jpsketch Posted April 20 Posted April 20 21 minutes ago, RealityBites said: Spotify sucks now. They don't put her on any playlists. They are so ageist. Take a look at how they've treated artists like her the past couple of years. They used to put her on the Pop Rising playlist all the time and now put her on Just Good Music which only has 800,000 listeners. They are so unfair. The music industry is trash. At least she gets to keep making music for us.
Admiral Bobbery Posted April 20 Posted April 20 1 hour ago, RealityBites said: Spotify sucks now. They don't put her on any playlists. They are so ageist. Take a look at how they've treated artists like her the past couple of years. They used to put her on the Pop Rising playlist all the time and now put her on Just Good Music which only has 800,000 listeners. They are so unfair. Honestly, it's kind of weird how they do her. Sure, they do most artists of her gen badly but even compared to them Spotify gives her dust. I remember when I could view Spotify playlist reach that she had, by far, the least amount of playlist exposure out of her generation of pop girls. I had thought that the response that SUBG got after they pushed it high on the All Out 00s playlist might inspire more faith in them for Kelly but I guess not. 1
BravoTangoWhiskey Posted April 21 Posted April 21 (edited) 3 hours ago, RealityBites said: A nice start. It's kinda like a radio company's vanity chart in the UK, but it shows 2 days of iTunes and Apple Music have got it into a good position edit: for clarification, this chart shows global radio station airplay and Apple Music/itunes sps Edited April 21 by BravoTangoWhiskey
BravoTangoWhiskey Posted April 22 Posted April 22 (edited) I know we're in the midst of a new release, but as you've probably noticed, I like to get way ahead of myself, and I can't stop thinking about what I would try to do with the next release if I were team Kelly: Some ideas: Release a new song this summer to be used for the Olympics coverage on NBC - and try and get Kelly to perform at the closing ceremony for the handover to Team USA as new hosts. Record live versions of some of her RCA Christmas originals, bundle up 5 Xmas originals and add a new song as a new Christmas EP - this will help build the brand of being a staple in the Christmas canon for original music. (Or put out a digital "compilation" instead of an EP as she has so many great Xmas originals) Strike fast with the lead single for new era in early 2025 - capitalise on those increased listeners from the Xmas period, especially if they've been listening to the new recordings, it'll make the algorithms think more people want new KC music rather than legacy songs Write a song for the KC show to be used as an intro - can then be submitted for Emmy nomination too - and add it to next album. Will get passive streams based on familiarity. Get the wayfair commercials to use a KC original song, same purpose of boosting casual streams. Release new album with a clear second single beforehand, and some smart focus track releases (e.g. you could probably get the proposed KCS and Wayfair songs on streaming as a prerelease but not as singles) Tack on the From The Jump and Olympic songs as bonus tracks, so the album has stronger first week SPS, while also the illusion of a stronger "era" for casuals. I also kinda wouldn't be surprised if after the next album we get something country - even if just an EP - cos I do feel like country would embrace her more than pop is atm. Anyways, obviously all of this is without knowing what is in the works other than the FTJ duet having been released. We have speculated a volume 2 Kellyoke coming very soon and the AC shows maybe indicating a release of something (potentially wishful thinking). We've also hoped that they strike hot with an Olympic song given NBC coverage and Kelly's hosting. what would you like to see happen from now until next era's rollout Edited April 22 by BravoTangoWhiskey Typo - bad autocorrects 1
BravoTangoWhiskey Posted April 22 Posted April 22 34 minutes ago, RealityBites said: Let's hope we get a viral moment from this jump start the song
BravoTangoWhiskey Posted April 25 Posted April 25 Songs and Stories was a joy!! I just love these episodes so much!
