global Ambassadors who is doing like them

 

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1 hour ago, Butters said:

If it weren't for the "rigged MNET industry plants" jab I would have just moved on like I do when I see Zack's hourly 'Next Level' Melon achievement update posts.

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i was literally coming for  crap1er and liezone :toofunny2: i literally post receipts and positive stuff about ive in here every day??? please. they are not an MNET group and WONYOUNG would have been an organic star no matter what happened. HOW are ive's streaming stats worth comparing to aespas? BEYOND happy wonyoung and yujin (even if she was rigged in) and other queens like eunbi and minju are free from that awful group whose only sales power was off the back of bulkbought albums nobody in korea remembers.

Edited by Seiko Oomori
Posted (edited)

i thought we had left 2NE1 vs SNSD discourse in early 2010s

SNSD won anyway.:coffee:

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Edited by Flomik
Posted
Video Views Yesterday Published
291,700,446 40,963 2009/06
273,489,707 33,370 2011/10
253,362,067 22,324 2013/01
240,667,279 32,452 2015/10
161,188,667 13,294 2011/04
156,359,390 18,658 2018/09
136,648,156 13,448 2010/01
130,221,287 17,711 2015/08
116,583,983 12,251 2010/03
115,814,680 7,473 2015/07
95,236,983 8,461 2014/02
93,165,593 4,979 2012/04
81,155,530 7,052 2015/04

 

 

316,598,338 187,407 2011/06
102,699,490 32,908 2014/03
96,435,187 26,692 2009/05
92,916,108 26,869 2011/05
80,807,655 21,178 2012/07
77,817,549 22,598 2013/07
63,346,587 7,575 2015/11
57,419,125 10,878 2014/05
54,355,667 13,412 2010/09
53,989,281 10,506 2010/09
53,407,208 5,109 2009/08
53,309,113 6,647 2013/05

 

 

Spotify

 

2ne1 biggest songs

 

1 2NE1 2nd Mini Album I Am the Best (?????? ?????? ??? ??????) 85,835,255 85,697
2 CRUSH COME BACK HOME 33,052,189 32,999
3 2NE1 2nd Mini Album Lonely 23,833,132 23,795
4 CRUSH ?????? - CL SOLO 22,927,358 22,890
5 Goodbye Goodbye 20,750,628 20,717
6 CRUSH GOTTA BE YOU 16,663,672 16,637
7 COLLECTION FIRE 13,333,857 13,312
8 To Anyone You and I (Park Bom) 12,185,450 12,166
9 2NE1 2nd Mini Album Ugly 12,030,224 12,011
10 I LOVE YOU I LOVE YOU 10,779,150 10,762
11 Missing You Missing You 10,503,392 10,486
12 To Anyone Go Away 10,393,884 10,377

 

 

Total: 412,783,548 

 

 

SNSD biggest songs

 

1 Lion Heart - The 5th Album Lion Heart 45,640,200 45,567
2 I GOT A BOY - The 4th Album I GOT A BOY 36,573,414 36,515
3 Run Devil Run - The 2nd Album Repackage Gee 31,749,273 31,698
4 Mr. Mr. - The 4th Mini Album Mr.Mr. 31,170,221 31,120
5 THE BEST Gee 20,522,965 20,490
6 Lion Heart - The 5th Album PARTY 20,328,455 20,296
7 Holiday Night - The 6th Album Holiday 20,087,426 20,055
8 The Boys The Boys 18,042,909 18,014
9 Girls' Generation Into the New World 17,945,346 17,916
10 Catch Me If You Can Catch Me If You Can - Korean Version 17,426,824 17,399
11 Holiday Night - The 6th Album All Night 15,949,631 15,924
12 Run Devil Run - The 2nd Album Repackage Oh! 14,924,060 14,900
13 Lion Heart - The 5th Album You Think 14,655,087 14,631
14 The Boys The Boys 12,232,846 12,213
15 Run Devil Run - The 2nd Album Repackage Genie 11,828,530 11,809

 

 

Total: 550,615,331

 

And again SNSD catalogue was absent for years on spotify

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Posted
4 minutes ago, Rhyme said:

Wait, I just checked and pleasantly surprised SNSD has more monthly listeners. I thought they wouldn't. Imagine if SM uploaded the japanese releases to Spotify. :bird:

70M monthly listeners and Lips aka their best song 10B streams confirmed

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Posted
9 minutes ago, supertiffany said:

like where? japan and china?

