fan base Lady Gaga

[Freaky Prince]

4 hours ago, Orsay said:

It’s crazy how the biggest cupcakes who get the most offended by the slightest critique of Gaga also have the most defeatist attitudes about her position in the industry

 

sorry but I still believe in her and I believe she can deliver a critically acclaimed album, she may not be “culturally relevant” enough to smash like Taylor Swift but she’s still Lady ******* Gaga, put some respect on her name!

They hold her to very low standards. The ‘she has nothing left to prove’ narrative has been going on since Joanne and since then she has proved so much: two more #1s, stadium tour, halftime show, all that Shallow won, a smash movie with another one coming etc  So yeah she still has a lot to prove and work hard. We gag at her here for not releasing LG7, but jokes aside she does work hard pretty much at all times.

[Escape]

[Darkgalord]

NYC rats at Joanne Trattoria 

[Almodusa]

 

Need Gaga to pose with the Lady Gaga Base Award next year

[Sannie]

4 hours ago, Freaky Prince said:

They hold her to very low standards. The ‘she has nothing left to prove’ narrative has been going on since Joanne and since then she has proved so much: two more #1s, stadium tour, halftime show, all that Shallow won, a smash movie with another one coming etc  So yeah she still has a lot to prove and work hard. We gag at her here for not releasing LG7, but jokes aside she does work hard pretty much at all times.

Saying she has nothing left to prove does not mean she will not continue to kill it every time she tries.  She does not have anything left to prove, which is exactly why her success post Joanne has been so impressive.

 

I think you guys are conflating two different things. Her working hard and succeeding is not antithetical to "she has nothing left to prove". That phrase just means she does not have to rely on sales and charts and silly stan things to continue her legacy as an icon and a legend. It does not mean her career is over.  

[Kimi]

She had so much to prove after Joanne lmao, What alternative universe yall live in. She still has things to prove.

[sunbathinganimal]

Just because she’s accomplished a ****-ton doesn’t mean she has nothing left to prove, she’s not Madonna lol

Edited December 8, 2023 by sunbathinganimal

[eleganceislearned]

Her standing as an A-lister in general and icon is set in stone at this point in a way that it wasn't pre ASIB repeak. It's just that she could take her music career to the next level if she really did her best sonically, and promoted the project like crazy (visuals, performances), which the base here seems frustrated about. She's not new and 21-years old, and pop is often considered a young persons game & genre, but she's not 50 years old with zero hope of capturing the youths either (like that perfectillusion user or whatever was crowing about a few pages ago, lol). She's at a place where things are possible, which is why people in the base are mad with her (seeming) complacency. 

[Album Leak]

Gaga has nothing to prove in terms of being a talented, successful and influential musician and performer, that is true, but even with the increased good will she has garnered since ASIB and the era of poptimism we are going through, she hasn't managed to release a truly acclaimed body of work that is supported by the critics, fans and the GP. 

 

Will Born This Way remain her magnus opus till the end of her music career? 

Edited December 8, 2023 by Album Leak

[eleganceislearned]

Just now, Album Leak said:

Gaga has nothing to prove in terms of being a talented, successful and influential musician and performer, that is true, but even with the increased good will she has garnered since ASIB and the era of poptimism we are going through, she hasn't managed to release a truly acclaimed body of work that is supported by both critics, fans and the GP. 

 

Will Born This Way remain her magnus opus till the end of her music career? 

With the way I see it, Gaga is like Madonna and Britney in that she's always going to have more criticisms than other pop stars because there's this certain level of disdain that some critics will always have with them for whatever reasons (Gaga being considered too referential and taking herself seriously as an artist seems to be what rankles her detractors the most, also we will always have to deal with Madonna stans who don't like her). She's not exactly Rebecca of Sunnybrook Farm like Taylor, or cool-to-like so the person seems cool by osmosis by liking them, as in Rihanna, & the aforementioned baggage is why I don't doubt someone like Tate McRae might end up having a bigger MC score than Gaga's next project tbh (flashback to Camilla's boring album having a bigger score than Gaga circa 2016 ). I think it's far more important that she have songs that are damn good and connect with the people rather than some perfect MC score (which honestly, no one but pop stan spaces care about). 

[Kimi]

Madonna had plenty ACCLAIMED albums pls  critics stopped being hard on her since 2018. And controversial option but Gaga’s legendary status is not set in stone, she can still end up as B tier icon, someone who did amazing things in certain very short period of time (2009-2011) had some hits later but nothing as spectacular and that’s about it. I don’t think she will, she’s still ambitious, I mean Joker proves it but to talk about her like she’s Beyonce is quite wild. Our girl is only 15 years into mainstream career and had 3 underperforming albums during those years. 