BravoTangoWhiskey Posted May 2 Posted May 2 Seems like summer sports Kelly is heating up on nbc… https://www.nbcsports.com/pressbox/press-releases/nbcuniversal-surrounds-150th-kentucky-derby-with-coverage-across-today-cnbc-e-news-access-the-kelly-clarkson-show-plus-olympians-minions-and-more
BravoTangoWhiskey Posted May 3 Posted May 3 I've been thinking a bit about how Kelly could improve her playlisting for next era. While it's been widely discussed about single choice pre album release (and I think they got those largely wrong if they were looking for a single to push the album - which they might not have been based on the sensitivity of the content for her kiddos). I do, however, think Atlantic were right to release the number of tracks they did for an overall streaming strategy (although as has also been discussed, it probably was an album that would've been well-suited to just being released as a full album experience with no singles especially as nothing took off as a single). That said, despite the number of releases prior to the album launch, none of them playlisted well (which is the primary way to get your music to people's ears in the streaming era) - and we're kinda seeing that with FTJ duet (although how much of a push James' team is giving it / intending to give it I don't know). On that point, I've seen lots of mediocre tracks from artists with their first ever solo, or their lead single releases appearing on TTH straight on release day, and consequently pushing their numbers up *massively*. One thing I did notice when I looked further into *certain* tracks was they were produced or co-written by big names in the industry (see Perrie's song with Ed Sheeran as a writer). I then decided to look further at how artists get their songs playlisted - essentially on Spotify at least, it can only be "new" releases (eg once an album is out the artist can't "send it for consideration for playlisting" - it would have to happen naturally due to a viral moment or something), and I think that could be in part why none of the western countries put FTJ on their NMF playlists. But, when artists send songs for playlist consideration prior to a first time release, Spotify asks for them to give as much detail as possible about who worked on the song (writers and producers) and their other work. Sooo, considering all of this, if we take out SCYHM, Kelly only has ONE song on Spotify with over 100m streams that was released with Atlantic…. And it's… Broken & Beautiful… This is particularly shocking as MoL was released when most of the world outside of the USA had already transitioned to streaming, and then everything else has been released during the streaming era. It's even more shocking when you consider that the some of the fanbase probably don't even think of B&B it's a sort of forgotten song for some. The 100m milestone (a pretty low benchmark for the streaming era) is even more disappointing when it looks like LSS won't make it for another 4 years and I doubt anything from chemistry will within a decade. BUT, the impact of playlisting and recurrent streams for B&B is less strange when you consider that it was written and produced by P!nk and Marshmello (2 names that get attention). It currently has a playlist reach of 2m on Spotify (and had a cumulative total reach of 49m). For comparison, mine has a current reach of 1m and a cumulative total of 27m (and to match up perfectly, B&B gets about double the daily streams as mine - again rather shocking considering its release day) So when looking at the chemistry era with a "who wrote/produced this to get it playlisted eye", FKOH (which again is divisive for the stan base) had CRJ as a writer on it, and although it's fallen by the wayside a bit recently, it'll probably end up (eventually) being the most streamed song from the album unless something goes viral or gets a big push. It currently has a playlist reach of 8.5m and a total cumulative of 34m. FKOH wasn't sent to radio either, so its comparative reach is interesting, but it does match up with the hypothesis of "writer/producer names being important for playing the streaming playlist game". But excluding the recent attention lighthouse has received due to radio and digital release, IHL is the other track with "a writer of note" (for a casual music fan) with Nick Jonas on it, and again, it's faired better in the streaming game than the other prerelease / focus tracks. Cumulatively it has had a playlist reach of 18m (but current playlisting is low at about 150k), showing it got more attention at some point than the others, and is still (just) getting more dailiy streams from a chemistry track than anything else excluding mine, me FKOH and lighthouse. While I've always thought DTY was *the* single from the album (and I guess probably should've been dual released with mine - it is only just behind IHL with daily streams), I think, especially for the lead single for the next era, it makes sense to get an eye-catching named writer/producer for streaming to playlist it. Say what we want about RCA, but they knew how to get a hit lead single regardless of the quality. And let's face it, singles are what get people to your concerts, get recurrent streams and build a back catalogue. It's almost like singles are made for the GP and albums for the fans. On a slight tangent, after lots of reflection, I think PBP is my *personal* fave album (with chemistry very close behind). However, it's probably the album with my least fave singles from the material, but with HBS and PBP, the album will continue to grow with recurrent