 

saying snsd is more global than 2ne1

 

is like saying twice is more global than blackpink

imagine comparing 2no1's "success" to blackpink, bp actually have numbers to back them up :hippo:

Posted (edited)
6 hours ago, rapperjennie said:
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I agree but I'd swap BG with Kep1er, I feel like the SNSD cover is gonna get them a ton of audience votes

 

BG using the documentary style videos in between was so unnecessary :rip: as if people don't already know how long they've tried to get a hit, feels too forced to get sympathy votes 

 

Spoiler

Yeah the docu wasn't my favorite part but i guess they did it to maximize the Cinderella/Fairytale atmosphere they had going on. I think it might have worked cause i've seen a lot of people say they felt emotional and cried. The classical arrangement made the song really cute and the vocals were good. The lyrics of Red Sun are apparently very meaningful which is why K-fans love it so much. :celestial5:

I will forever be mad that we didn't get High Heels for this round though 

 

Kep1er was nice visually but the song choice was a bit too ambitious. Good thing mnet edits the performances before airing them cause the vocals were kinda rough

 

Edited by Ghiles
Posted
5 minutes ago, Sugden said:
Video Views Yesterday Published
291,700,446 40,963 2009/06
273,489,707 33,370 2011/10
253,362,067 22,324 2013/01
240,667,279 32,452 2015/10
161,188,667 13,294 2011/04
156,359,390 18,658 2018/09
136,648,156 13,448 2010/01
130,221,287 17,711 2015/08
116,583,983 12,251 2010/03
115,814,680 7,473 2015/07
95,236,983 8,461 2014/02
93,165,593 4,979 2012/04
81,155,530 7,052 2015/04

 

 

316,598,338 187,407 2011/06
102,699,490 32,908 2014/03
96,435,187 26,692 2009/05
92,916,108 26,869 2011/05
80,807,655 21,178 2012/07
77,817,549 22,598 2013/07
63,346,587 7,575 2015/11
57,419,125 10,878 2014/05
54,355,667 13,412 2010/09
53,989,281 10,506 2010/09
53,407,208 5,109 2009/08
53,309,113 6,647 2013/05

 

 

Spotify

 

2ne1 biggest songs

 

1 2NE1 2nd Mini Album I Am the Best (?????? ?????? ??? ??????) 85,835,255 85,697
2 CRUSH COME BACK HOME 33,052,189 32,999
3 2NE1 2nd Mini Album Lonely 23,833,132 23,795
4 CRUSH ?????? - CL SOLO 22,927,358 22,890
5 Goodbye Goodbye 20,750,628 20,717
6 CRUSH GOTTA BE YOU 16,663,672 16,637
7 COLLECTION FIRE 13,333,857 13,312
8 To Anyone You and I (Park Bom) 12,185,450 12,166
9 2NE1 2nd Mini Album Ugly 12,030,224 12,011
10 I LOVE YOU I LOVE YOU 10,779,150 10,762
11 Missing You Missing You 10,503,392 10,486
12 To Anyone Go Away 10,393,884 10,377

 

 

Total: 412,783,548 

 

 

SNSD biggest songs

 

1 Lion Heart - The 5th Album Lion Heart 45,640,200 45,567
2 I GOT A BOY - The 4th Album I GOT A BOY 36,573,414 36,515
3 Run Devil Run - The 2nd Album Repackage Gee 31,749,273 31,698
4 Mr. Mr. - The 4th Mini Album Mr.Mr. 31,170,221 31,120
5 THE BEST Gee 20,522,965 20,490
6 Lion Heart - The 5th Album PARTY 20,328,455 20,296
7 Holiday Night - The 6th Album Holiday 20,087,426 20,055
8 The Boys The Boys 18,042,909 18,014
9 Girls' Generation Into the New World 17,945,346 17,916
10 Catch Me If You Can Catch Me If You Can - Korean Version 17,426,824 17,399
11 Holiday Night - The 6th Album All Night 15,949,631 15,924
12 Run Devil Run - The 2nd Album Repackage Oh! 14,924,060 14,900
13 Lion Heart - The 5th Album You Think 14,655,087 14,631
14 The Boys The Boys 12,232,846 12,213
15 Run Devil Run - The 2nd Album Repackage Genie 11,828,530 11,809

 

 

Total: 550,615,331

 

And again SNSD catalogue was absent for years on spotify

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Do SISTAR :heart: 

Posted (edited)
2 hours ago, Somi said:

 

Industry plant groups? :ahh:  Anyone stanning a big 4 group shouldn’t be even attempting to use this as a drag. 
 

