Hallad173 Posted June 7, 2022 Posted June 7, 2022 24 minutes ago, SashaDevachelli said: The Platinum Edition of Self Titled that we deserved: -The standard 1-14 tracks -Flawless Remix -Standing On the Sun (Original) -Grown Woman -7/11 -I Been On -Wake Up -Donk -Throw in 1-2 demos of the other songs, like Blow’s unreleased verse, I’d love to hear a demo of Ghost/Haunted Reveal hidden contents And then a separate live album of the MCWT because this list is delusional enough as it is I would cry if we had got these. Maybe we’ll get something for ST’s 10th anniversary??
Hallad173 Posted June 7, 2022 Posted June 7, 2022 I like Halo as a closer because its my cue to order my lyft and start heading out. If not Halo as a closer, then what?
SashaDevachelli Posted June 7, 2022 Posted June 7, 2022 It’s probably too “depressing” as a closer, but I think Otherside is an interesting way to close the show. It’s a little somber but also I think that there is some sort peaceful quality of the track that signifies the beauty of “moving on to a higher calling”. That and her vocals would be heavenly. Or just go the more cheesier route and make XO the closer
ShouldersSideways Posted June 7, 2022 Posted June 7, 2022 10 minutes ago, SashaDevachelli said: It’s probably too “depressing” as a closer, but I think Otherside is an interesting way to close the show. It’s a little somber but also I think that there is some sort peaceful quality of the track that signifies the beauty of “moving on to a higher calling”. That and her vocals would be heavenly. Or just go the more cheesier route and make XO the closer Otherside as the closer sounds like a death threat
SashaDevachelli Posted June 7, 2022 Posted June 7, 2022 I personally enjoy Halo being the closer i don’t get the fandom’s vendetta against it, she always kills it As long as we get some TG tracks sprinkled into the setlist I’ll be a happy camper. The fact that we’re discussing a made up tour as if she’s releasing anytime soon
wren Posted June 7, 2022 Posted June 7, 2022 Yeah I feel she is just taking her time, really enjoying life and going to release next year (or 2024). I think she's waiting for covid to calm down even more world wide; which by 2024 it should be like the 'flu' - so maybe album then and tour in 2025. When it comes though I have a feeling it's going to be a MAJOR moment and will be her defining album. Ugh can't wait.
ShouldersSideways Posted June 7, 2022 Posted June 7, 2022 26 minutes ago, wren said: (or 2024). I think she's waiting for covid to calm down even more world wide; which by 2024 it should be like the 'flu' - so maybe album then and tour in 2025. my god
*-ChriZ-* Posted June 7, 2022 Posted June 7, 2022 36 minutes ago, wren said: Yeah I feel she is just taking her time, really enjoying life and going to release next year (or 2024). I think she's waiting for covid to calm down even more world wide; which by 2024 it should be like the 'flu' - so maybe album then and tour in 2025. When it comes though I have a feeling it's going to be a MAJOR moment and will be her defining album. Ugh can't wait. Covid to calm down? Honey where are u living? As far as im concerned, people everywhere can already do what they want mostly without having to wear a mask. At this rate shes going, we're closer to WWIII than her album. But sure, release the "fun" album when the US declares war to Russia and we have to worry about nuclear weapons. Sounds like a Beyonce thing to do
Triton Posted June 7, 2022 Posted June 7, 2022 2 hours ago, Hallad173 said: I like Halo as a closer because its my cue to order my lyft and start heading out. If not Halo as a closer, then what? Right?! Hear the first 2-3 notes and time to go and beat traffic.
