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6 minutes ago, Jack! said:

I'm not trying to be negative, but it's interesting to hear about these meticulous plans, when so far we're not seeing much of what's actually going on or what their plans are. It would be nice to get a bit more of an insight into the plans of the album before the end of the month.

Maybe they had "concepts of a plan"

 

Spoiler

 

[shadowfred]

27 minutes ago, ViviLittleM said:

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Janick's other big project of the moment is Lady Gaga. The superstar singer, née Stefani Germanotta, is about to release new music for the first time in four years and has, like Dre and Snoop, come to the studio to meet with Interscope executives. This time, there's a nervous energy in the packed room. More chairs are brought out. Someone walks by holding a paper cup filled with lemon slices, assembling a series of beverages for Gaga. John Janick sitting under a wall display of album covers at Interscope's offices in LA. He is wearing a grey T-shirt and smiling at the camera Janick received a big promotion in March, adding to speculation that he will one day succeed Lucian Grainge as Universal CEO © Thalía Gochez Now 38, she has been with Interscope since the Iovine days, and has formed a close relationship with Janick. In a statement to the FT, she described him as "an incredible partner and trusted friend. His understanding of culture and how to support new artists is the best in the industry. I feel lucky to have him in my corner." Gaga arrives dressed in a long black coat and heeled boots (it's sunny and 30C in Los Angeles) and greets the room, giving hugs to Grainge and a few others. On the screen are meticulous plans for rolling out all kinds of things that I've agreed not to write about. Some have since been announced: a song with Bruno Mars and a surprise album she made to accompany the new Joker film that she starred in. They play the song, called "Die With A Smile". "That's a song that is a hit, in any decade," Janick says when it finishes, the most animated I've seen him. "There should be [YouTube] shorts of wanting to be next to somebody dying with a smile. It should be in TikToks of people singing with a cigarette in their mouth, there's so much . . . We have a really robust plan." Janick has a "PhD in YouTube" according to Lyor Cohen, a longtime music exec who is head of music on the platform. Gaga is another Interscope artist who has shaped the zeitgeist. In the 2010s she combined Taylor Swift-like sales with a countercultural edge. The year she first rocketed to fame, she showed up at the MTV Video Music Awards in a dress made entirely of raw beef. In the process, she inspired a legion of devoted fans, who she christened her "little monsters". In a passing of the baton of sorts, Gaga has offered her mentorship to Eilish, noting how she struggled to find an older woman in the industry to look to in charting her own path. But this meeting is part of a comeback mission. And Janick, in his understated way, acts as both coach and cheerleader to Gaga. "She told me she was making a lot of music but just wanted to wait for the right time," Janick explains to the team. "I got to hear the music and it was spectacular." Over the next few months the grand plan will have extremely mixed results. Janick was right about "Die With A Smile". The dramatic ballad caught fire, topping the charts in 17 countries including the US, where it became the longest-reigning hit of the year. But another key piece of the strategy fared badly. Janick had suggested that Gaga, an Oscar-nominated actress, could receive another nomination for her role in Joker: Folie à Deux. When the movie landed two months later, it bombed badly with both audiences and reviewers. "Even Lady Gaga can't save this movie," wrote Slate's film critic. Despite positive reviews, the album's fate was sealed. It's a decent case study for the precarious nature of the music business. Nothing is guaranteed, no matter the track record of your artist, or your executives. "If change is uncomfortable for you, if you like gripping on to the status quo and protecting something . . . you'll be spat out of the industry," says Cohen. "But if you're a person that enjoys when the machinery grinds and sparks are flying . . . " Janick, he suggests, is such a person.

https://www.ft.com/content/d5424651-da3f-478d-be7f-ffe893a43222

 

"But another key piece of the strategy fared badly. Janick had suggested that Gaga, an Oscar-nominated actress, could receive another nomination for her role in Joker: Folie à Deux. When the movie landed two months later, it bombed badly with both audiences and reviewers."

 

The way that this confirms EVERYTHING about our theory that they were lost after joker  

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There should be [YouTube] shorts of wanting to be next to somebody dying with a smile. It should be in TikToks of people singing with a cigarette in their mouth, there's so much . .

