charts discussion HDD: 30 increases to 205k

[GreatestLoveofAll]

10 minutes ago, OnlyManInTheWorld said:

It’s easy to sell that much when your label overshipped and you’re being shoved down people’s throats

?? she's been MIA since November 19th bye 

[simmnfierzig]

8 hours ago, Agenor said:

Why not just compare the albums that were released in the similar time frame?

Adele's 21 was bigger than "Speak Now" (and "Fearless"), 25 was bigger than "1989" and now 30 sold more in 5 weeks than "Evermore" did in a year. So whenever Adele releases she outsells the previous album by Taylor.

And what about 19?

 

Yes 21 was an insane peak. One of the highest peaks ever. Taylor cant compete with that

 

1989 is catching up to 25 and without Taylor's version would certainly pass it in a few years. It's now 11M vs 12.5M, with again 1989 having moved over 500k this year. Yeah 25 is currently higher on the BB200, because of the release of 30. Not going to last

 

Year end charts

1989

2014 - 3

2015 - 1

2016 - 17

2017 - 101

2018 - 82

2019 - 116

2020 - 105

2021 - 88

 

25

2016 - 1

2017 - 26

2018 - 119

2019 - na

2020 - na

2021 - na

 

And 30 will take some time to outsell folklore, but yeah it probably will sometime next year.

It's really a shame, but evermore was seen as b-sides of folklore by a lot of people

 

Edited December 26, 2021 by simmnfierzig

[Carrie-is-no-1]

40 minutes ago, OnlyManInTheWorld said:

It’s easy to sell that much when your label overshipped 

What is this argument  did xmas candy knock some sense out of you?

[simmnfierzig]

36 minutes ago, GreatestLoveofAll said:

?? she's been MIA since November 19th bye 

I think the displays in stores being there is what was meant. It certainly helps some with her sales, but probably not super much

 

 

[georgechxng]

44 minutes ago, Paola Bracho said:

...by completely disappearing after the album release? Try to make some sense.

They're embarassing themselves at this point 

[PopFan1996]

18 minutes ago, simmnfierzig said:

And what about 19?

 

Yes 21 was an insane peak. One of the highest peaks ever. Taylor cant compete with that

 

1989 is catching up to 25 and without Taylor's version would certainly pass it in a few years. It's now 11M vs 12.5M, with again 1989 having moved over 500k this year. Yeah 25 is currently higher on the BB200, because of the release of 30. Not going to last

 

Year end charts

1989

2014 - 3

2015 - 1

2016 - 17

2017 - 101

2018 - 82

2019 - 116

2020 - 105

2021 - 88

 

25

2016 - 1

2017 - 26

2018 - 119

2019 - na

2020 - na

2021 - na

 

And 30 will take some time to outsell folklore. 

It's really a shame, but evermore was seen as b-sides of folklore by a lot of people

 

So you're saying 25 is charting higher just because of 30 release but forgot to mention the same for Taylor's 1989? She released in 2014, 2017, 2019, 2020 and 2021 while being active and promoting in most of the years in between as well  Do you realize that if Taylor took a hiatus of 6 years OUT of the public eyes none of her albums would be charting right? The pattern is right in front of your eyes but you chose to forget your logic and use your bias to prove something wrong.

But you just ended up proving our point that releasing frequently impact the whole catalog. Thank you

Edited December 26, 2021 by PopFan1996

[rihannabiggestfan]

"being shoved down people’s throats" is the DEFINITION of the pot calling the kettle black, ho my god!

[GreatestLoveofAll]

9 minutes ago, simmnfierzig said:

I think the displays in stores being there is what was meant. It certainly helps some with her sales, but probably not super much

 

 

Is that it? Displays? 

[georgechxng]

3 hours ago, Artistofthedecade said:

Sour already has over 6M units?

So no, she can't compete with these numbers or artists if we go by current body of works. 

