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[19SLAYty9]

2 minutes ago, cat1867 said:

I don't think there is a feud.

 

But Max Martin would likely much rather work on new music then rerecord old music. There's a reason why Christopher Rowe is the main producer on the rerecords while Aaron and Jack work on the vault tracts. She likely could pay him an outrageous amount of money but since Shellback did the majority of the actual producing, it wouldn't be a good use of her money. Rich people don't become rich by wasting their money. Also there is a rumor that Shellback and MM don't get along anymore.

 

Swifties need to let go MM. She will work with him again if she feels like it. But she has produced great music with and without him.

Where did this rumor start? Interesting!

 

I could see max being a snob about the re records but realistically, he should run back to her at this point. He hasn’t had a hit since 2020 and has somewhat fallen off. I’m sure he sees Taylor’s numbers now and wishes he had worked with her more

[Buffy]

6 minutes ago, cat1867 said:

But Max Martin would likely much rather work on new music then rerecord old music.

This opinion has been circulating on this forum. Unless this comes straight from the horse’s mouth (Max Martin/Taylor), we have no actual confirmation to state this as fact.

[NEX]

 

 

He was a moth to the flame, she was holding a mattress whoaa.... 

 

I can't stop singing it with these lyrics. Help... 

[cat1867]

2 minutes ago, Buffy said:

This opinion has been circulating on this forum. Unless this comes straight from the horse’s mouth (Max Martin/Taylor), we have no actual confirmation to state this as fact.

It's a pretty grounded assumption to make. Trying to replicate a song perfectly is a much more tedious and less creative task than recording a new song.  There's a reason why Rowe is the main producer for the rerecording songs not Jack or Aaron.

 

Also  Max Martin nowadays mostly does songwriting for new songs not producing. Her rerecorded songs don't need new songwriting.

 

 

[19SLAYty9]

6 minutes ago, cat1867 said:

It's a pretty grounded assumption to make. Trying to replicate a song perfectly is a much more tedious and less creative task than recording a new song.  There's a reason why Rowe is the main producer for the rerecording songs not Jack or Aaron.

 

Also  Max Martin nowadays mostly does songwriting for new songs not producing. Her rerecorded songs don't need new songwriting.

 

 

I mean Christopher Rowe is also a primarily country producer so I understand why she went with him. 

Edited August 2, 2023 by 19SLAYty9

[cat1867]

10 minutes ago, 19SLAYty9 said:

Where did this rumor start? Interesting!

 

I could see max being a snob about the re records but realistically, he should run back to her at this point. He hasn’t had a hit since 2020 and has somewhat fallen off. I’m sure he sees Taylor’s numbers now and wishes he had worked with her more

Its not really about being a snob but rerecords are much more technical work than creative. 

 

In the first place, Shellback not Max Martin did the technical work when the songs were first being recorded. Max Martin contributed more to the songwriting so it makes more sense for Shellback to be the producer not Max Martin. Max Martin gets all the credit in our eyes since he is the more successful producer but Shellback is who is needed for replicating the sounds not Max Martin.

 

I am sure that Max Martin would like to work with Taylor again.  Taylor not working with someone isn't evidence of a feud but rather a sign that she just prefers working with a different producer. rep which was mostly Max Martin produced underperformed 1989 despite my love of it. It makes sense that Taylor switched to other  pop producers after rep.

 

She's been successful with Jack and Aaron and enjoys working with them more so there's no pressing need for her to go back to Max Martin.  I hope she does some day but by the way, swifties talk about MM, it's as if her non MM albums are all flops.

 

 

[cat1867]

10 minutes ago, 19SLAYty9 said:

I mean Christopher Rowe is also a primarily country producer so I understand why she went with him. 

She had Jack and Aaron work on country songs for the vault recording. 

 

The thing is that Rowe isn't an in demand producer. In fact, from his Wikipedia, he wasn't producing at all before Taylor put him on the TVs.  Producing is both a creative and technical process. The in demand producers are often creative geniuses.

 

But for rerecordings, the creative side is basically finished so she just needs a technical genius not a creative genius. 

 

Also,  the Wildest Dream TV , This Love and Bad Blood sound fine.  The RED MM singles didn't sound as great since they decided to put her vocals higher in the mix which is more in line with modern music production choices. They won't have the same issue with 1989 and Rep tvs.

