charts discussion HDD: Adele 833k (biggest debut of the year), Taylor 165k

[Cleanromantic]

25 opened with 3.3 million  30s debut week is barely above a fourth of that number. And The Adele to Taylor are not in the same situation at all:

Adele is a universally loved and revered figure, Taylor is polarising and has gone through multiple backlash eras, Adele releases every 5/6 years and commands attention for a short period of time then disappears, Taylor is omnipresent in the public eye, Adele is coddled, Taylor is denigrated... That Adele is doing Lover/folklore numbers while being the omnipotent powerful star that she is is very shocking . But the way they're perceived is what shaped their musical journeys so far: Taylor is always challenged so she always has to outdo and reinvent herself and work hard to sway the media and the public to her corner, Adele is adored and rewarded for her every move which made her comfortably release the same album over and over again without reinvention, and it looks like it finally caught up to her. No amount of critical acclaim caused by Poptimism and hype will mask the fact that this is a huge decline. 

[Elusive Chanteuse]

1 hour ago, Anna-Artdeco said:

The mighty Adele isn’t mighty anymore. These are simpleton numbers. They’re obviously super good but y’all been running your mouths about “Adelecalypse” and how “she’ll wash all our faves” 

 

She didn’t wash anyone. Least of all Taylor. She’s sitting pretty pulling massive numbers with multiple releases in a year. Adele’s doing 800K after all that humongous promo and a 6 year break lol. 
 

And anybody who’s acting like these numbers aren’t a disappointment are lying. 

She washed everyone but Taylor swift. These are not simpleton numbers. 

[Elusive Chanteuse]

6 minutes ago, Cleanromantic said:

25 opened with 3.3 million  30s debut week is barely above a fourth of that number. And The Adele to Taylor are not in the same situation at all:

Adele is a universally loved and revered figure, Taylor is polarising and has gone through multiple backlash eras, Adele releases every 5/6 years and commands attention for a short period of time then disappears, Taylor is omnipresent in the public eye, Adele is coddled, Taylor is denigrated... That Adele is doing Lover/folklore numbers while being the omnipotent powerful star that she is is very shocking . But the way they're perceived is what shaped their musical journeys so far: Taylor is always challenged so she always has to outdo and reinvent herself and work hard to sway the media and the public to her corner, Adele is adored and rewarded for her every move which made her comfortably release the same album over and over again without reinvention, and it looks like it finally caught up to her. No amount of critical acclaim caused by Poptimism and hype will mask the fact that this is a huge decline. 

So poptimism isn’t why Taylor swift is also acclaimed? 

[QueenofCopyPaste]

13 minutes ago, Badgalbriel said:

Is 833k the final number? I was actually expecting it to pull like 900k

Its not yet the final number

[Hot Volcano]

31 minutes ago, Squall said:

Judging by this, you are the one reaching. It's nothing new that some people use Adele to attack Taylor, just look at Sazare (a Carly stan).

You are reading too much into it. Taylor is the closest artist to Adele's level, that doesn't mean every other stanbase should shut the **** up and not say a word cuz their faves are not on the same level. It doesn't work like that

 

Can't wait for the final numbers tonight, hoping for 850k.

[PopFan1996]

8 minutes ago, Elusive Chanteuse said:

She didn’t wash anyone. Least of all Taylor. She’s sitting pretty pulling massive numbers with multiple releases in a year. Adele’s doing 800K after all that humongous promo and a 6 year break lol. 

She actually washed everyone in this climax when it comes to SPS. It's a fact and numbers don't lie.

Also a 6 years break hurts more than benefits ( most fans just give up after a long break like that ) so quit with that argument already

[PopFan1996]

3 hours ago, KeshaSwift said:

It's currently outstreaming your fave's lead single from her hotly anticipated album after a 6 year hiatus. Mind you it's a 9 year old 10 minute song 

 

Last time I checked it's not outstreaming it? Even when you combine both versions. 

 

EOM - 57.2M
 

All Too Well combined -40.7M

https://spotifycharts.com/regional/global/weekly/latest

So idk what are you talking about?

Considering EOM was released over a month ago and ATW TV is barely two weeks old, this isn't the drag you thought it was.

 

Edited November 26, 2021 by PopFan1996

[Cleanromantic]

16 minutes ago, Elusive Chanteuse said:

So poptimism isn’t why Taylor swift is also acclaimed? 

