charts discussion Christina Aguilera’s La Fuerza fails to chart on Billboard 200

[Scars]

10 hours ago, BionicWooHoo said:

Should I stop and only listen to mandopop  because I’m not actually Korean? 

Did you even read the post you quoted? 

 

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I genuinely like Christina and don't see any harm in her exploring that sound [...]

 

Christina can sing about whatever she feels like and you can listen to whatever you want for all I care. It doesn't really change the fact reggaeton, ranchera and guaracha aren't a part of her "heritage" or "culture". 

[Toxic.Latin]

THIS THREAD IS WHAT I NEED AFTER MY COFFEE IN THE MORNING. ITS VERY FUNNY LMAO.

 

[BionicWooHoo]

12 minutes ago, Scars said:

Did you even read the post you quoted? 

 

 

Christina can sing about whatever she feels like and you can listen to whatever you want for all I care. It doesn't really change the fact reggaeton, ranchera and guaracha aren't a part of her "heritage" or "culture". 

 

How is it not part of her culture when she has two Spanish speaking parents? Her father is full on Ecuadorian and in no way white passing. You seem to think that just because Christina is white and American that she cant also be Latina. 
 

Why is it okay for me to say I am embracing my Asian roots and Asian culture by listening to kpop as a Chinese person but not okay for an Ecuadorian woman with two Spanish speaking parents, a non white passing father to say she’s embracing Latin culture by producing a ranchera record (which btw is not a trend, no one is trying to chart w a type of tradition Mexican music…wtf?)? Although I’m sure at this point if xtina made a record with just Ecuadorian producers you’d still try to find some way to drag her 

[Rowan]

17 hours ago, Anticipating said:

Is there any other pop girl who can no longer chart on BB200? She's in a league of her own now 

Nelly Furtado

[ToMmY]

40 minutes ago, BionicWooHoo said:

 

How is it not part of her culture when she has two Spanish speaking parents? Her father is full on Ecuadorian and in no way white passing. You seem to think that just because Christina is white and American that she cant also be Latina. 
 

Why is it okay for me to say I am embracing my Asian roots and Asian culture by listening to kpop as a Chinese person but not okay for an Ecuadorian woman with two Spanish speaking parents, a non white passing father to say she’s embracing Latin culture by producing a ranchera record (which btw is not a trend, no one is trying to chart w a type of tradition Mexican music…wtf?)? Although I’m sure at this point if xtina made a record with just Ecuadorian producers you’d still try to find some way to drag her 

 

Reggaeton = Puerto Rico

Ranchera = Mexico

Guaracha = Cuba

 

I really don't mind her exploring those genres (and I'm sure most latinos don't give a **** either), but let's not act like having an ecuadorian father means you can claim the culture of every latin country as your own.

[Scars]

3 minutes ago, BionicWooHoo said:

 

How is it not part of her culture when she has two Spanish speaking parents? Her father is full on Ecuadorian and in no way white passing. You seem to think that just because Christina is white and American that she cant also be Latina. 
 

Why is it okay for me to say I am embracing my Asian roots and Asian culture by listening to kpop as a Chinese person but not okay for an Ecuadorian woman with two Spanish speaking parents, a non white passing father to say she’s embracing Latin culture by producing a ranchera record (which btw is not a trend, no one is trying to chart w a type of tradition Mexican music…wtf?)? Although I’m sure at this point if xtina made a record with just Ecuadorian producers you’d still try to find some way to drag her 

 

I'm not "dragging" Christina and I'm not even debating her ethnicity. This conversation is so frustrating because you clearly see Latin America as a monolith, completely ignore it's diversity and fail to understand the racial, ethnic and regional dynamics within the region. 

 

You don't see people claiming a canadian male artist like Justin Bieber is trying to "connect" with his "heritage" and "culture" when he releases music influenced by trap, hiphop, R&B or any other american urban genre, despite the fact that he was born in North America and grew up in a english-speaking household. Why? Most people are able to understand that even though he is from a north american country, there's a racial and ethnic dynamic within the region and those genres are historically connected to the culture created by black people living in the United States. It seems that not being seeing as a monolith is a privilege to western continents.

 

Christina's father in a non-black man from Ecuador born in the 1940s who moved to the US very young. What exactly is his cultural connection to reggaeton, a genre heavily influenced by *black people* from *Puerto Rico* living in the poor areas of San Juan *decades later*? I'm sure you're not going to find much from her white american mother who speaks spanish as a second language neither. Reggaeton is NOT a part of Christina's upbringing. The same applies to guaracha cubana and ranchera mexicana.

 

Again, I don't have a problem with her experimenting those sounds and that's not even my point in here, but I'm not going to sit and hear americans trying to tell me literally every cultural scene going on in a diverse region with over 20 countries and countless ethnicities are a part of a white american woman's "heritage" because of her ecuadorian father. Christina's mom has dutch ancestry, you might as well say she should embrace her culture by releasing an entire album singing South Africa afrikaans music genres next time.  