Edited August 2, 2023 by cat1867

[Cruel Summer]

2 minutes ago, cat1867 said:

I am sure that Max Martin would like to work with Taylor again.  Taylor not working with someone isn't evidence of a feud but rather a sign that she just prefers working with a different producer. rep which was mostly Max Martin produced underperformed 1989 despite my love of it. It makes sense that Taylor switched to other  pop producers after rep.

This might be a bigger factor than people usually discuss, now that you mention it. I think there’s a clear pattern of her starting to move on to new partners when she encounters what she thinks is an adverse reaction to a project, and it could just be that she considers a door closed when she moves away from working with someone, most of the time. No need to bring back Max if she privately thinks their creative chemistry is exhausted, even if she’s publicly hinted that she’d work with him again - on top of him probably not feeling strongly inclined to involve himself with rework and Shellback doing a lot of the technical work on the original versions, of course. Like you said, that doesn’t imply a feud so much as a simple difference in vision or vibe.

[JorgeM]

44 minutes ago, By the Water said:

Y'all think Taylor isn't working with MM because of money? 

Because it doesn’t make sense for any part. Taylor is not going to pay huge producing tax when most of the technical part was done by Shellback in the originals (it is well known that MM since years ago always co-produce with people from his company to avoid the most technical work) and for Max doesn’t make sense lose his time when is already going to get royalties as songwriter and owner of the 33% of the publishing, he can employ that time making new songs with other artists 

[cat1867]

7 minutes ago, Cruel Summer said:

No need to bring back Max if she privately thinks their creative chemistry is exhausted, even if she’s publicly hinted that she’d work with him again - on top of him probably not feeling strongly inclined to involve himself with rework and Shellback doing a lot of the technical work on the original versions, of course. Like you said, that doesn’t imply a feud so much as a simple difference in vision or vibe.

The issue for us Max Martin lovers is that Jack albums haven't really underperformed yet and midnights is her most successful album since 1989. The underperforming lover singles were Joel Little produced and so he was ditched instead of Jack. Jack's singles on lover,  lover (song) and belatedly Cruel Summer have done well.

 

She would have to want to make another 1989 style album and have Jack album underperform to bring MM back as a main producer. It could happen but right now she really loves working with Jack and Aaron and her albums are smashing, so she likely doesn't feel the need to bring MM back into the fold..

Edited August 2, 2023 by cat1867

[Klein]

2 minutes ago, cat1867 said:

The issue for us Max Martin lovers is that Jack albums haven't really underperformed yet and midnights is her most successful album since 1989. The underperforming lover singles were Joel Little produced and so he was ditched instead of Jack. Jack's singles on lover,  lover (song) and belatedly Cruel Summer have done well.

 

She would have to want to make another 1989 style album and have Jack album underperform to bring MM back as a main producer. It could happen but right now she really loves working with Jack and Aaron and her albums are smashing, so she likely doesn't feel the need to bring MM back into the fold..

To be honest I'm not even sure she'd go back to Max Martin if she stopped working with Jack and Aaron. She'll likely go find a new producer. Max Martin has definitely lost his touch, so it's very unlikely she'll go back to him. I just don't see what he could bring to her table in 2023. 

[cat1867]

8 minutes ago, Klein said:

To be honest I'm not even sure she'd go back to Max Martin if she stopped working with Jack and Aaron. She'll likely go find a new producer. Max Martin has definitely lost his touch, so it's very unlikely she'll go back to him. I just don't see what he could bring to her table in 2023. 

I think its unlikely but not impossible. Max Martin's afterhours singles were smashes so his drought isn't that bad. I think he still is good at improving melodies into pop perfection.

 

The bigger thing is that shellback and mm don't seem to be working with each other that much anymore and instead mm is one name in a list of like 8 producers for his most recent songs . Taylor would have to find another pairing of Max Martin + 1 prodigy of his  that she would like to work with.

 

She would also have to really want another smash pop album.  I am not sure she wants to another 1989 style era so I think that's the biggest barrier.