CoralBlue Posted June 7, 2022 Posted June 7, 2022 (edited) 12 hours ago, swissman said: I've said it since last fall, we are not getting the album for a long while...that seemed clear to me. And I am not too bothered about waiting because I put this expectation out of my mind. Each "it's her B'Day, she's gonna release"..."Dec 13th! she's gonna surprise drop!"..."January! It's perfect. Sony has no one releasing"..."March! it's before Q2," etc. etc., only makes you more caught up in the why and when. Just relax. Enjoy the anticipation, if you can. Enjoy the ... 12 or so albums she's put out in the last 25 years. Be glad that Beyoncé is taking her time and not rushing things. Maybe she scrapped it all and will record a new album in 2 weeks? Who knows. But we know that since 2011 Beyoncé has shown she knows exactly what qualité means. And realistically, imagine she released Speak Your Mind right away in 2004/2005 instead of waiting to make B'Day? I know it was a different moment and she had a lot of projects within years of each other for us anyway, but the point is...releasing because it seems like you need/should isn't the way to go. Doing it with passion and purpose is. And tbh this moment in music is kinda altogether boring. I'd rather her release in music peaks than just be the only one doing anything interesting. I totally agree with you. I'm also glad that she takes her time when it comes to projects, to her it's not just an album, it's a whole piece of art, her passion. Almost like a child growing inside of you. I can understand the impatience of the fans, i did mention at another point in this thread that she had been working so much in the past few years, the whole touring, putting together the Gift, recording and editing Black Is King, working on Ivy Park and also on new music. And we forget that she is a mother of 3, she has a family to take care of, she wants to spend time with her children and her husband, seeing them grow up and support them as much as she can. One thing is for sure, when she's back with a new project it will be groundbreaking again, she puts so much time, passion and effort into them. Yes she may have said that she doesn't want to be perfect but i think when it comes to art & music, she is a perfectionist. Edited June 7, 2022 by CoralBlue typos
PrudenceHCharmed Posted June 7, 2022 Posted June 7, 2022 According to Billboard, Harry styles made a total $7 Million revenue thanks to 182K vinyl sold. I could see that this might be the approach that our fav is taking considering she loves money (ST $15 and Lemonade $16) She is going to cater to her adult audiences to spend on vinyl and physical copies me thinks.
PrudenceHCharmed Posted June 7, 2022 Posted June 7, 2022 14 minutes ago, PrudenceHCharmed said: According to Billboard, Harry styles made a total $7 Million revenue thanks to 182K vinyl sold. I could see that this might be the approach that our fav is taking considering she loves money (ST $15 and Lemonade $16) She is going to cater to her adult audiences to spend on vinyl and physical copies me thinks. Just imagine one day when we wake up and she upload a link that direct to her website to pre order her many variants of vinyls.
*-ChriZ-* Posted June 7, 2022 Posted June 7, 2022 (edited) 1 hour ago, CoralBlue said: I totally agree with you. I'm also glad that she takes her time when it comes to projects, to her it's not just an album, it's a whole piece of art, her passion. Almost like a child growing inside of you. I can understand the impatience of the fans, i did mention at another point in this thread that she had been working so much in the past few years, the whole touring, putting together the Gift, recording and editing Black Is King, working on Ivy Park and also on new music. And we forget that she is a mother of 3, she has a family to take care of, she wants to spend time with her children and her husband, seeing them grow up and support them as much as she can. One thing is for sure, when she's back with a new project it will be groundbreaking again, she puts so much time, passion and effort into them. Yes she may have said that she doesn't want to be perfect but i think when it comes to art & music, she is a perfectionist. Groundbreaking a la Gift which according to her was her "most challenging and demanding" project? If there is no plan to increase interest, she can be "groundbreaking" all she wants and nobody will even know As u said, if her goal is to maximize money, then she really needs to ADAPT and stop that stuck-up-elusive **** shes been going for for far too long. The pretty Vinyls wont do her any favor when they remain untouched in stores because people wont care Edited June 7, 2022 by *-ChriZ-*