It's not. I do admit that Red TV and Fearless TV were affected by it, but they were already acclaimed to begin with, and they deserved higher metacritic scores than they originally got anyways. Other than that, Red and 1989 were some of the most acclaimed albums of the last decade, and folklore was one of the most acclaimed albums of 2020. By comparison, the only acclaimed Adele album is 21 (deservedly so, it is a great album), and it doesn't even measure up to Red and 1989 in that department. 25 barely made any year end lists and didn't make any decade end lists although it had similar reviews to Taylor's albums. 30 will have the same fate.

Edited November 26, 2021 by Cleanromantic

[Squall]

10 minutes ago, Hot Volcano said:

You are reading too much into it. Taylor is the closest artist to Adele's level, that doesn't mean every other stanbase should shut the **** up and not say a word cuz their faves are not on the same level. It doesn't work like that

 

Can't wait for the final numbers tonight, hoping for 850k.

No I'm not, these two people are the biggest OTH of this site.  

 

34 minutes ago, Gaia said:

I'm not denying SOME people do. But throughout this entire week, ANYONE who prefers Adele over Taylor or just isn't up Taylor's ass is credited as an OTH who is hiding behind Adele. Someone in this thread called me and Ariana stan hiding behind Adele to bash Taylor when:

I was definitely not talking about you though. That member they were talking about is clearly an annoying and obsessed troll.

Edited November 26, 2021 by Squall

[Cruel Summer]

26 minutes ago, Badgalbriel said:

Is 833k the final number? I was actually expecting it to pull like 900k

833k is HDD’s final estimate before they went on holiday for Thanksgiving. We’ll probably get their final number today, and Billboard’s will likely be slightly different.

[Elusive Chanteuse]

13 minutes ago, Cleanromantic said:

It's not. I do admit that Red TV and Fearless TV were affected by it, but they were already acclaimed to begin with, and they deserved higher metacritic scores than they originally got anyways. Other than that, Red and 1989 were some of the most acclaimed albums of the last decade, and folklore was one of the most acclaimed albums of 2020. By comparison, the only acclaimed Adele album is 21 (deservedly so, it is a great album), and it doesn't even measure up to Red and 1989 in that department. 25 barely made any year end lists and didn't make any decade end lists although it had similar reviews to Taylor's albums. 30 will have the same fate.

Who cares though? Didn’t Adele win Grammys voted on by her peers for albums that didn’t appear on critics list? 

[Cleanromantic]

3 minutes ago, Elusive Chanteuse said:

Who cares though? Didn’t Adele win Grammys voted on by her peers for albums that didn’t appear on critics list? 

The Grammy's are not representative of quality, they're just a politics game. And it's obvious 25 won because of its commercial success. (1989 did too, but it's still a very well received album.)

[georgechxng]

She's insane 

 

The biggest debut of the last 4 years and biggest female debut ever since 25 on UK, Australia, Irish, Germany and so many other countries 

 

I wonder how many units she sold globally on its first week. This is gonna easily clear 10M when it's all said and done. Maybe even 15M. Nobody can do it like her.

Edited November 26, 2021 by georgechxng

[JawBreaker]

Sure Jan 

[Cap10Planet]

1 hour ago, Cleanromantic said:

It's not. I do admit that Red TV and Fearless TV were affected by it, but they were already acclaimed to begin with, and they deserved higher metacritic scores than they originally got anyways. Other than that, Red and 1989 were some of the most acclaimed albums of the last decade, and folklore was one of the most acclaimed albums of 2020. By comparison, the only acclaimed Adele album is 21 (deservedly so, it is a great album), and it doesn't even measure up to Red and 1989 in that department. 25 barely made any year end lists and didn't make any decade end lists although it had similar reviews to Taylor's albums. 30 will have the same fate.

Lies. 25 made several year-end lists.  It was the #10 most acclaimed album on year-end in 2015 - the only pop album in the top 10 that year, beating out Carly Rae Jepsen.

https://www.metacritic.com/feature/critics-pick-top-10-best-albums-of-2015

 

What you're not going to do is try Adele with lies. 30 is an acclaimed album and will be all over year-end lists. Decade-end is yet to be seen.  There are still 8+ years before we can talk about some decade's end lists.  And 30 is NOT the same album as 25, 21 or 19, and all of the critics have acknowledged that, even the mixed ones.