streams and built in 2 core songs for her back catalogue (even if I personally don't use either of them). Obviously Invincible sort of bucks the writer trend I was just talking about, but let's face it LYTF is the better Sia track, plus they probably wanted to do something with RRR before the *situation* with that band's vanity credits. What I will give Atlantic credit for is the way they (and TKCS) have done their job at "rebranding" Kelly as a *singer*, which was REALLY important at that crossroad of her career. The quality of music we've been blessed.mp3 with has been great! (Just the promotion/release strategies have been underwhelming to say the least). So in a (slight) nod against what I've just said, I think for the next era, it's upon Atlantic to NOW focus on getting a "bigger name writer/producer" on a song to release as the lead / second single pre album. Kelly's reputation has definitely been transformed into *singer*, job done ✔️ What they should look to address is the reputation of "not having good enough songs for her" or just purely being a cover artist. I think this next era is time to go for some of the RCA playbook: get a big lead single (and I'm not talking big like when she was in 20s/early 30s but a TRUSTFALL size hit) and then populate the rest of the album with the same quality we've been served with Atlantic. I'd probably say she should experiment with some more producers as well. Two more things (I'm sorta on a lunch break brain cloud fart): • What they did with the MoL release strategy (despite me criticising Atlantic's release strategies) in terms of inviting the media to her house for a party and to get first dibs to use songs was a GREAT idea and I would love her to do that again. I've mentioned before that it's almost criminal that the wayfair commercials don't use any of her music, so there's definitely advertisement opportunities her team *should* go for, and her show getting a theme song of sorts is a nice possibility. But we've also seen how important getting a song in a film/TV show is. BoY became massive in Brazil due to its use in an iconic soap opera scene, Heat managed to get into the morning show (although it didn't make much of an impact, it was something). Look at Natasha and Sophie getting their songs in films recently. There's some potential at a shoehorned one (TTWL always gets more recurrent streams than you'd think every Christmas with Love Actualy). - and re commercials, Stronger benefitted from that Toyota commercial. • The next album, unless things have changed behind the scenes, is the final of the 3 albums in the contract she signed when she moved to Atlantic. I think it's been a harmonious partnership, so I do hope they look to keep her happy to extend with them even if expectations on a commercial side have fallen a bit short. At the end of the day, the WCCA extra album (which grows every year), the Kellyoke EP, the IDY EP and the Ugly Dolls/Hamilton/Greatest Showman songs should more than make up for a lack of "hit singles" (up to now) from a financial point of view. In any case, she did say her team were surprised (positively) at the number of sales chemsitry got… viva the next era, and hopefully we get something Olympic focused! Would be SUCH a missed opportunity if we dont 2
KevinKDC Posted May 6 Posted May 6 On 5/3/2024 at 11:57 AM, BravoTangoWhiskey said: I've been thinking a bit about how Kelly could improve her playlisting for next era. While it's been widely discussed about single choice pre album release (and I think they got those largely wrong if they were looking for a single to push the album - which they might not have been based on the sensitivity of the content for her kiddos). I do, however, think Atlantic were right to release the number of tracks they did for an overall streaming strategy (although as has also been discussed, it probably was an album that would've been well-suited to just being released as a full album experience with no singles especially as nothing took off as a single). That said, despite the number of releases prior to the album launch, none of them playlisted well (which is the primary way to get your music to people's ears in the streaming era) - and we're kinda seeing that with FTJ duet (although how much of a push James' team is giving it / intending to give it I don't know). On that point, I've seen lots of mediocre tracks from artists with their first ever solo, or their lead single releases appearing on TTH straight on release day, and consequently pushing their numbers up *massively*. One thing I did notice when I looked further into *certain* tracks was they were produced or co-written by big names in the industry (see Perrie's song with Ed Sheeran as a writer). I then decided to look further at how artists get their songs playlisted - essentially on Spotify at least, it can only be "new" releases (eg once an album is out the artist can't "send it for consideration for playlisting" - it would have to happen naturally due to a viral moment or something), and I think that could be in part why none of the western countries put FTJ on their NMF playlists. But, when artists send songs for playlist consideration prior to a first time release, Spotify asks for them to give as much detail as possible about who worked on the song (writers and producers) and their other work. Sooo, considering all of this, if we take out SCYHM, Kelly only has ONE song on Spotify with over 100m streams that was released with Atlantic…. And it's… Broken & Beautiful… This is particularly shocking as MoL was released when most of the