Doogle Posted June 7, 2022 Posted June 7, 2022 (edited) 2 hours ago, PrudenceHCharmed said: According to Billboard, Harry styles made a total $7 Million revenue thanks to 182K vinyl sold. I could see that this might be the approach that our fav is taking considering she loves money (ST $15 and Lemonade $16) She is going to cater to her adult audiences to spend on vinyl and physical copies me thinks. Yeah and this is the key to another successful album, good streaming or not. I reckon the lead or most popular track will do well but the album could be big with just good vinyl numbers. That's who she should target now, both because her fanbase is older and because vinyl is in now. Edited June 7, 2022 by Doogle
swissman Posted June 7, 2022 Posted June 7, 2022 (edited) 2 hours ago, *-ChriZ-* said: Groundbreaking a la Gift which according to her was her "most challenging and demanding" project? If there is no plan to increase interest, she can be "groundbreaking" all she wants and nobody will even know As u said, if her goal is to maximize money, then she really needs to ADAPT and stop that stuck-up-elusive **** shes been going for for far too long. The pretty Vinyls wont do her any favor when they remain untouched in stores because people wont care who said there would be no plan to increase interest though? applying what she did on side project, collab albums to solo albums seems unfair, as her last two "elusive" solo albums still came with an impeccable rollout relative to her goals for them that at the least included performances shortly before/after the release, and content (full visuals) immediately at the time of launch. I'd add Homecoming too, a project with incredible interest and impact with just 1 documentary release and no significant promo since. I don't think Beyoncé is some cloud-headed business woman who only got lucky two times in a row, she knew what she was doing and part of that was learning from the mistakes of 4. If she considers EIL and The Gift mistakes in any form, or put another way: if she takes key insights about what she did/didn't do there relative to their sales performances, then I don't think we need to worry about much...if indeed you are concerned about sales and all that. We have seen that when it comes to the business end she knows exactly what she is doing, and yes I believe that sometimes includes self-sabotaging for the sake of creating the necessary feeling she wants about the art. Edited June 7, 2022 by swissman
*-ChriZ-* Posted June 7, 2022 Posted June 7, 2022 (edited) 17 minutes ago, swissman said: who said there would be no plan to increase interest though? applying what she did on side project, collab albums to solo albums seems unfair, as her last two "elusive" solo albums still came with an impeccable rollout relative to her goals for them that at the least included performances shortly before/after the release, and content (full visuals) immediately at the time of launch. I'd add Homecoming too, a project with incredible interest and impact with just 1 documentary release and no significant promo since. I don't think Beyoncé is some cloud-headed business woman who only got lucky two times in a row, she knew what she was doing and part of that was learning from the mistakes of 4. If she considers EIL and The Gift mistakes in any form, or put another way: if she takes key insights about what she did/didn't do there relative to their sales performances, then I don't think we need to worry about much...if indeed you are concerned about sales and all that. We have seen that when it comes to the business end she knows exactly what she is doing, and yes I believe that sometimes includes self-sabotaging for the sake of creating the necessary feeling she wants about the art. Be realistic: To Bey, TG wasnt just "a side project". She created an entire film for it, flew to Africa, hired African actors, musicians, etc. The amount of BUDGET these two projects both had (TG and Black Is King) at minimum equal those that Lemonade had. She worked her ass of for TG and it did super poorly due to her own incompetence to "sell" the album properly. On ATRL we can obviously always call it a sideproject, but deep down we are all aware that she did so much more for this project than lets say "4" in comparison Edited June 7, 2022 by *-ChriZ-*
*-ChriZ-* Posted June 7, 2022 Posted June 7, 2022 49 minutes ago, PrudenceHCharmed said: Another day of "quarrelling" over The Gift Its not "quarrelling" - I think we can agree that sonically we all appreciate the songs that came out of it. And of course it's easy to say it was just a "side project", but realistically speaking, this was probably a full on era in Bey's book.
PrudenceHCharmed Posted June 7, 2022 Posted June 7, 2022 54 minutes ago, *-ChriZ-* said: Its not "quarrelling" - I think we can agree that sonically we all appreciate the songs that came out of it. And of course it's easy to say it was just a "side project", but realistically speaking, this was probably a full on era in Bey's book. Regardless of its sales, it was a good album and i kept replaying the album during its release and also the most played album during the pandemic.