Why are we using chartmasters numbers when 30 hasn't even be updated over there  but ok - let's use them. SOUR is 7 months old. 30 is gonna cross 4M in 6 weeks (prob 5M using the chartmasters formula)  it's gonna outsell it in the blink of an eye - so yeah not only can she compete with those artists - she can OUTSELL them. not commenting on WWAFA because the fact that you want her to be outselling an album released over TWO years ago with a month of tracking says a lot about how desperate you are to try to prove your delusional point  she already outsold HTE aka Billie's current body of work so you make no sense. You should be worried about Olivia outselling Folklore on US and globally when that album has been out for over a year 

Edited December 26, 2021 by georgechxng

[PopFan1996]

Just now, georgechxng said:

Why are we using chartmasters numbers  but ok - let's use them. SOUR is 7 months old. 30 is gonna cross 4M in 6 weeks (prob 5M using the chartmasters formula)  it's gonna outsell it in the blink of an eye - so yeah not only can she compete with those artists - she can OUTSELL them. not commenting on WWAFA because the fact that you want her to be outselling an album released over TWO years ago with a month of tracking says a lot about how desperate you are to try to prove your delusional point  she already outsold HTE aka Billie's current body of work so you make no sense. You should be worried about Olivia outselling Folklore on US and globally when that album has been out over a year 

I can't wait for ChartMasters to update 30's sales when it's all said and done

The fuming in this website will be crazy

[simmnfierzig]

2 minutes ago, PopFan1996 said:

So you're saying 25 is charting higher just because of 30 release but forgot to mention the same for Taylor's 1989? She released in 2014, 2017, 2019, 2020 and 2021 while being active and promoting in most of those years as well  Do you realize that if Taylor took a hiatus of 6 years OUT of the public eyes none of her albums would be charting right? The pattern is right in front of your eyes but you choose to forget your logic and use your bias to prove something wrong.

You're just proving our point that releasing frequently impact the whole catalog. Thank you

Lover was released at the very end of the 2019 Billboard year, reputation at the very end of the 2017 year, so those had very little impact.

 

And seems very unlikely that 25 even got enough of a sustained boost to make the 2022 year end and that is with her release boost being split over way fewer albums. 

Releasing boosts the catalog, yes. The degrees on different catalogs are very different

 

Idk what would happen if Taylor took a 6 year break. That 3 year break between 1989 and reputation already felt like an eternity

 

 

 

And sure Adele potentially could be doing bigger numbers, but she is setting her release schedule. I really dont get why she gets this special treatment 

[GreatestLoveofAll]

What special treatment?? No one is applauding Adele for taking a damn decade to release a 12-track album 

[PopFan1996]

5 minutes ago, georgechxng said:

Why are we using chartmasters numbers when 30 hasn't even be updated over there  but ok - let's use them. SOUR is 7 months old. 30 is gonna cross 4M in 6 weeks (prob 5M using the chartmasters formula)  it's gonna outsell it in the blink of an eye - so yeah not only can she compete with those artists - she can OUTSELL them. not commenting on WWAFA because the fact that you want her to be outselling an album released over TWO years ago with a month of tracking says a lot about how desperate you are to try to prove your delusional point  she already outsold HTE aka Billie's current body of work so you make no sense. You should be worried about Olivia outselling Folklore on US and globally when that album has been out for over a year 

And btw Sour already outsold Folklore according to ChartMasters

 

https://chartmasters.org/2021/08/olivia-rodrigo-albums-and-songs-sales/

https://chartmasters.org/2021/05/taylor-swift-albums-and-songs-sales/

[Hot Volcano]

15 minutes ago, PopFan1996 said:

So you're saying 25 is charting higher just because of 30 release but forgot to mention the same for Taylor's 1989? She released in 2014, 2017, 2019, 2020 and 2021 while being active and promoting in most of the years in between as well  Do you realize that if Taylor took a hiatus of 6 years OUT of the public eyes none of her albums would be charting right? The pattern is right in front of your eyes but you chose to forget your logic and use your bias to prove something wrong.

But you just ended up proving our point that releasing frequently impact the whole catalog. Thank you

Ikr? The lack of logic, I-

 

1989 will never catch up to 25.

[Steve Johnson]

12 minutes ago, PopFan1996 said:

But you just ended up proving our point that releasing frequently impact the whole catalog. Thank you

Releasing more albums can't make you chart 8/9 albums consistently on billboard 200 chart. Then why these kind od catalogue boost is not working for Ariana's albums who released 6 album + countless features in such a small career, her older albums are nowhere to be seen on charts. Same for Gaga, Rihanna( for her 1st 7 years) and others.

 

There shpuld be interest in your discography to chart, releasing albums can boost your album charts for 1 or 2 weeks, not forever. 