world outside of the USA had already transitioned to streaming, and then everything else has been released during the streaming era. It's even more shocking when you consider that the some of the fanbase probably don't even think of B&B it's a sort of forgotten song for some. The 100m milestone (a pretty low benchmark for the streaming era) is even more disappointing when it looks like LSS won't make it for another 4 years and I doubt anything from chemistry will within a decade. BUT, the impact of playlisting and recurrent streams for B&B is less strange when you consider that it was written and produced by P!nk and Marshmello (2 names that get attention). It currently has a playlist reach of 2m on Spotify (and had a cumulative total reach of 49m). For comparison, mine has a current reach of 1m and a cumulative total of 27m (and to match up perfectly, B&B gets about double the daily streams as mine - again rather shocking considering its release day) So when looking at the chemistry era with a "who wrote/produced this to get it playlisted eye", FKOH (which again is divisive for the stan base) had CRJ as a writer on it, and although it's fallen by the wayside a bit recently, it'll probably end up (eventually) being the most streamed song from the album unless something goes viral or gets a big push. It currently has a playlist reach of 8.5m and a total cumulative of 34m. FKOH wasn't sent to radio either, so its comparative reach is interesting, but it does match up with the hypothesis of "writer/producer names being important for playing the streaming playlist game". But excluding the recent attention lighthouse has received due to radio and digital release, IHL is the other track with "a writer of note" (for a casual music fan) with Nick Jonas on it, and again, it's faired better in the streaming game than the other prerelease / focus tracks. Cumulatively it has had a playlist reach of 18m (but current playlisting is low at about 150k), showing it got more attention at some point than the others, and is still (just) getting more dailiy streams from a chemistry track than anything else excluding mine, me FKOH and lighthouse. While I've always thought DTY was *the* single from the album (and I guess probably should've been dual released with mine - it is only just behind IHL with daily streams), I think, especially for the lead single for the next era, it makes sense to get an eye-catching named writer/producer for streaming to playlist it. Say what we want about RCA, but they knew how to get a hit lead single regardless of the quality. And let's face it, singles are what get people to your concerts, get recurrent streams and build a back catalogue. It's almost like singles are made for the GP and albums for the fans. On a slight tangent, after lots of reflection, I think PBP is my *personal* fave album (with chemistry very close behind). However, it's probably the album with my least fave singles from the material, but with HBS and PBP, the album will continue to grow with recurrent streams and built in 2 core songs for her back catalogue (even if I personally don't use either of them). Obviously Invincible sort of bucks the writer trend I was just talking about, but let's face it LYTF is the better Sia track, plus they probably wanted to do something with RRR before the *situation* with that band's vanity credits. What I will give Atlantic credit for is the way they (and TKCS) have done their job at "rebranding" Kelly as a *singer*, which was REALLY important at that crossroad of her career. The quality of music we've been blessed.mp3 with has been great! (Just the promotion/release strategies have been underwhelming to say the least). So in a (slight) nod against what I've just said, I think for the next era, it's upon Atlantic to NOW focus on getting a "bigger name writer/producer" on a song to release as the lead / second single pre album. Kelly's reputation has definitely been transformed into *singer*, job done ✔️ What they should look to address is the reputation of "not having good enough songs for her" or just purely being a cover artist. I think this next era is time to go for some of the RCA playbook: get a big lead single (and I'm not talking big like when she was in 20s/early 30s but a TRUSTFALL size hit) and then populate the rest of the album with the same quality we've been served with Atlantic. I'd probably say she should experiment with some more producers as well. Two more things (I'm sorta on a lunch break brain cloud fart): • What they did with the MoL release strategy (despite me criticising Atlantic's release strategies) in terms of inviting the media to her house for a party and to get first dibs to use songs was a GREAT idea and I would love her to do that again. I've mentioned before that it's almost criminal that the wayfair commercials don't use any of her music, so there's definitely advertisement opportunities her team *should* go for, and her show getting a theme song of sorts is a nice possibility. But we've also seen how important getting a song in a film/TV show is. BoY became massive in Brazil due to its use in an iconic soap opera scene, Heat managed to get into the morning show (although it didn't make much of an impact, it was something). Look at Natasha and Sophie getting their songs in films recently. There's some potential at a shoehorned one (TTWL always gets more recurrent streams than you'd think every Christmas with Love Actualy). - and re commercials, Stronger benefitted from that Toyota commercial. • The next album, unless things have changed behind the