 

Edited November 26, 2021 by Cap10Planet

[dylanx]

2 hours ago, Gaia said:

I love how there are 0 people who genuinely interested in Adele. Everything is a conspiracy against Taylor. Like fave like stan. Always the center of the universe and constantly acting like victims

 

Lana's last album opened with 33,000 sales. 

 

Adele will sell 25x more than that. She certainly did wash Lana. 

 

2 hours ago, Blue Honeymoon said:

A 6 year break would kill any artist's carreer not named Michael Jackson or Adele. Taking a huge break as a pop artist is the biggest risk an artist can take regarding his popularity and relevancy. There's a reason why Taylor as soon as she hit 30 years old began releasing albums and "for the fans" songs like pancakes; she knows that the moment she decides to take a long break is game over for her.

 

And Adele didn't wash anyone? Didn't Adele outsell Lana's last album total sales within 1 day of 30 being released?

 

 

 

 

[fridayteenage]

https://hitsdailydouble.com/news&id=329387&title=CHART-PREVIEW%3A-ADELE-STREAMS-AHEAD

 

Adele's 30 (Columbia) scores the year's biggest debut by at least 200k. 30 will also become the sixth- or seventh-most-streamed album by a female artist, with U.S. streams expected to finish close to 200m. The wizard known as Taylor Swift holds down three of the Top 5 on that list:

Ariana Grande, thank u, next (Republic): 360m
Taylor Swift, Red (Taylor's Version) (Republic): 281m
Olivia Rodrigo, SOUR (Geffen): 281m
Taylor Swift, folklore (Republic): 272m
Taylor Swift, evermore (Republic): 209m
Summer Walker, Still Over It (LVRN/Interscope): 191m

Will Adele surpass Walker's total? How high will 30's first-week activity go? Check out the HITS Top 50 this afternoon to find out. In the meantime, you may resume your turkey-leftovers odyssey.

 

So her peer in the US is Summer Walker.

[Kamil24]

47 minutes ago, Cap10Planet said:

Lies. 25 made several year-end lists.  It was the #10 most acclaimed album on year-end in 2015 - the only pop album in the top 10 that year, beating out Carly Rae Jepsen.

https://www.metacritic.com/feature/critics-pick-top-10-best-albums-of-2015

 

What you're not going to do is try Adele with lies. 30 is an acclaimed album and will be all over year-end lists. Decade-end is yet to be seen.  There are still 8+ years before we can talk about some decade's end lists.  And 30 is NOT the same album as 25, 21 or 19, and all of the critics have acknowledged that, even the mixed ones.

 

EMOTION deserved that grammy!

[Elusive Chanteuse]

1 hour ago, Cap10Planet said:

Lies. 25 made several year-end lists.  It was the #10 most acclaimed album on year-end in 2015 - the only pop album in the top 10 that year, beating out Carly Rae Jepsen.

https://www.metacritic.com/feature/critics-pick-top-10-best-albums-of-2015

 

What you're not going to do is try Adele with lies. 30 is an acclaimed album and will be all over year-end lists. Decade-end is yet to be seen.  There are still 8+ years before we can talk about some decade's end lists.  And 30 is NOT the same album as 25, 21 or 19, and all of the critics have acknowledged that, even the mixed ones.

 

Wow how did Kendrick not win album of the year? Racism.

 

[Hot Volcano]

34 minutes ago, fridayteenage said:

 

 

So her peer in the US is Summer Walker.

  that's like saying Taylor peer in the US is Olivia. 

 

You cannot compare new artists in their breakthrough eras to veterans

[fridayteenage]

8 minutes ago, Elusive Chanteuse said:

Wow how did Kendrick not win album of the year? Racism.

 

David bowie, Lana del rey, fiona apple, the war on drugs, pj harvey didn’t win either. Being the critics' #1 doesn't give you a ticket to grammys.

 

I wonder where Adele will end up by 12/31/2021. 25 had a 2.3 multiplier by the end of 2015, so that would be...1.92 million-ish chart points if hdd's estimate is right and 30 has the same longevity.

[Elusive Chanteuse]

2 minutes ago, fridayteenage said:

David bowie, Lana del rey, fiona apple, the war on drugs, pj harvey didn’t win either. Being the critics' #1 doesn't give you a ticket to grammys.