[Sannie]

7 minutes ago, Kimi said:

Madonna had plenty ACCLAIMED albums pls  critics stopped being hard on her since 2018. And controversial option but Gaga’s legendary status is not set in stone, she can still end up as B tier icon, someone who did amazing things in certain very short period of time (2009-2011) had some hits later but nothing as spectacular and that’s about it. I don’t think she will, she’s still ambitious, I mean Joker proves it but to talk about her like she’s Beyonce is quite wild. Our girl is only 15 years into mainstream career and had 3 underperforming albums during those years. 

You are letting the stan world form your opinion. This is not how the public or the industry view Gaga. She is considered a legend who nearly every new girl is citing as an influence. Stop letting stan wars bullshit make you think this woman has the chance of being a b-list icon.  

 

All of Gar's main albums are platinum. All have at least one top ten hit. ASIB was a cultural phenomenon. Even Gaga's "floppiest" album sold a decent amount for the time. Your idea of underperforming is based on some arbitrary, stanmade idea and it is unreasonable.

 

  

25 minutes ago, Album Leak said:

Gaga has nothing to prove in terms of being a talented, successful and influential musician and performer, that is true, but even with the increased good will she has garnered since ASIB and the era of poptimism we are going through, she hasn't managed to release a truly acclaimed body of work that is supported by the critics, fans and the GP. 

 

Will Born This Way remain her magnus opus till the end of her music career? 

Eh, critics these days are bogus and are afraid to truly critique albums out of fear of pissing off fanbases. IDK how much stock we should put into music journos at this point. If Gaga wants a universally acclaimed album, she will need to hire a PR team who will push a narrative similar to what B & T's PR teams do so that people are afraid to say anything bad about her.  Without that, she is on her own and her work will have to do all the pushing, which I do think is possible. 

 

Plus, there is really no way for her to hit all three, the fans, critics, and GP, because the fans will always be upset unless the critics and GP love her and even if they do then they will be mad because the album did not sell Taylor Swift numbers. It is an impossible task imo.

[Kimi]

Idk man I don’t think I have deluded view  I’m just realistic. Girls might be mentioning her now but what about new girls 15 years from now, cause they will def be mentioning Beyonce or Taylor.

[PillowCase]

The way she cleared

 

[eleganceislearned]

13 minutes ago, Kimi said:

Madonna had plenty ACCLAIMED albums pls  critics stopped being hard on her since 2018. And controversial option but Gaga’s legendary status is not set in stone, she can still end up as B tier icon, someone who did amazing things in certain very short period of time (2009-2011) had some hits later but nothing as spectacular and that’s about it. I don’t think she will, she’s still ambitious, I mean Joker proves it but to talk about her like she’s Beyonce is quite wild. Our girl is only 15 years into mainstream career and had 3 underperforming albums during those years. 

It's more that Madonna is one of the few actual living legends that critics don't mind dragging to the pits of hell, whereas a "cooler" male rocker of her status would probably be unequivocally hailed, like the way Bowie was, but that is a whole other argument for a different thread and time. Also, I think she's definitely not in danger of considered a Paula or a Cyndi at this point. Could her pop career be better? Yes. But lettucce also not act like she's Xtina status either.  Why must we be dramatic when the truth is more in the middle?

 

6 minutes ago, Sannie said:

You are letting the stan world form your opinion. This is not how the public or the industry view Gaga. She is considered a legend who nearly every new girl is citing as an influence. Stop letting stan wars bullshit make you think this woman has the chance of being a b-list icon.  

 

All of Gar's main albums are platinum. All have at least one top ten hit. ASIB was a cultural phenomenon. Even Gaga's "floppiest" album sold a decent amount for the time. Your idea of underperforming is based on some arbitrary, stanmade idea and it is unreasonable.

 

  

Eh, critics these days are bogus and are afraid to truly critique albums out of fear of pissing off fanbases. IDK how much stock we should put into music journos at this point. If Gaga wants a universally acclaimed album, she will need to hire a PR team who will push a narrative similar to what B & T's PR teams do so that people are afraid to say anything bad about her.  Without that, she is on her own and her work will have to do all the pushing, which I do think is possible. 

 

Plus, there is really no way for her to hit all three, the fans, critics, and GP, because the fans will always be upset unless the critics and GP love her and even if they do then they will be mad because the album did not sell Taylor Swift numbers. It is an impossible task imo.

MTE

 

Though re: critics - I feel a tide turning right now with that Beyonce article from Vulture, and backlash from journalists and regular GP at Taylor being named Time Person of the Year. I feel like the critics might be tired of poptimism at this point, and with the way the world is turning, might lash out at the pop girlies in reviews, or be less afraid in general now. Could be wrong, but who knows. 

[EnigmaticAndroid]

1 hour ago, Kimi said:

She had so much to prove after Joanne lmao, What alternative universe yall live in. She still has things to prove.