[Walk_Away21]

I try to make you work but oh @Saintlor

You know you broke me good @Michael196

You know you broke me good @PopA911

Ya you you know you broke me good @Steve Johnson

You know you broke me good

I'm broken

 

You know dear love is a drug

You can't just leave

And now I feel why it's done

Oh I know I'm broken

 

Edited August 2, 2023 by Walk_Away21

[1989]

TTDS really is the perfect song. The day it goes viral will be the day world peace is finally achieved, I just know it. 

[Vespertine]

2 hours ago, =NEX= said:

 

 

He was a moth to the flame, she was holding a mattress whoaa.... 

 

I can't stop singing it with these lyrics. Help... 

That’s why it’s such a flop lyric change to me  Matches and mattress sound so close that I will never register the new lyrics. 

[Saintlor]

28 minutes ago, Vespertine said:

That’s why it’s such a flop lyric change to me  Matches and mattress sound so close that I will never register the new lyrics. 

I bet Taylor thought it was the most clever thing ever too  

[Vespertine]

39 minutes ago, 1989 said:

TTDS really is the perfect song. The day it goes viral will be the day world peace is finally achieved, I just know it. 

When it’s finally a Christmas classic, all will be right in the world. Totally agree  

[BloodLuster]

almost a whole month and SN TV for me is:

 

 

the only TV tracks I'm using so far are Wildest Dreams and This Love TV

[Starchild]

1 minute ago, BloodLuster said:

almost a whole month and SN TV for me is:

 

 

the only TV tracks I'm using so far are Wildest Dreams and This Love TV

The avi says it all really 

[Vespertine]

Personally I think Max and Taylor’s respective egos might have something to do with it.

 

 

Don’t people claim Max has certain requirements / expectations around working with him? At this point, there is no way She’s letting any producer call the shots in any aspect of Her career. 

 

I always heard things like “MM expects his productions to be the lead single” and stuff like that, which also wouldn’t really make sense with the TVs. 

 

[19SLAYty9]

I think Taylor does want another 1989 tv. She loves success. I don’t think she expected this much with midnights tho. I think she will want to capitalize with ts11 . So I could see her reuniting with max. If not now, in the future. Then reuniting would be a great narrative for a future album. 

[19SLAYty9]

5 minutes ago, Vespertine said:

Personally I think Max and Taylor’s respective egos might have something to do with it.

 

 

Don’t people claim Max has certain requirements / expectations around working with him? At this point, there is no way She’s letting any producer call the shots in any aspect of Her career. 

 

I always heard things like “MM expects his productions to be the lead single” and stuff like that, which also wouldn’t really make sense with the TVs. 

 

I agree 

[Taylor fanboy]

If the re-recordings immensely suck, I’ll stream the originals. No biggie.

 

[19SLAYty9]

Let’s play a game: if both Harry and dua are on 1989 tv, which one is the single?

 

 

[Holiest Dreams]

20 minutes ago, Vespertine said:

Personally I think Max and Taylor’s respective egos might have something to do with it.

 

 

Don’t people claim Max has certain requirements / expectations around working with him? At this point, there is no way She’s letting any producer call the shots in any aspect of Her career. 

 

I always heard things like “MM expects his productions to be the lead single” and stuff like that, which also wouldn’t really make sense with the TVs. 

 

I think this is the most likely scenario. And like, it’s not that money is an issue, but why pay that much for stuff that Shellback can recreate? 

 

On another note - I think my only issue with the Max rerecordings (WANEGBT, IKYWT, 22, WDTV) so far is the vocals. She sounds great, but the mixing of just the vocals sounds very off (to me). And that’s a Christopher Rowe issue, if anything. I feel like he should not be handling the vocals on those songs. Elvira or Jack could have done a much better job there, since they are POP producers. The vocals just sound like they are mixed in the same way you’d expect them to be mixed for a country song, is the best way I can describe it. 
 

Luckily this isn’t something the GP will pick up on at all, and apparently even lots of fans don’t notice this, so maybe it’s just a me issue. Plus, I think they did a good job recreating the instrumentals. I don’t notice much of a difference between those aforementioned songs and the OGs in that regard. In fact, IKYWT sounds less dated even. Anyway, I’m perched to hear the songs where the OG producers will surely come back (Ryan Tedder, Greg Kurstin, Imogen Heap, Jack ofc, Mattman & Robin, etc) 

Edited August 3, 2023 by Holiest Dreams