Damn he was right about this

[Aston Martin]

42 minutes ago, ViviLittleM said:

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Janick's other big project of the moment is Lady Gaga. The superstar singer, née Stefani Germanotta, is about to release new music for the first time in four years and has, like Dre and Snoop, come to the studio to meet with Interscope executives. This time, there's a nervous energy in the packed room. More chairs are brought out. Someone walks by holding a paper cup filled with lemon slices, assembling a series of beverages for Gaga. John Janick sitting under a wall display of album covers at Interscope's offices in LA. He is wearing a grey T-shirt and smiling at the camera Janick received a big promotion in March, adding to speculation that he will one day succeed Lucian Grainge as Universal CEO © Thalía Gochez Now 38, she has been with Interscope since the Iovine days, and has formed a close relationship with Janick. In a statement to the FT, she described him as "an incredible partner and trusted friend. His understanding of culture and how to support new artists is the best in the industry. I feel lucky to have him in my corner." Gaga arrives dressed in a long black coat and heeled boots (it's sunny and 30C in Los Angeles) and greets the room, giving hugs to Grainge and a few others. On the screen are meticulous plans for rolling out all kinds of things that I've agreed not to write about. Some have since been announced: a song with Bruno Mars and a surprise album she made to accompany the new Joker film that she starred in. They play the song, called "Die With A Smile". "That's a song that is a hit, in any decade," Janick says when it finishes, the most animated I've seen him. "There should be [YouTube] shorts of wanting to be next to somebody dying with a smile. It should be in TikToks of people singing with a cigarette in their mouth, there's so much . . . We have a really robust plan." Janick has a "PhD in YouTube" according to Lyor Cohen, a longtime music exec who is head of music on the platform. Gaga is another Interscope artist who has shaped the zeitgeist. In the 2010s she combined Taylor Swift-like sales with a countercultural edge. The year she first rocketed to fame, she showed up at the MTV Video Music Awards in a dress made entirely of raw beef. In the process, she inspired a legion of devoted fans, who she christened her "little monsters". In a passing of the baton of sorts, Gaga has offered her mentorship to Eilish, noting how she struggled to find an older woman in the industry to look to in charting her own path. But this meeting is part of a comeback mission. And Janick, in his understated way, acts as both coach and cheerleader to Gaga. "She told me she was making a lot of music but just wanted to wait for the right time," Janick explains to the team. "I got to hear the music and it was spectacular." Over the next few months the grand plan will have extremely mixed results. Janick was right about "Die With A Smile". The dramatic ballad caught fire, topping the charts in 17 countries including the US, where it became the longest-reigning hit of the year. But another key piece of the strategy fared badly. Janick had suggested that Gaga, an Oscar-nominated actress, could receive another nomination for her role in Joker: Folie à Deux. When the movie landed two months later, it bombed badly with both audiences and reviewers. "Even Lady Gaga can't save this movie," wrote Slate's film critic. Despite positive reviews, the album's fate was sealed. It's a decent case study for the precarious nature of the music business. Nothing is guaranteed, no matter the track record of your artist, or your executives. "If change is uncomfortable for you, if you like gripping on to the status quo and protecting something . . . you'll be spat out of the industry," says Cohen. "But if you're a person that enjoys when the machinery grinds and sparks are flying . . . " Janick, he suggests, is such a person.

https://www.ft.com/content/d5424651-da3f-478d-be7f-ffe893a43222

 

I think they were trying not to repeat their mistake with ASIB where they waited too long. So they were hoping Disease would capitalize off the Joker hype. Unfortunately, Joker flopped so that kind of put a damper in things. Hopefully they can reboot next year (and push DWAS to #1 this year to kind of make up for it at least).

 

Also reading this article just proved that corporate executives are just so.... Lucian Grainge complaining that Olivia's popularity means they're going to have to pay her more when her contract is up was so eye-roll worthy. The way they look at her and Billie's popularity in such a formulaic way makes it seem like they don't really get it as much as they claim they do. Janick at least doesn't sound as bad by comparison (though the whole article is a Janick puff piece ) at least; Iovine and Grainge sound like complete jackasses.

 

The funny thing is the suits can't really claim that their gEniUs bUsiNeSs sEnSe  is really ever that helpful. Chromatica, Guts, and HTE's rollouts were pretty messy. Any success from any of those albums came in spite of the label/management, not because of it. At the beginning of the article, Dr. Dre asks a very fair question: "What can you do, that we can't do ourselves?" None of the suits can answer it at all. This is supposed to be a record label PR piece but keeping that tidbit in there undermines their whole point  

 

Janick says that artists can only do so much on their own, and that labels are still needed to help artists get to that point. But besides getting playlisting and radio play, what else? If an artist's main source of income is touring, then radio play/playlisting don't mean much when you've successfully built a following on social media without needing hits. A record label would just skim off the top without really doing much. 