 

except all the members of big 4 groups honestly trained for their places while mnet played with talented girls dreams to dishonestly rig their groups? sure all of the girls worked hard for their places but seeing so many talented hardworking people like miyu, gaeun, miho, chowon... or yurina or myah just blatanly evil edited and rigged out. even looking back at ioi is hard thinking about what happened to hyeri and sohees careers.

Edited by Seiko Oomori
Posted
6 minutes ago, boubour said:

at the end of the day, SNSD's biggest songs are songs like Gee, Genie, Oh!, Party etc... songs that even the girls themselves hate performing cuz they know they how **** they are
most of 2NE1's biggest classics have aged very well

 

Tiffany during the Zack Sang Show interview:

 

 

And? :ahh: Is this the argument now that Sugden posted those Spotify numbers? Not every idol will like every song their group puts out. We all saw NCT's death stares and glum faces when shown that Sticker demo. At least SNSD got their songs to become hits that people still listen to.

Posted

LUV seeing 2ne1 exposed as local flops 

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Posted

and i can't at people acting like sakura is some kind of pulled up by her bootstraps girl either slaving away through her three debuts as if she wasn't a company darling from debut either and not constantly pitted against matsui jurina by yasushi akimoto to be hkt48's new ace and steal the spotlight from ske girls :bibliahh: and she had her whole korean career literally booked and arranged for her by AKS, and AKS really thought they could humiliate jurina in the process too, she said NOPE im out. 

Posted
2 minutes ago, Cheers said:

Do SISTAR :heart: 

 

 

130,283,028 27,190 2012/04
108,151,426 17,622 2011/05
105,817,619 36,763 2014/07
103,462,109 24,555 2014/02
77,300,524 21,996 2015/06
71,273,918 8,405 2011/08
70,050,402 15,123 2013/06
46,966,553 8,837 2012/06
46,152,944 6,940 2013/01
42,211,733 7,737 2016/06
35,353,299 16,899 2016/07
33,049,846 4,743 2014/08
27,704,207 4,578 2014/08
26,692,261 474 2015/06
25,715,552 6,348 2017/05

 

 

Spotify

 

1 INSANE LOVE I Like That 32,049,407 31,998
2 TOUCH N MOVE Touch my body 28,404,602 28,359
3 LONELY LONELY 18,433,445 18,404
4 SHAKE IT SHAKE IT 17,911,381 17,883
5 Give It To Me Give it to me 14,861,556 14,838
6 ALONE Alone 12,982,850 12,962
7 Summer Special 'Loving U' Loving U 8,511,980 8,498
8 Special Album ???SWEET & SOUR??? I Swear 7,856,632 7,844
9 SO COOL So Cool 6,196,470 6,186
10 SO COOL Ma boy (special Ver.) 4,431,638 4,425

 

 

Total: 187,749,049

Posted
5 minutes ago, Seiko Oomori said:

except all the members of big 4 groups honestly trained for their places while mnet played with talented girls dreams to dishonestly rig their groups? sure all of the girls worked hard for their places but seeing so many talented hardworking people like miyu, gaeun, miu, chowon... or yurina or myah just blatanly evil edited and rigged out. even looking back at ioi is hard thinking about what happened to hyeri and sohees careers.

:bibliahh:

Posted
3 minutes ago, rzal said:

LUV seeing 2ne1 exposed as local flops 

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they still have the biggest 2nd gen gg song

 

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Posted (edited)

Question for the culture - why do NCT Dream and WayV have no lead vocalists in their respective groups?:psyduck:

It's like half the groups are idols who can sing and half idols who can sell photocards visual:coffee: 

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Edited by DanyelP23
Posted
17 minutes ago, Sugden said:
Video Views Yesterday Published
291,700,446 40,963 2009/06
273,489,707 33,370 2011/10
253,362,067 22,324 2013/01
240,667,279 32,452 2015/10
161,188,667 13,294 2011/04
156,359,390 18,658 2018/09
136,648,156 13,448 2010/01
130,221,287 17,711 2015/08
116,583,983 12,251 2010/03
115,814,680 7,473 2015/07
95,236,983 8,461 2014/02
93,165,593 4,979 2012/04
81,155,530 7,052 2015/04

 

 