This, and there's literally nothing wrong with that. If she seriously has nothing left to prove, or do, or achieve, she might as well throw her hands up in the air and retire. 

 

Does she have a legacy that will live on? Yes. Does she have hit songs that will continue to be listened to? Yes. There are also a plethora of things she could do and moves she could make that would gradually make her an undeniable mega-legend. 

 

It's like some of y'all post-Artpop are still so scared about if she were to ever swing big again, be ambitious, or take a risk that she'd somehow be better served to play it completely safe and stale for the rest of her career. 

[Tovitov]

25 minutes ago, Kimi said:

Madonna had plenty ACCLAIMED albums pls  critics stopped being hard on her since 2018. And controversial option but Gaga’s legendary status is not set in stone, she can still end up as B tier icon, someone who did amazing things in certain very short period of time (2009-2011) had some hits later but nothing as spectacular and that’s about it. I don’t think she will, she’s still ambitious, I mean Joker proves it but to talk about her like she’s Beyonce is quite wild. Our girl is only 15 years into mainstream career and had 3 underperforming albums during those years. 

3 underperforming albums? I get Artpop because it was coming after BTW but Joanne arguably over performed with how low expectations were and Chromatica did fine given the circumstances. I still remember the doom on Gagadaily the week of Joanne's release. 

[Almodusa]

 

[GraceRandolph]

What exactly does Gaga have to prove though? Sorry, but getting an 81 meta score would be nice, but it’s not going to change her overall career narrative much if her next album gets a 79 or 82. I would like to see her push herself and achieve more, but I don’t get this narrative. It seems like y’all just want the media and standom to get more on board with Gaga being worshipped like Taylor or Beyonce but that kind of unquestioning adoration isn’t healthy for an artist, or particularly interesting. 

[Kimi]

8 minutes ago, Tovitov said:

3 underperforming albums? I get Artpop because it was coming after BTW but Joanne arguably over performed with how low expectations were and Chromatica did fine given the circumstances. I still remember the doom on Gagadaily the week of Joanne's release. 

Artpop Joanne chromatica -  there’s no spinning the narrative about circumstances, expectations and shite like that. A list star having 3 albums below 5M, 2  of those below 4M means underperformIng. Artpop is the biggest out of them, funnily. All of them have awful streams too, they flopped and continue on flopping end of story.

[Tovitov]

22 minutes ago, Kimi said:

Artpop Joanne chromatica -  there’s no spinning the narrative about circumstances, expectations and shite like that. A list star having 3 albums below 5M, 2  of those below 4M means underperformIng. Artpop is the biggest out of them, funnily. All of them have awful streams too, they flopped and continue on flopping end of story.

There's plenty of spinning because none of them flopped. We've seen multiple girlies flop over the past decade after having huge eras and none of them are Gaga. Just because Gaga isn't at Taylor levels doesn't mean her album sales aren't respectable.

[Tovitov]

I think the biggest issue with Chromatica's performance was it's lack of longevity. In it's first year, it performed similarly to Positions, Happily Ever After and Future Nostalgia(the current crop of Pop Girls). It's just that when the era started dying, there was no effort to prolong it. Chromatica desperately needed a deluxe edition like Rare got or some extra videos/singles. It also didn't help that dance pop tends to have poor legs as it is(what we're seeing with Renaissance right now that the tour has ended).

 

I 100% agree that it could have done better had Gaga and her team not moved on when they did. But I still don't think it flopped. It sadly just needed help and it never got it. 

[Aston Martin]

I remember around 2013/2014 there was a narrative that Gaga was going to be the Cyndi/Paula of her generation. We can safely say that’s not happening. She’s gotten #1s in 3 different decades, had a blockbuster era 10+ years in, and has a lot of respect, acclaim, and awards in multiple industries. The fact that she got a BA nomination as a pop star is insane when you think about it. If she’s not looked at as a legend now, she will be eventually. I’d argue that that’s set in stone. 
 

I do think there is a lot of frustration amongst her fan base that she doesn’t always live up to her full potential. This manifests in things like the wrong lead being selected, the songs that have the biggest hit potential never getting a WW single release, or her team being messy. It can be frustrating when you know what she’s capable of and that isn’t being met sometimes for one reason or another, but personally, her career (past and future) still holds enough of my interest for me to keep stanning regardless. I won’t judge anyone who doesn’t feel the same though. 

[Kimi]

1 hour ago, Tovitov said:

There's plenty of spinning because none of them flopped. We've seen multiple girlies flop over the past decade after having huge eras and none of them are Gaga. Just because Gaga isn't at Taylor levels doesn't mean her album sales aren't respectable.

They underperformed, no one is comparing them to Taylor specifically, but to all A listers. 

[Almodusa]