ATRL Moderator Bloo Posted May 13 ATRL Moderator Posted May 13 15 minutes ago, DEGUOM said: Kelly didn't like the way she looked in the Belasco footage, so they didn't release it in its entirety. She also confirms she's on some type of weight-loss drug (not Ozempic). This comment took me by surprise. It’s so counter to how she’s always talked about her weight in the past when she was heavier during the Belasco shoot. I’m also a bit stunned by how she described it? It came off as if it was “wrong” for her to look like that which might be hurtful to her fans that always felt reassured by her body positivity in the past. Idk. Maybe I’m doing too much.
justinxx Posted May 14 Posted May 14 (edited) It's out of character for her, but hey she just went through a divorce and I'm sure a lot has changed for her in terms of self-perception and things related to it. Also, did anyone notice what she said about riding high or whatever with someone? Is she alluding to dating someone around the time of the album release or is she just referring to being heavier while with Brandon? Edited May 14 by justinxx
Julianna Calm Down Posted May 14 Posted May 14 29 minutes ago, justinxx said: It's out of character for her, but hey she just went through a divorce and I'm sure a lot has changed for her in terms of self-perception and things related to it. Also, did anyone notice what she said about riding high or whatever with someone? Is she alluding to dating someone around the time of the album release or is she just referring to being heavier while with Brandon? I think she just means that she was happy with Brandon, riding high, and still didn't see herself clearly. She was happy and in a relationship but still heavy, so it wasn't about her being miserable, unhappy or in a dysfunctional situation that made her heavier. That's my take on her riding high comment.
Julianna Calm Down Posted May 14 Posted May 14 She has changed her values and her perspective, of course after her huge life-altering divorce and transition in the last couple of years. It's given her another perspective on relationships, on what her future will be like, on who she is and what's important to her, I imagine. When you're in a relationship, you have someone to lean on always and that becomes a part of your life - being a twosome. When you're alone, it's just you by yourself in your body and in your own skin 24 hours a day, 7 days a week. Those are two very different worldviews. I think it's good that her bubble burst and she could see herself more clearly. She obviously has struggled with chronic health issues, so shedding the excess weight is nothing but positive for her wellbeing, future health, and apparently voice (which is better than ever). I also assume, now as a single parent, she wants to be as present and healthy and stable for her kids as possible. Being of a more healthy weight definitely goes in line with that. To each their own, she's a smart and sane woman with good values that can navigate life with a good head on her shoulders. We as fans should be nothing but supportive. At the very least, we can shut up and keep it to ourselves at times when that's necessary as well. 2
ithinkheknowsoutsold Posted May 14 Posted May 14 On 5/3/2024 at 3:57 PM, BravoTangoWhiskey said: I've been thinking a bit about how Kelly could improve her playlisting for next era. While it's been widely discussed about single choice pre album release (and I think they got those largely wrong if they were looking for a single to push the album - which they might not have been based on the sensitivity of the content for her kiddos). I do, however, think Atlantic were right to release the number of tracks they did for an overall streaming strategy (although as has also been discussed, it probably was an album that would've been well-suited to just being released as a full album experience with no singles especially as nothing took off as a single). That said, despite the number of releases prior to the album launch, none of them playlisted well (which is the primary way to get your music to people's ears in the streaming era) - and we're kinda seeing that with FTJ duet (although how much of a push James' team is giving it / intending to give it I don't know). On that point, I've seen lots of mediocre tracks from artists with their first ever solo, or their lead single releases appearing on TTH straight on release day, and consequently pushing their numbers up *massively*. One thing I did notice when I looked further into *certain* tracks was they were produced or co-written by big names in the industry (see Perrie's song with Ed Sheeran as a writer). I then decided to look further at how artists get their songs playlisted - essentially on Spotify at least, it can only be "new" releases (eg once an album is out the artist can't "send it for consideration for playlisting" - it would have to happen naturally due to a viral moment or something), and I think that could be in part why none of the western countries put FTJ on their NMF playlists. But, when artists send songs for playlist consideration prior to a first time release, Spotify asks for them to give as much detail as possible about who worked on the song (writers and producers) and their other work. Sooo, considering all of this, if we take out SCYHM, Kelly only has ONE song on Spotify with over 100m streams that was released with Atlantic…. And it's… Broken & Beautiful… This is particularly shocking as MoL was released when most of the world outside of the USA had already transitioned to streaming, and then everything else has been released during the streaming era. It's even more shocking when you consider that the some of the fanbase probably don't even think of B&B it's a sort of forgotten song for some. The 100m milestone (a pretty low benchmark for the streaming era) is even more disappointing when it looks like LSS won't make it for another 4 years and I doubt anything from chemistry will within a decade. BUT, the impact of playlisting and recurrent streams for B&B is less strange when you consider that it was written and produced by P!nk and Marshmello (2 names that get