316,598,338 187,407 2011/06
102,699,490 32,908 2014/03
96,435,187 26,692 2009/05
92,916,108 26,869 2011/05
80,807,655 21,178 2012/07
77,817,549 22,598 2013/07
63,346,587 7,575 2015/11
57,419,125 10,878 2014/05
54,355,667 13,412 2010/09
53,989,281 10,506 2010/09
53,407,208 5,109 2009/08
53,309,113 6,647 2013/05

 

 

Spotify

 

2ne1 biggest songs

 

1 2NE1 2nd Mini Album I Am the Best (?????? ?????? ??? ??????) 85,835,255 85,697
2 CRUSH COME BACK HOME 33,052,189 32,999
3 2NE1 2nd Mini Album Lonely 23,833,132 23,795
4 CRUSH ?????? - CL SOLO 22,927,358 22,890
5 Goodbye Goodbye 20,750,628 20,717
6 CRUSH GOTTA BE YOU 16,663,672 16,637
7 COLLECTION FIRE 13,333,857 13,312
8 To Anyone You and I (Park Bom) 12,185,450 12,166
9 2NE1 2nd Mini Album Ugly 12,030,224 12,011
10 I LOVE YOU I LOVE YOU 10,779,150 10,762
11 Missing You Missing You 10,503,392 10,486
12 To Anyone Go Away 10,393,884 10,377

 

 

Total: 412,783,548 

 

 

SNSD biggest songs

 

1 Lion Heart - The 5th Album Lion Heart 45,640,200 45,567
2 I GOT A BOY - The 4th Album I GOT A BOY 36,573,414 36,515
3 Run Devil Run - The 2nd Album Repackage Gee 31,749,273 31,698
4 Mr. Mr. - The 4th Mini Album Mr.Mr. 31,170,221 31,120
5 THE BEST Gee 20,522,965 20,490
6 Lion Heart - The 5th Album PARTY 20,328,455 20,296
7 Holiday Night - The 6th Album Holiday 20,087,426 20,055
8 The Boys The Boys 18,042,909 18,014
9 Girls' Generation Into the New World 17,945,346 17,916
10 Catch Me If You Can Catch Me If You Can - Korean Version 17,426,824 17,399
11 Holiday Night - The 6th Album All Night 15,949,631 15,924
12 Run Devil Run - The 2nd Album Repackage Oh! 14,924,060 14,900
13 Lion Heart - The 5th Album You Think 14,655,087 14,631
14 The Boys The Boys 12,232,846 12,213
15 Run Devil Run - The 2nd Album Repackage Genie 11,828,530 11,809

 

 

Total: 550,615,331

 

And again SNSD catalogue was absent for years on spotify

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wow their daily YT views are pretty much on par, with IATB being bigger than any SNSD song

 

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Posted (edited)
8 minutes ago, Seiko Oomori said:

and i can't at people acting like sakura is some kind of pulled up by her bootstraps girl either slaving away through her three debuts as if she wasn't a company darling from debut either and not constantly pitted against matsui jurina by yasushi akimoto to be hkt48's new ace and steal the spotlight from ske girls :bibliahh: and she had her whole korean career literally booked and arranged for her by AKS, and AKS really thought they could humiliate jurina in the process too, she said NOPE im out. 

Sakura has worked hard and deserves all her success. She wasn't instantly made some darling like Jurine, she ranked and then was put into UZA because management saw something special and it clearly shows Sakura is special. She works hard, she's a good team member, and dedicated.

 

Holding onto your fans and maintaining such popularity after so many groups, other girls to compete with, and moving from one country to another is clearly amazing.

Edited by Rhyme
Posted
3 minutes ago, getinthezone said:

they still have the biggest 2nd gen gg song

 

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one hit wonders

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2 minutes ago, DanyelP23 said:

Question for the culture - why do NCT Dream and WayV have no lead vocalists in their respective groups?:psyduck:

It's like half the groups are idols who can sing and half idols who can sell photocards visual:coffee: 

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well idk about dream but wayv has 3 main vocalists so does it matter 

even though ten should be lead and kun sub 

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Posted
51 minutes ago, boubour said:

Japan only. 2NE1 stomped on them globally 

 

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The shameless lies :deadbanana:

 

Most popular Girl Groups each year according to Google 

 

2007

2NE1-OUT

3. Girls’ Generation: 1.17 million

 

2008

2NE1-OUT

2. Girls’ Generation: 3.88 million

 