[Scars]

43 minutes ago, toxicgenie said:

Ok i'm going assume you are not American-Latino and 40 years old or older.

 

In America, ALL Latinos under a certain age, 40/45 have a pan-Latino identity AND identity from their ancestral country, Plus American identity.

 

Like the majority of Latinos under 40 listen to reggaeton, no mater their background. Do you think only Puerto Ricans are going to see Bad Bunny at stadiums in LA/SD? 

I'm actually 24. That awkward moment you set an age range to make your point but forgot Christina turns 42 later this year. 

No one has claimed only puerto ricans listen to reggaeton in this thread, it's obviously the most popular latin genre right now. That's not what was being discussed. 

Edited February 2, 2022 by Scars

[Theshigo Washidu]

That's just tragic. Even Jordin Sparks' last album charted on the BB200  

[toxicgenie]

43 minutes ago, Scars said:

I'm actually 24. That awkward moment you set an age range to make your point but forgot Christina turns 42 later this year. 

No one has claimed only puerto ricans listen to reggaeton in this thread, it's obviously the most popular latin genre right now. That's not what was being discussed. 

not with that narrow-mindedness. I don't believe you.  

 

[Walk_Away21]

@Reverse Warholian howling at the random fumes in this thread and the Britney mods not giving a **** with their selective moderating To be clear I love a good messy thread, but every other thread on ATRL is now moderated like North Korea and then when it comes to Xtina its open season.

[genio]

29 minutes ago, St. Francis said:

That's just tragic. Even Jordin Sparks' last album charted on the BB200  

Neither her last album nor EP charted on the BB200, why are we lying now

 

[Watson]

Strihm pls, so my poor fave can feed her children next week 

 

She did not go and release some of her best material for this ungratefulness. 

[BionicWooHoo]

3 hours ago, Scars said:

 

I'm not "dragging" Christina and I'm not even debating her ethnicity. This conversation is so frustrating because you clearly see Latin America as a monolith, completely ignore it's diversity and fail to understand the racial, ethnic and regional dynamics within the region. 

 

You don't see people claiming a canadian male artist like Justin Bieber is trying to "connect" with his "heritage" and "culture" when he releases music influenced by trap, hiphop, R&B or any other american urban genre, despite the fact that he was born in North America and grew up in a english-speaking household. Why? Most people are able to understand that even though he is from a north american country, there's a racial and ethnic dynamic within the region and those genres are historically connected to the culture created by black people living in the United States. It seems that not being seeing as a monolith is a privilege to western continents.

 

Christina's father in a non-black man from Ecuador born in the 1940s who moved to the US very young. What exactly is his cultural connection to reggaeton, a genre heavily influenced by *black people* from *Puerto Rico* living in the poor areas of San Juan *decades later*? I'm sure you're not going to find much from her white american mother who speaks spanish as a second language neither. Reggaeton is NOT a part of Christina's upbringing. The same applies to guaracha cubana and ranchera mexicana.

 

Again, I don't have a problem with her experimenting those sounds and that's not even my point in here, but I'm not going to sit and hear americans trying to tell me literally every cultural scene going on in a diverse region with over 20 countries and countless ethnicities are a part of a white american woman's "heritage" because of her ecuadorian father. Christina's mom has dutch ancestry, you might as well say she should embrace her culture by releasing an entire album singing South Africa afrikaans music genres next time.  

You act like thats a completely ridiculous concept but its really not. I don't know if you know this Christina also has relatives known as *gasp* grandparents. You know, they're the parents of your parents. Fascinating concept. 

You clearly do have a problem with her experimenting with those sounds because you keep saying its her "chasing trends." If shes chasing trends, why not release a whole album of reggae? Why ranchera? You literally keep ignoring that Christina recorded La Reina knowing full well that it wasnt going to make waves in a currently reggae dominated field. Furthermore, you also ignore the fact that shes BEEN releasing music in Spanish for years. When she released Casa de Mi Padre in 2012 was that also chart chasing? When she collabed with Andrea Bocceli for Somos Novios in 2006, what trend was she chasing then? What trend inspired her to sing in Spanish in 2013 for Hoy Tengo Ganas de Ti? 

You sound like one of those twitter SJWS who would throw a tantrum and cry cultural appropriation for me wearing a hanbok to a Korean friend's celebration or singing a traditional trot song lmaoo "Asians aren't a MONOLITH!!! How dare you feel closeness and solidarity with other Asians when you partake in Asian culture when you are only just Chinese and an AMERICAN one at that!?!" 

[Theshigo Washidu]

1 hour ago, genio said:

Neither her last album nor EP charted on the BB200, why are we lying now

 

Right Here Right Now - #161

 

[XAMJ]

1 hour ago, Walk_Away21 said:

@Reverse Warholian howling at the random fumes in this thread and the Britney mods not giving a **** with their selective moderating To be clear I love a good messy thread, but every other thread on ATRL is now moderated like North Korea and then when it comes to Xtina its open season.

Drag them sis. I said a comment about britney and next u know i have a WP 

[genio]

6 minutes ago, St. Francis said:

Right Here Right Now - #161

 

that's her 3rd album released in 2015. Christina charted at #6 in 2018 with her last album. Y'all gotta troll better.