attention). It currently has a playlist reach of 2m on Spotify (and had a cumulative total reach of 49m). For comparison, mine has a current reach of 1m and a cumulative total of 27m (and to match up perfectly, B&B gets about double the daily streams as mine - again rather shocking considering its release day) So when looking at the chemistry era with a "who wrote/produced this to get it playlisted eye", FKOH (which again is divisive for the stan base) had CRJ as a writer on it, and although it's fallen by the wayside a bit recently, it'll probably end up (eventually) being the most streamed song from the album unless something goes viral or gets a big push. It currently has a playlist reach of 8.5m and a total cumulative of 34m. FKOH wasn't sent to radio either, so its comparative reach is interesting, but it does match up with the hypothesis of "writer/producer names being important for playing the streaming playlist game". But excluding the recent attention lighthouse has received due to radio and digital release, IHL is the other track with "a writer of note" (for a casual music fan) with Nick Jonas on it, and again, it's faired better in the streaming game than the other prerelease / focus tracks. Cumulatively it has had a playlist reach of 18m (but current playlisting is low at about 150k), showing it got more attention at some point than the others, and is still (just) getting more dailiy streams from a chemistry track than anything else excluding mine, me FKOH and lighthouse. While I've always thought DTY was *the* single from the album (and I guess probably should've been dual released with mine - it is only just behind IHL with daily streams), I think, especially for the lead single for the next era, it makes sense to get an eye-catching named writer/producer for streaming to playlist it. Say what we want about RCA, but they knew how to get a hit lead single regardless of the quality. And let's face it, singles are what get people to your concerts, get recurrent streams and build a back catalogue. It's almost like singles are made for the GP and albums for the fans. On a slight tangent, after lots of reflection, I think PBP is my *personal* fave album (with chemistry very close behind). However, it's probably the album with my least fave singles from the material, but with HBS and PBP, the album will continue to grow with recurrent streams and built in 2 core songs for her back catalogue (even if I personally don't use either of them). Obviously Invincible sort of bucks the writer trend I was just talking about, but let's face it LYTF is the better Sia track, plus they probably wanted to do something with RRR before the *situation* with that band's vanity credits. What I will give Atlantic credit for is the way they (and TKCS) have done their job at "rebranding" Kelly as a *singer*, which was REALLY important at that crossroad of her career. The quality of music we've been blessed.mp3 with has been great! (Just the promotion/release strategies have been underwhelming to say the least). So in a (slight) nod against what I've just said, I think for the next era, it's upon Atlantic to NOW focus on getting a "bigger name writer/producer" on a song to release as the lead / second single pre album. Kelly's reputation has definitely been transformed into *singer*, job done ✔️ What they should look to address is the reputation of "not having good enough songs for her" or just purely being a cover artist. I think this next era is time to go for some of the RCA playbook: get a big lead single (and I'm not talking big like when she was in 20s/early 30s but a TRUSTFALL size hit) and then populate the rest of the album with the same quality we've been served with Atlantic. I'd probably say she should experiment with some more producers as well. Two more things (I'm sorta on a lunch break brain cloud fart): • What they did with the MoL release strategy (despite me criticising Atlantic's release strategies) in terms of inviting the media to her house for a party and to get first dibs to use songs was a GREAT idea and I would love her to do that again. I've mentioned before that it's almost criminal that the wayfair commercials don't use any of her music, so there's definitely advertisement opportunities her team *should* go for, and her show getting a theme song of sorts is a nice possibility. But we've also seen how important getting a song in a film/TV show is. BoY became massive in Brazil due to its use in an iconic soap opera scene, Heat managed to get into the morning show (although it didn't make much of an impact, it was something). Look at Natasha and Sophie getting their songs in films recently. There's some potential at a shoehorned one (TTWL always gets more recurrent streams than you'd think every Christmas with Love Actualy). - and re commercials, Stronger benefitted from that Toyota commercial. • The next album, unless things have changed behind the scenes, is the final of the 3 albums in the contract she signed when she moved to Atlantic. I think it's been a harmonious partnership, so I do hope they look to keep her happy to extend with them even if expectations on a commercial side have fallen a bit short. At the end of the day, the WCCA extra album (which grows every year), the Kellyoke EP, the IDY EP and the Ugly Dolls/Hamilton/Greatest Showman songs should more than make up for a lack of "hit singles" (up to now) from a financial point of view. In any case, she did say her team were surprised (positively) at the number of sales chemsitry got… viva the next era, and hopefully we get something Olympic focused! Would be SUCH a missed opportunity if we dont Very good post, I enjoyed reading it. I admit I am not much in the Kelly Clarkson fan ecosphere, so I got to enjoy Chemistry in my own little bubble. I therefore had no idea Favorite Kind of High was divisive among fans as I think it is one of the standouts on the album, and I also had no idea Down To You was a fan favourite, as to me it was amongst the weaker tracks. I would've guessed Magic, Red Flag Collector, and maybe High Road to be amongst the fan favourites, but I guess that is not the case.