*-ChriZ-* Posted June 7, 2022 Posted June 7, 2022 16 minutes ago, Forever Winter said: I mean, she wanted to tour in 2020 after BIK's release. Of course it was a proper era in her mind. And the tea is, BIK/The Gift is actually a studio album. It only gets regarded as a "side project'/"side soundtrack" because of semantics and it's tragic rollout. Exactly, thats why its even more infuriating how bad and botched up that release was. From the confusion, to her not appearing for the true press tour, to no performances, basically no Interviews on the project itself (only that letter she "wrote") This is precisely why I dont buy the "stay calm, she knows what shes doing. She did amazingly for Lemonade and ST". I mean, these statements are true but don't guarantee anything
*-ChriZ-* Posted June 7, 2022 Posted June 7, 2022 (edited) 30 minutes ago, PrudenceHCharmed said: Regardless of its sales, it was a good album and i kept replaying the album during its release and also the most played album during the pandemic. But u realize its a paradoxon, right? She wants to "maximize profit" but is unable to come up with a proper release strategy that doesnt scream "im beyonce, I dont need to do anything, people will check for me anyway" only to get outdebuted by 5SOS she wants stadium tours but doesnt want to do the bare minimum it seems. And the most ironic part is: Her husband always manages to have proper rollouts Edited June 7, 2022 by *-ChriZ-*
suneclipse121 Posted June 7, 2022 Posted June 7, 2022 (edited) Guys I’m not sure how to post a picture from Instagram but there’s this page on there that seems to be a jewelry brand. They posted an email chain with the subject line “BEYONCÉ CONFIDENTIAL VISUAL PROJECT” and Akerlund is one of the people CC’d ?? The Instagram is @mordekaiofficial. Someone who is tech savvy can screenshot it and post it in here? https://www.instagram.com/p/CeezcrQgCs9/?igshid=YmMyMTA2M2Y= Edited June 7, 2022 by suneclipse121
swissman Posted June 7, 2022 Posted June 7, 2022 (edited) 2 hours ago, *-ChriZ-* said: Be realistic: To Bey, TG wasnt just "a side project". She created an entire film for it, flew to Africa, hired African actors, musicians, etc. The amount of BUDGET these two projects both had (TG and Black Is King) at minimum equal those that Lemonade had. She worked her ass of for TG and it did super poorly due to her own incompetence to "sell" the album properly. On ATRL we can obviously always call it a sideproject, but deep down we are all aware that she did so much more for this project than lets say "4" in comparison Maybe "side project" isn't the right word but perhaps something like "passion project" definitely is. It's something she clearly did for the sake of it because she could but it didn't seem like she intended it to take over the world. Or why for the first year of its release did she only release 1.5 music videos within a week and add a little documentary two months later. That's just a little more than the promo Everything is Love had, and that was about it until a year went by and she released a film she never set out to make when she released the music. Compare that to an actual era she put work int outside of the art itself like Formation that had many performances spread out through a year. Though the total work done for Black is King might be more than 4, I wouldn't say that she did "more" for the project overall. Working hard to make a really stunning piece of content and then releasing it is not the same as sustained promotion and attention brought to an album. Run the Word alone more promotion in total than the entirety of Black is King when we look at the various places it was performed around the world (Oprah's final episode, Glastonbury, The BBMAs, X-Factor France, Good Morning America, Roseland, the ITV special not to mention its video premiere American Idol, it's behind-the-scenes content, etc. etc.) and that's not including the other promotional appearances, performances of other songs, specials, magazine covers, interviews, music videos and more. I think visual albums are part of her creative palette now, and her doing one after the fact says it was more about her creative desires than any intention for it to light up the charts. Edited June 7, 2022 by swissman
swissman Posted June 7, 2022 Posted June 7, 2022 The thing is, Beyoncé does know what she's doing. At the very least, she knows what good promotion and a good rollout is. She had to do it for 15+ years. No amount of "she didn't do y for x-side-album" is going to change the fact that if she didn't do it, she didn't want to. At the most she thought she would be fine without it, but okay, it debuted #2. If she cares about that she'll make changes the next time around, if not she'll do as she pleases and we the fans....shockingly...will be forced to care more about the music than whether or not it sells a certain amount.
ShouldersSideways Posted June 7, 2022 Posted June 7, 2022 16 minutes ago, suneclipse121 said: Guys I’m not sure how to post a picture from Instagram but there’s this page on there that seems to be a jewelry brand. They posted an email chain with the subject line “BEYONCÉ CONFIDENTIAL VISUAL PROJECT” and Akerlund is one of the people CC’d ?? The Instagram is @mordekaiofficial. Someone who is tech savvy can screenshot it and post it in here? https://www.instagram.com/p/CeezcrQgCs9/?igshid=YmMyMTA2M2Y= Okay but the real story here is the jeweler is pissed he's being asked to work for free and I don't blame him The B referenced isn't Bey at least, it's Jonas's wife.
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