 

tldr; The only thing this article taught me is that Bobby isn't the only one taking a massive paycheck to not do much of anything  oh to be a record label exec  

Edited November 11 by Aston Martin

[AlGreRithm]

it would be pointless to do something now that Xmas freeze is taking over. I think the era and their "plans" will OFFICIALLY start January. and I'm okay with that since I have Disease and Harlequin to get me by until January.

 

that being said. i'm done with pop forums, it's not for me anymore. people here are right, at the end of the day this is a pop forum discussing charts and success. but with that comes meltdowns, complaints and people acting like they know better than people who actually "manages" pop stars, and these constant topics stress me out now (yes I know I'm getting old), those are unavoidable, so i am making a decision to leave atrl for good. I will enjoy listening to LG7 and her future releases outside, because that's how it should be, Gaga wants us to enjoy the music, not stress over what went wrong and they could have done better.

 

Goodbye little monsters, paws up forever. 

Edited November 11 by AlGreRithm

[Colmillo]

Y'all want Disease physical copies but can't even buy DWAS' to make it go #1 

[Colmillo]

 

 

Is this real? Damn 

[Almodusa]

 

[Infernal Paradise]

 

Chart run: #3 - #6 - #6 - #4 - #5 - #5 - #6 - #5 - #4 - #4 - #2 - #2 *

 

 

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[Aston Martin]

12 week in the top 10, 9 weeks in the top 5 now intertube needs to push it to #1 this or next week. It's not impossible for it to go #1 next year but I'd rather have the peace of mind if snatching it asap 

[gab00]

Yeah Disease kinda sound didnt click in 2024 i think we're not surprised are we.

 

She can always release a ballad and perform it somewhere and she should be alright.

[Almodusa]

 

Edited November 11 by Almodusa

[Azealia Banks]

Off topic but John Wayne's MV was cooool

[atemyheartinc]

The way DWAS's aesthetic and looks ended up being my favorites this year, more than Disease and JFAD. Who would have thought? 

 

Edited November 11 by atemyheartinc

[satnosaint]

The need to do a DWAS christmas performance

[paperfectdelusion]

That FT piece is quite insightful. I think they were so firmly believe that the Joker hype would carry the commercial performance of Disease so they have minimal promo planned. 

[Azealia Banks]

Just now, paperfectdelusion said:

That FT piece is quite insightful. I think they were so firmly believe that the Joker hype would carry the commercial performance of Disease so they have minimal promo planned. 

Which is messy but understandable 

[Infernal Paradise]

Ugh, the Midgets of Pop with the biggest song of all time under their belt

[Freaky Prince]

12 weeks in the top 10 is her longest since when? How many was Applause?

[paperfectdelusion]

1 minute ago, Freaky Prince said:

12 weeks in the top 10 is her longest since when? How many was Applause?

14, as long as Taylor doesn't release for the next two weeks we got this in the bag 

[Aston Martin]

According to HDD, DWAS is #1 on the Top 40 Mediabase building chart https://hitsdailydouble.com/mediabase_chart_details&fmt=H1

 

Google tells me this chart shows airplay trends for songs. Basically, DWAS is well positioned to top pop/top 40 radio this or next week (if I'm understanding this correctly )

 

Also I was looking at the song revenue chart on HDD where DWAS is third. And the fact that the biggest song in the world is generating less than $100,000 per week in the US is insane. I'm guessing that radio royalties aren't being factored in, but jfc that's peanuts compared to how massive the song is. And the two songs ahead of it are only making a few thousand dollars more. 

 

https://hitsdailydouble.com/song_revenue_chart

[Freaky Prince]

Just now, paperfectdelusion said:

14, as long as Taylor doesn't release for the next two weeks we got this in the bag 

Well that will be beaten easily. What's the other one?

[Aston Martin]

2 minutes ago, Freaky Prince said:

12 weeks in the top 10 is her longest since when? How many was Applause?

• Just Dance: 19 weeks 
• Poker Face: 18 weeks
• Bad Romance: 17 weeks
• Applause: 14 weeks
• Die with a Smile: 12 weeks

[Freaky Prince]

1 minute ago, Aston Martin said:

• Just Dance: 19 weeks 
• Poker Face: 18 weeks
• Bad Romance: 17 weeks
• Applause: 14 weeks
• Die with a Smile: 12 weeks

Help, I fear DWAS is coming for #1

[Aston Martin]

1 minute ago, Freaky Prince said:

Help, I fear DWAS is coming for #1

Oh definitely. And since DWAS is stable on streaming and radio is slow is ****, I presume it's going to be there for a long time