BravoTangoWhiskey Posted May 14 Posted May 14 22 minutes ago, ithinkheknowsoutsold said: Very good post, I enjoyed reading it. I admit I am not much in the Kelly Clarkson fan ecosphere, so I got to enjoy Chemistry in my own little bubble. I therefore had no idea Favorite Kind of High was divisive among fans as I think it is one of the standouts on the album, and I also had no idea Down To You was a fan favourite, as to me it was amongst the weaker tracks. I would've guessed Magic, Red Flag Collector, and maybe High Road to be amongst the fan favourites, but I guess that is not the case. Thanks bbs I think on the forums (which I guess are more hardened fans than the twitter ones), there is always jostling for preferences being the next single (we had the same with heat and medicine), and I think if I remember correctly, people thought FKOH sounded like a b-side from AIEW. youve made some really nice points re magic and RFC, and tbh I think with the material they had, almost any other song could have served as part of the original lead double release and built a narrative. I do wonder if mine/me was an indication of this being a moment of reclaiming herself. And now, I'm wondering if the lowercase styling (in addition to annoying *someone* could be indicative of announcing herself quietly before having an album/track all in capital letters. ———- on a separate note, on the KCE they're saying clips of demos have been heard on the Sirius fm channel. Maybe we will get some with a futures project (or with breakaway 20th anniversary if that comes) 1
Pikachoo Posted May 15 Posted May 15 6 hours ago, Julianna Calm Down said: She has changed her values and her perspective, of course after her huge life-altering divorce and transition in the last couple of years. It's given her another perspective on relationships, on what her future will be like, on who she is and what's important to her, I imagine. When you're in a relationship, you have someone to lean on always and that becomes a part of your life - being a twosome. When you're alone, it's just you by yourself in your body and in your own skin 24 hours a day, 7 days a week. Those are two very different worldviews. I think it's good that her bubble burst and she could see herself more clearly. She obviously has struggled with chronic health issues, so shedding the excess weight is nothing but positive for her wellbeing, future health, and apparently voice (which is better than ever). I also assume, now as a single parent, she wants to be as present and healthy and stable for her kids as possible. Being of a more healthy weight definitely goes in line with that. To each their own, she's a smart and sane woman with good values that can navigate life with a good head on her shoulders. We as fans should be nothing but supportive. At the very least, we can shut up and keep it to ourselves at times when that's necessary as well. I am happy for her weight loss. but why did she have to be so secretive about it? just admit it. yes, my thread was extra, but I am a bit disappointed that she couldn't have just said she was getting weight loss help, no one would have even cared! anyway, let me go stream meaning of life
Rv1709 Posted May 15 Posted May 15 1 hour ago, DEGUOM said: God damn... Kelly making me actually cry during "Cry" 1. this is better than the actual recording 2. I like how the band comes in later like my immortal 3. original key 4. Jessie looks so proud
jpsketch Posted May 15 Posted May 15 5 hours ago, DEGUOM said: God damn... Kelly making me actually cry during "Cry" This is insanity.
ithinkheknowsoutsold Posted May 15 Posted May 15 9 hours ago, BravoTangoWhiskey said: I do wonder if mine/me was an indication of this being a moment of reclaiming herself. That's what I thought Kelly's intention was with the album title, with the song's titles being considered more important than their commercial appeal. Frankly the two leads didn't grab my attention too much and I might have not checked out the album owing to them, but I loved all the subsequent pre-release singles and loved the album too. Perhaps if the Magic/Red Flag Collector had been the double release, I think a lot of casuals (especially on Twitter and the forums) would've been compelled to check the album out because of the quality of them. They did a very good job dissuading the soccer mom/legacy act reputation Kelly has developed over the past years for me at least, and I think they would've had a similar effect on the general public. 1
kylegfil_ Posted May 15 Posted May 15 On 5/13/2024 at 6:41 PM, Bloo said: This comment took me by surprise. It's so counter to how she's always talked about her weight in the past when she was heavier during the Belasco shoot. I'm also a bit stunned by how she described it? It came off as if it was "wrong" for her to look like that which might be hurtful to her fans that always felt reassured by her body positivity in the past. Idk. Maybe I'm doing too much. I see your POV here but I took her comments to be almost entirely out of concern for her health and alarm about the degree to which she was out of touch with how much her body had changed. I don't think what she said is at odds with body positivity at all. (I am a big yo-yo'er and went through a similar experience last year where if you'd asked me how much I weighed I would have answered about 30lbs lower than what I actually weighed at the time, then I went to the doctor and got the real answer and was stunned that I would have had no idea).