 

[Scars]

1 hour ago, toxicgenie said:

not with that narrow-mindedness. I don't believe you.  

 

...ok? whatever helps you sleep at night. 

 

[SinnerCity]

Wait a minute, why did you guys turned this charts thread into a Christina is a person of colour type of conversation? Isn't this Christina's father? How is this man a person of color 

 

 

Christina is as white as it gets and just like her, a million of white latinos too. Educate yourself people, latinos are not all black

Edited February 2, 2022 by SinnerCity

[Theshigo Washidu]

8 minutes ago, genio said:

that's her 3rd album released in 2015. Christina charted at #6 in 2018 with her last album. Y'all gotta troll better.

 

And yet she's barely charting now. The same lady who released Stripped and has iconic hits under her belt. A Katy tea.

Edited February 2, 2022 by St. Francis

[genio]

4 minutes ago, St. Francis said:

A Katy tea.

Both pop ICONS who never need another single to chart. See when you cement your status early on. Katy and Xtina, you will always be famous.

 

[Theshigo Washidu]

11 minutes ago, genio said:

Both pop ICONS who never need another single to chart. See when you cement your status early on. Katy and Xtina, you will always be famous.

 

If you say so 

 

 

[Blankspace2010]

On 1/31/2022 at 8:28 PM, Xtripped said:

Honestly somebody expected Xtina to chart with an EP with 6 songs in spanish and no physicals? Not even her stans...

 

DO BETTER ATRL!

Girl you’re setting the bar to Karaoke singer. 200 is literally 1000-2000 purchases. Like doesn’t she have like at least 100-200 family and close friends and then like 800 fans that could buy it? Like this is totally tragic. 

[Scars]

 

1 hour ago, BionicWooHoo said:

You clearly do have a problem with her experimenting with those sounds because you keep saying its her "chasing trends." If shes chasing trends, why not release a whole album of reggae? Why ranchera? You literally keep ignoring that Christina recorded La Reina knowing full well that it wasnt going to make waves in a currently reggae dominated field. Furthermore, you also ignore the fact that shes BEEN releasing music in Spanish for years. When she released Casa de Mi Padre in 2012 was that also chart chasing? When she collabed with Andrea Bocceli for Somos Novios in 2006, what trend was she chasing then? What trend inspired her to sing in Spanish in 2013 for Hoy Tengo Ganas de Ti? 

You sound like one of those twitter SJWS who would throw a tantrum and cry cultural appropriation for me wearing a hanbok to a Korean friend's celebration or singing a traditional trot song lmaoo "Asians aren't a MONOLITH!!! How dare you feel closeness and solidarity with other Asians when you partake in Asian culture when you are only just Chinese and an AMERICAN one at that!?!" 

 

"Keep saying?" ...what? I only mentioned *once* that she went with what's hot right now in latin music for Santo and it's true, hun. I didn't "ignore" La Reina, I'm pretty sure my first post in this thread was quoting a member who mentioned this song. I literally mentioned ranchera in the post you just quoted.  

 

No, I do not have a problem with Christina experimenting latin sounds regardless of how much you seem to believe I do. In fact, I made a couple of positive posts about Santo in it's music thread here on ATRL some weeks ago. American stans like yourself being ignorant about Latam music, culture and heritage is what bothered me. 

 

You keep on that tired "You have a problem with her making latin music!!!", "you're crying over cultural appropriation!!" or "why can't she do this or that??" note every single time. No, you being upset because I factually explained why those particular latin music genres aren't a part of Christina's "heritage" - which is my point - is what actually started this discourse. You clearly don't have the knowledge and depth to discuss latinidad so please stop deflecting and throwing words until it sticks.

 

For someone that claims to have a probably with "SJWs" and people being "emotional" while discussing a topic, you seem to base your talking points on assumptions A LOT. Your last paragraph has zero to do with any of my posts you quoted. I do not care about your asian ancestry, your resentment towads "Sjws", what you wear or what type of music you listen. Awkward. 

 

I'm done btw, there's really nothing substantial to take from here at this point. 

Edited February 2, 2022 by Scars

[Xtripped]

35 minutes ago, Blankspace2010 said:

Girl you’re setting the bar to Karaoke singer. 200 is literally 1000-2000 purchases. Like doesn’t she have like at least 100-200 family and close friends and then like 800 fans that could buy it? Like this is totally tragic. 

She sold 4k copies and still missed the top 200. Again no physicals, announced like a week before and she still sold 2k digital copies, who the hell even buys digital albums?

[simmnfierzig]

1 hour ago, Blankspace2010 said:

Girl you’re setting the bar to Karaoke singer. 200 is literally 1000-2000 purchases. Like doesn’t she have like at least 100-200 family and close friends and then like 800 fans that could buy it? Like this is totally tragic. 

#200 is in the 6k units range

 

And her selling 2k digitals of this 6 song EP is really pretty good. 500k streams average per song is not that great though