 

I wonder where Adele will end up by 12/31/2021. 25 had a 2.3 multiplier by the end of 2015, so that would be...1.92 million-ish chart points if hdd's estimate is right and 30 has the same longevity.

That sucks but it’s racist Kendrick didn’t win.
 

 You are the one that likes stats like that not me so I wouldn’t know. lol 

[By the Water]

1 hour ago, fridayteenage said:

https://hitsdailydouble.com/news&id=329387&title=CHART-PREVIEW%3A-ADELE-STREAMS-AHEAD

 

Adele's 30 (Columbia) scores the year's biggest debut by at least 200k. 30 will also become the sixth- or seventh-most-streamed album by a female artist, with U.S. streams expected to finish close to 200m. The wizard known as Taylor Swift holds down three of the Top 5 on that list:

Ariana Grande, thank u, next (Republic): 360m
Taylor Swift, Red (Taylor's Version) (Republic): 281m
Olivia Rodrigo, SOUR (Geffen): 281m
Taylor Swift, folklore (Republic): 272m
Taylor Swift, evermore (Republic): 209m
Summer Walker, Still Over It (LVRN/Interscope): 191m

Will Adele surpass Walker's total? How high will 30's first-week activity go? Check out the HITS Top 50 this afternoon to find out. In the meantime, you may resume your turkey-leftovers odyssey.

Lover did 226M though, IOP did 202M

Edited November 26, 2021 by By the Water

[wastedpotential]

The final HDD prediction... well it's over 

[Renan90]