ATRL Moderator Bloo Posted May 15 ATRL Moderator Posted May 15 45 minutes ago, kylegfil_ said: I see your POV here but I took her comments to be almost entirely out of concern for her health and alarm about the degree to which she was out of touch with how much her body had changed. I don't think what she said is at odds with body positivity at all. (I am a big yo-yo'er and went through a similar experience last year where if you'd asked me how much I weighed I would have answered about 30lbs lower than what I actually weighed at the time, then I went to the doctor and got the real answer and was stunned that I would have had no idea). Yeah that’s totally fair. I went back and listened to it. The first time I listened to it, I was on the train with no earphones, so had to try to hold my phone’s speaker up to my ear with the volume low. I get what she means. But I think she could have worded it a bit better but some are doing the most about it.
Fortify Posted May 18 Posted May 18 Never thought we would hear her perform a My December bonus track but here we are. God she sounds good. 1
BravoTangoWhiskey Posted May 19 Posted May 19 I'm dying for a live/reimagined compilation album, please Atlantic. Her voice sounds so good!! 1
Godfrizilla Posted May 19 Posted May 19 Sometimes I think she's just trolling us, but in this video, I don't think she is... She seemingly doesn't know that it's Breakaway's 20th anniversary this year, so I highly doubt there will be any 20th anniversary celebration/release as it's a bit late now to prepare anything as it's already May and the anniversary will be in November. She refers to doing concerts/shows as "visiting that part of her career".... key word being 'visiting' lol She (once again) says she doesn't think she'd be good as an SNL host and that she would break character if she were ever in the skits. She says she would be a musical guest, but with no new music in sight, it seems unlikely she'll be doing SNL anytime soon.
BravoTangoWhiskey Posted May 20 Posted May 20 Random thought of the day, if they don't have any plans around Xmas for new songs or the like, I would be tempted to try and push magic as a Christmas song on digital formats. Obviously it's not classic Christmas, but it kinda fits and they could latch on the fact they put it on the Christmastry EP. Or even do a simple rework of it "magic (Christmas version)" and combine the streams to help make chemistry's numbers better 1
BravoTangoWhiskey Posted May 21 Posted May 21 (edited) Reminder: we get the Terri Clark duet next Friday Edited May 21 by BravoTangoWhiskey
BravoTangoWhiskey Posted May 21 Posted May 21 (edited) NBC's insta reposted the Invincible performance Kelly did on her show and a load of other NBC accounts commented on it. Maybe a re-recording of Invincible is what is coming our way for the Olympics Spoiler RCA stay winning lol Edited May 21 by BravoTangoWhiskey
stevenisFADING Posted May 21 Posted May 21 On 5/19/2024 at 6:58 AM, Godfrizilla said: Sometimes I think she's just trolling us, but in this video, I don't think she is... She seemingly doesn't know that it's Breakaway's 20th anniversary this year, so I highly doubt there will be any 20th anniversary celebration/release as it's a bit late now to prepare anything as it's already May and the anniversary will be in November. She refers to doing concerts/shows as "visiting that part of her career".... key word being 'visiting' lol She (once again) says she doesn't think she'd be good as an SNL host and that she would break character if she were ever in the skits. She says she would be a musical guest, but with no new music in sight, it seems unlikely she'll be doing SNL anytime soon. God.... this is so annoying. I'm happy for her if she's happy but I want more music-related things. 1
Maybe Posted May 24 Posted May 24 On 5/19/2024 at 7:58 AM, Godfrizilla said: Sometimes I think she's just trolling us, but in this video, I don't think she is... She seemingly doesn't know that it's Breakaway's 20th anniversary this year, so I highly doubt there will be any 20th anniversary celebration/release as it's a bit late now to prepare anything as it's already May and the anniversary will be in November. She refers to doing concerts/shows as "visiting that part of her career".... key word being 'visiting' lol She (once again) says she doesn't think she'd be good as an SNL host and that she would break character if she were ever in the skits. She says she would be a musical guest, but with no new music in sight, it seems unlikely she'll be doing SNL anytime soon. "visiting that part of her career" sigh...
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