scenes, is the final of the 3 albums in the contract she signed when she moved to Atlantic. I think it's been a harmonious partnership, so I do hope they look to keep her happy to extend with them even if expectations on a commercial side have fallen a bit short. At the end of the day, the WCCA extra album (which grows every year), the Kellyoke EP, the IDY EP and the Ugly Dolls/Hamilton/Greatest Showman songs should more than make up for a lack of "hit singles" (up to now) from a financial point of view. In any case, she did say her team were surprised (positively) at the number of sales chemsitry got… viva the next era, and hopefully we get something Olympic focused! Would be SUCH a missed opportunity if we dont Agreed with everything you said! I'm really really hoping for another huge hit, just because I feel like she is now known more for being a celebrity and cover artist. People need to be reminded that she can be a huge hitmaker as well. 1
BravoTangoWhiskey Posted May 6 Posted May 6 10 hours ago, KevinKDC said: Agreed with everything you said! I'm really really hoping for another huge hit, just because I feel like she is now known more for being a celebrity and cover artist. People need to be reminded that she can be a huge hitmaker as well. Amen! I also feel like she gets written off too easily and then comes back to smash! (See MLWSWY and Stronger). Really hope Atlantic try to get something to hit with streaming and radio. I also would like her team to "encourage" (within rules) presaves on iTunes and streaming for a new single when it drops. The KCS is such a good platform to really encourage a lot of people to presave. ———- on a different note, there's been some talk of breakaway 20th anniversary around the kellysphere. Hypothetically if it were to happen, what additions would you like to see on it? personally, I'd love the updated Walk Away, even if it's the live one we got with the greatest hits fan club purchase. would also like Go and the odd scrapped song (I guess we can't discuss them), and maybe one or two from My December to bring attention to their greatness
BravoTangoWhiskey Posted May 6 Posted May 6 Oh one more thing On 5/3/2024 at 3:57 PM, BravoTangoWhiskey said: • The next album, unless things have changed behind the scenes, is the final of the 3 albums in the contract she signed when she moved to Atlantic. I think it's been a harmonious partnership, so I do hope they look to keep her happy to extend with them even if expectations on a commercial side have fallen a bit short. At the end of the day, the WCCA extra album (which grows every year), the Kellyoke EP, the IDY EP and the Ugly Dolls/Hamilton/Greatest Showman songs should more than make up for a lack of "hit singles" (up to now) from a financial point of view. In any case, she did say her team were surprised (positively) at the number of sales chemsitry got… viva the next era, and hopefully we get something Olympic focused! Would be SUCH a missed opportunity if we dont On this point, even though she didn't have the streaming numbers, she has the core fanbase (and at an age that still BUYS). Her chemistry debut week numbers are going to be on par with Dua lipa's new release which says a lot about the state of the music industry but also how Atlantic should give her some kudos and push something. and WCCA… will overtake PBP album streams either this year or next, and then once it's ahead it won't be pulled back, so Atlantic have been given a moneymaker there, regardless if it is less than WIR
BravoTangoWhiskey Posted May 7 Posted May 7 Team Kelly let's try and get a KC version of this on an EP can see it being a country radio hit
BravoTangoWhiskey Posted May 8 Posted May 8 Living in delusion that Kelly will do the Olympics closing ceremony in August as it passes on to the next host nation (USA) and that we'll have a summer banger waiting for us due to that 1
BravoTangoWhiskey Posted May 12 Posted May 12 (edited) Loving all the videos from the AC shows! It's made me really realise how criminal it is that we don't have a live album, especially with the work gone in since RCA on "rebranding" her as a singer if they're not ready for a new era any time soon, I would love something like what p!nk did with All I Know So Far, have a live album with a few original songs that didn't fit the vibe of previous albums (and won't fit the next one) anyways, I crave live renditions of the following like stat: walk away miss indy love so soft (the vegas version was so good!) never again piano (updated) already gone live edit: just remembered 1. Atlantic have some of their songs already done with the Belasco and Nashville sessions (so minimal work needed there) 2. If she does do Olympics live thing, would be a great marketing trick to have a live album out just before performance as there will be buzz Edited May 12 by BravoTangoWhiskey
Havoc Posted May 13 Posted May 13 WOW! I feel like her voice is the best its been almost ever. I remember it had a rough patch around the Wrapped in Red/Piece by Piece eras but she seems to have fully bounced back. The clarity 1
Waldi Posted May 13 Posted May 13 Kelly should definitely come back to Europe for the next era. As a fan, it's really hard to understand how she and Gwen haven't toured here for over 10 years or don't take place here at all. :( 2
DEGUOM Posted May 13 Posted May 13 Kelly didn't like the way she looked in the Belasco footage, so they didn't release it in its entirety. She also confirms she's on some type of weight-loss drug (not Ozempic). 1 1
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