SPS

Chart Date: 11/26/2021 (WEEK ENDING: 11/25/2021)
MARKETSHARE: SME 50% UMG 37% WMG 13%

Status: Final

LW	TW	ARTIST | TITLE | LABEL	TOTAL	CHANGE	ALBUMS	TEA	SEA
-- 1 ADELE | 30 COLUMBIA			837,943	--	678,872	6,380	152,690
1 2 TAYLOR SWIFT | RED (TAYLOR'S VERSION) REPUBLIC			168,819	-72%	68,062	1,516	99,241
5 3 DRAKE | CERTIFIED LOVER BOY OVO/REPUBLIC			53,028	-8%	347	454	52,227
2 4 BRUNO MARS, ANDERSON .PAAK & SILK SONIC | AN EVENING WITH SILK SONIC AFTERMATH/ATLANTIC			50,301	-51%	15,266	907	34,128
6 5 MORGAN WALLEN | DANGEROUS: THE DOUBLE ALBUM BIG LOUD/REPUBLIC			47,977	10%	2,422	904	44,652
4 6 SUMMER WALKER | STILL OVER IT LVRN/INTERSCOPE			45,806	-26%	1,377	291	44,138
11 7 OLIVIA RODRIGO | SOUR GEFFEN			38,237	20%	11,915	614	25,708
21 8 MICHAEL BUBLE | CHRISTMAS REPRISE			37,807	74%	11,528	616	25,663
8 9 ED SHEERAN | = ATLANTIC			36,344	-4%	11,889	1,476	22,980
-- 10 ROBERT PLANT & ALISON KRAUSS | RAISE THE ROOF ROUNDER			36,029	--	33,599	712	1,719
-- 11 THE WEEKND | THE HIGHLIGHTS XO/REPUBLIC			35,489	--	5,320	637	29,532
9 12 DOJA CAT | PLANET HER KEMOSABE/RCA			34,949	-3%	325	755	33,870
10 13 KANYE WEST | DONDA G.O.O.D./DEF JAM			27,464	-23%	239	349	26,876
18 14 BILLIE EILISH | HAPPIER THAN EVER DARKROOM/INTERSCOPE			27,168	13%	11,793	220	15,156
-- 15 TWENTY ONE PILOTS | SCALED AND ICY FUELED BY RAMEN			26,229	--	22,385	109	3,735
16 16 LIL NAS X | MONTERO COLUMBIA			24,437	-4%	204	636	23,597
15 17 THE KID LAROI | F*CK LOVE COLUMBIA			24,392	-5%	93	597	23,702
14 18 YOUNGBOY NEVER BROKE AGAIN | SINCERELY, KENTRELL NEVER BROKE AGAIN/ATLANTIC			23,568	-15%	395	236	22,938
19 19 LUKE COMBS | WHAT YOU SEE IS WHAT YOU GET RIVER HOUSE/COLUMBIA NASHVILLE			22,744	-2%	2,136	560	20,049
3 20 TWICE | FORMULA OF LOVE: 3 JYP/IMPERIAL/REPUBLIC			21,919	-66%	17,169	93	4,656
33 21 HARRY STYLES | FINE LINE COLUMBIA			21,006	16%	8,137	228	12,641
22 22 ROD WAVE | SOULFLY ALAMO/SME			20,751	-3%	137	120	20,493
23 23 ADELE | 25 XL/BEGGARS			20,273	-3%	4,014	720	15,539
50 24 MARIAH CAREY | MERRY CHRISTMAS COLUMBIA			20,118	40%	3,895	535	15,688
27 25 LIL BABY | MY TURN QUALITY CONTROL/MOTOWN/CAPITOL			19,995	-1%	213	196	19,587
31 26 TAYLOR SWIFT | EVERMORE REPUBLIC			19,424	6%	9,626	101	9,697
40 27 TAYLOR SWIFT | LOVER REPUBLIC			19,174	13%	8,868	104	10,201
28 28 POP SMOKE | SHOOT FOR THE STARS AIM FOR THE MOON VICTOR VICTOR/REPUBLIC			19,148	-4%	636	184	18,328
17 29 TAYLOR SWIFT | FEARLESS (TAYLOR'S VERSION) REPUBLIC			19,138	-24%	11,264	82	7,792
43 30 QUEEN | GREATEST HITS 1 HOLLYWOOD			19,136	16%	6,338	447	12,351
35 31 ADELE | 21 XL/BEGGARS			18,885	6%	5,134	750	13,001
24 32 MONEYBAGG YO | A GANGSTA'S PAIN CMG/N-LESS/INTERSCOPE			18,636	-9%	263	523	17,849
-- 33 VINCE GUARALDI TRIO | CHARLIE BROWN CHRISTMAS CONCORD			18,341	--	8,750	173	9,418
-- 34 NAT KING COLE | CHRISTMAS SONG CAPITOL			18,326	--	3,280	166	14,881
7 35 JASON ALDEAN | MACON BROKEN BOW			17,758	-53%	6,490	1,072	10,196
25 36 TAYLOR SWIFT | FOLKLORE REPUBLIC			17,755	-12%	6,020	126	11,608
36 37 JUSTIN BIEBER | JUSTICE RBMG/DEF JAM			17,645	0%	1,705	503	15,436
34 38 POST MALONE | HOLLYWOOD'S BLEEDING REPUBLIC			17,252	-3%	384	201	16,667
32 39 JUICE WRLD | LEGENDS NEVER DIE GRADE A/INTERSCOPE			17,068	-6%	550	100	16,418
-- 40 PENTATONIX | THE BEST OF PENTATONIX CHRISTMAS RCA			16,886	--	5,295	377	11,214
30 41 CHRIS STAPLETON | STARTING OVER MERCURY NASHVILLE			16,830	-15%	4,889	714	11,227
37 42 JUICE WRLD | GOODBYE & GOOD RIDDANCE GRADE A/INTERSCOPE			16,474	-6%	195	88	16,191
42 43 DUA LIPA | FUTURE NOSTALGIA WARNER			16,409	-2%	1,033	510	14,865
-- 44 BRUCE SPRINGSTEEN & THE E STREET BAND | THE LEGENDARY 1979 NO NUKES CONCERTS COLUMBIA			16,287	--	15,695	48	545
-- 45 PHIL SPECTOR | CHRISTMAS GIFT FOR YOU LEGACY			15,908	--	247	85	15,577
-- 46 FLEETWOOD MAC | RUMOURS WARNER			15,837	--	4,854	250	10,733
39 47 BABY KEEM | THE MELODIC BLUE PGLANG/COLUMBIA			15,631	-10%	31	78	15,523
-- 48 HAMILTON | ORIGINAL BROADWAY CAST UPTOWN/ATLANTIC			15,036	--	1,942	82	13,012
47 49 LUKE COMBS | THIS ONE'S FOR YOU RIVER HOUSE/COLUMBIA NASHVILLE			15,030	-2%	1,336	258	13,435
-- 50 ELTON JOHN | DIAMONDS ISLAND			14,887	--	3,392	458	11,037

 

https://hitsdailydouble.com/sales_plus_streaming