2009

4. 2NE1: 4.33 million

1. Girls’ Generation: 12.43 million

 

 

2010

5. 2NE1: 4.33 million

1. Girls’ Generation: 22.94 million

 

2011

5. 2NE1: 7.11 million

1. Girls’ Generation: 34.95 million

 

2012

2NE1: 4.03 million

1. Girls’ Generation: 36.83 million

 

2013

2NE1-OUT

1. Girls’ Generation: 21.55 million

 

2014

2NE1-OUT

1. Girls’ Generation: 14.87 million

 

2015

2NE1-OUT

1. Girls’ Generation: 12.12 million

 

2016

2NE1-OUT

3. Girls’ Generation: 7.03 million

 

2017

2NE1-OUT

5. Girls’ Generation: 4.69 million

 

2018

2NE1-OUT

5. Girls’ Generation: 3.12 million

 

 

Even on Youtube SNSD stomped on them 

 

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Posted

The fact SNSD still has people pressed trying to write them off as the 2nd biggest GG. :rip:

 

They had the hit singles, biggest album sales and highest grossing tours. No other GG did all that. 

 

Posted
3 minutes ago, Queenyoncee said:

The shameless lies :deadbanana:

 

Most popular Girl Groups each year according to Google 

 

2007

2NE1-OUT

3. Girls’ Generation: 1.17 million

 

2008

2NE1-OUT

2. Girls’ Generation: 3.88 million

 

2009

4. 2NE1: 4.33 million

1. Girls’ Generation: 12.43 million

 

 

2010

5. 2NE1: 4.33 million

1. Girls’ Generation: 22.94 million

 

2011

5. 2NE1: 7.11 million

1. Girls’ Generation: 34.95 million

 

2012

2NE1: 4.03 million

1. Girls’ Generation: 36.83 million

 

2013

2NE1-OUT

1. Girls’ Generation: 21.55 million

 

2014

2NE1-OUT

1. Girls’ Generation: 14.87 million

 

2015

2NE1-OUT

1. Girls’ Generation: 12.12 million

 

2016

2NE1-OUT

3. Girls’ Generation: 7.03 million

 

2017

2NE1-OUT

5. Girls’ Generation: 4.69 million

 

2018

2NE1-OUT

5. Girls’ Generation: 3.12 million

 

 

Even on Youtube SNSD stomped on them 

 

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and scene

 

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Posted
8 minutes ago, Sugden said:

 

 

130,283,028 27,190 2012/04
108,151,426 17,622 2011/05
105,817,619 36,763 2014/07
103,462,109 24,555 2014/02
77,300,524 21,996 2015/06
71,273,918 8,405 2011/08
70,050,402 15,123 2013/06
46,966,553 8,837 2012/06
46,152,944 6,940 2013/01
42,211,733 7,737 2016/06
35,353,299 16,899 2016/07
33,049,846 4,743 2014/08
27,704,207 4,578 2014/08
26,692,261 474 2015/06
25,715,552 6,348 2017/05

 

 

Spotify

 

1 INSANE LOVE I Like That 32,049,407 31,998
2 TOUCH N MOVE Touch my body 28,404,602 28,359
3 LONELY LONELY 18,433,445 18,404
4 SHAKE IT SHAKE IT 17,911,381 17,883
5 Give It To Me Give it to me 14,861,556 14,838
6 ALONE Alone 12,982,850 12,962
7 Summer Special 'Loving U' Loving U 8,511,980 8,498
8 Special Album ???SWEET & SOUR??? I Swear 7,856,632 7,844
9 SO COOL So Cool 6,196,470 6,186
10 SO COOL Ma boy (special Ver.) 4,431,638 4,425

 

 

So if we remove the solos

 

2NE1

IATB - 85m
Come Back Home 33m
Lonely - 23m
Goodbye - 20m
Gotta Be You - 16m
Fire - 13m
Ugly - 12m
I Love You - 10m
Missing You - 10m
Go Away - 10m

 

 

SISTAR

I Like That - 32m
Touch My Body - 28m
Lonely - 18m
Shake It - 17m
Give It To Me - 14m
Alone - 12m
Loving U - 8m
I Swear - 7m
So Cool - 6m
Ma Boy (group) - 4m

 

 

2ne1's global spotify singles aren't really that much bigger :rip: :rip: :rip: & SISTAR snatched them on YouTube too :rip: :rip: :rip: with no English speaker, no big company, no American promo :rip: :rip: :rip: 

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