[PopFan1996]

3 minutes ago, Steve Johnson said:

Releasing more albums can't make you chart 8/9 albums consistently on billboard 200 chart. Then why these kind od catalogue boost is not working for Ariana's albums who released 6 album + countless features in such a small career, her older albums are nowhere to be seen on charts. Same for Gaga, Rihanna( for her 1st 7 years) and others.

 

There shpuld be interest in your discography to chart, releasing albums can boost your album charts for 1 or 2 weeks, not forever. 

IT does for BIG ACTS. Absolutely. Key word : big act

It gives a boost to all their catalog just like how Adele charted all her catalog when she released 30 and still charting

Edited December 26, 2021 by PopFan1996

[Steve Johnson]

9 minutes ago, georgechxng said:

You should be worried about Olivia outselling Folklore on US and globally when that album has been out for over a year 

Yes, we all know Sour is insanely successful. But it's her debut, give her some time. By the time when she will release her 8th project, we'll see that project will be as successful as folklore or not. Time will tell. 

[Steve Johnson]

Just now, PopFan1996 said:

IT does for BIG ACTS. Absolutely. Key word : big act

It gives a boost to all your catalog just like how Adele charted all her catalog when she released 30 and still charting

Ariana, Beiber and gaga are small acts. Wow, I didn't know that. 

[simmnfierzig]

3 minutes ago, GreatestLoveofAll said:

What special treatment?? No one is applauding Adele for taking a damn decade to release a 12-track album 

The special treatment of "oooooooh no its super unfair to compare Taylor's totals to Adele's totals" when they are 32 and 33 years old and started their careers at the end of 2006 and the beginning of 2008

 

4 minutes ago, Hot Volcano said:

Ikr? The lack of logic, I-

 

1989 will never catch up to 25.

Yeah because Taylor's version will kill it 

[georgechxng]

11 minutes ago, PopFan1996 said:

I can't wait for ChartMasters to update 30's sales when it's all said and done

The fuming in this website will be crazy

Hopefully they will update it soon. The +3M pure will be a COLLAPSE 

[georgechxng]

5 minutes ago, simmnfierzig said:

Yeah because Taylor's version will kill it 

Not because of that... but because it's simply impossible? 1989 moved like 800-900k units this year with Taylor being active. In order for it to match 25's CURRENT numbers, 1989 would have to sell that amount of units with no decrease for 11/12 years but even then 25 would probably be already sitting at +35M at the very least 

Edited December 26, 2021 by georgechxng

[Steve Johnson]

2 minutes ago, georgechxng said:

Hopefully they will update it soon. The +3M pure will be a COLLAPSE 

It must have crossed 3 million pure or it should be near that mark. 

 

But don't give credits to chartnasters. They are incredibly fake which never count Asian countries properly. 

[Donquizote]

1 hour ago, OnlyManInTheWorld said:

It’s easy to sell that much when your label overshipped and you’re being shoved down people’s throats

I hope you are trolling with this post

[WildHeart]

13 minutes ago, georgechxng said:

Why are we using chartmasters numbers when 30 hasn't even be updated over there 

You can use any source that doesn’t tell less units than it's Spotify units 

 

14 minutes ago, georgechxng said:

not commenting on WWAFA because the fact that you want her to be outselling an album released over TWO years ago with a month of tracking says a lot about how desperate you are to try to prove your delusional point 

Who did talk about 30 catching WWAFAS? It won't reach same units after 2 years either if it follows 25's run.

 

15 minutes ago, georgechxng said:

You should be worried about Olivia outselling Folklore on US and globally when that album has been out for over a year 

Why would i, Olivia is not threatening #1 most consumed female artist of the year spot. She is more of a threat for #2 spot. The artist who is competing for that spot and their fans can worry about that instead 

 

4 minutes ago, PopFan1996 said:

It gives a boost to all their catalog just like how Adele charted all her catalog when she released 30 and still charting

For like a month or two, yes. Adele's catalogue numbers already down to almost pre-30 era numbers. It doesn’t give permanent boost. 

 

Also biggest artist of streaming, Drake's catalogue is getting less streams after CLB than it was doing pre-CLB. 

[Steve Johnson]

Just now, georgechxng said:

Not because of that... but because it's simply impossible? 1989 moved like 800-900k units this year with Taylor being active. In order for it to match 25's CURRENT numbers, 1989 would have to sell that amount of units with no decrease for 11/12 years but even then 25 would probably be already sitting at +35M 

I think that user was talking about USA only but that is impossible too with 1989 tv coming.