charts discussion HDD: Adele 833k (biggest debut of the year), Taylor 165k

[Mike91]

12 minutes ago, JustHoran said:

These are good numbers of course, but for Adele this is definitely an underperformance and I see her star fading. Maybe it's just the album is bad.

She just got 10 million viewers for a television special and EOM is about to go number 1 again. I don't think the problem is her star "fading". The problem is people just don't buy physical albums anymore and her team obviously banked on that hoping she could still get people to go out and buy them. Most people probably don't even have a way to play CD's anymore.  Not to mention, this album isn't very streaming friendly to begin with either. 

 

I don't think her team realized how much the industry has changed in 6 years. She needs to build a platform on streaming like Taylor did after she first joined. Thing is, I genuinely don't think she gives a **** and is more than likely content with this era. 

 

Also, she could have gotten these numbers via a surprise release, so at this point, I doubt she'll ever do another massive media campaign like this again. They're becoming pointless. 

Edited November 23, 2021 by Mike91

[GlamSlam]

4 minutes ago, JustHoran said:

These are good numbers of course, but for Adele this is definitely an underperformance and I see her star fading. Maybe it's just the album is bad.

Geez, what a ray of sunshine you are. It's an under-perfomance (for her), but I wouldn't exactly say her star is fading.

The album is rated highly by well respected music publications and fans are loving it. Quit with the dramatics.

[PopFan1996]

Really the biggest seller and artist in the industry 

[brazil]

1 hour ago, Coklek92 said:

ChartMasters himself is known for inflating Britney's stats yet the pure sales not even hit 80M. That 105M basically albums units which is within the range of her total CSPC. Now you should take several seats 

That's a complete lie. The guy that run that has even shaded Britney 

[TayLord]

I think it’ll serve longevity and she’ll obviously still sell out stadiums (if she even wants to) world wide lol she’ll be fine. 

[blackbeatxx]

Lol at fading star with 11.7 million viewers for the US tv concert and 5.4 million for the UK show (like 1/12 out of every living human in UK). 

and EOM 5 weeks and counting at #1.

 

traditional physical sales not to mention digital sales are a relic now and the GP obviously doesnt click AS MUCH with this kinda different sound from Adele.

altho obviously enough to give the best selling album in US of the year with only 3 days of sales 

[KeshaSwift]

1 hour ago, JustHoran said:

I went in Walmart and she has a MASSIVE display just for her album with all the vinyls and all the CD's. It was literally stocked full like no one bought it  My local walmart doesn't stan apparently

Which state are you from? just being curious.  I personally haven't checked my local CD store yet.
 

56 minutes ago, Mike91 said:

She just got 10 million viewers for a television special and EOM is about to go number 1 again. I don't think the problem is her star "fading". The problem is people just don't buy physical albums anymore and her team obviously banked on that hoping she could still get people to go out and buy them. Most people probably don't even have a way to play CD's anymore.  Not to mention, this album isn't very streaming friendly to begin with either. 

 

I don't think her team realized how much the industry has changed in 6 years. She needs to build a platform on streaming like Taylor did after she first joined. Thing is, I genuinely don't think she gives a **** and is more than likely content with this era. 

 

Also, she could have gotten these numbers via a surprise release, so at this point, I doubt she'll ever do another massive media campaign like this again. They're becoming pointless. 

I completely agree with you. CD's are a collectible at this point, and as you said many people don't even have a way to play a CD these days.
This underperfomance comes mainly from mismanagement and the material being way too safe. With the right sound and streaming push she can continue to have extremely big stats next era.
 

[jinzo]

Omg, let's see how many of the Adele avis that have appeared in the last 3 weeks start disappearing  

[Vespertine]

1 hour ago, JustHoran said:

I went in Walmart and she has a MASSIVE display just for her album with all the vinyls and all the CD's. It was literally stocked full like no one bought it  My local walmart doesn't stan apparently

Wow this is so sad to hear. All that plastic wasted for no reason! And millions upon millions of dollars wasted on producing physicals that will never sell. 

 

Meanwhile I visited several stores trying to find a copy of Red TV, CD or vinyl, and they were all sold out  Taylor’s team obviously underestimated the demand for physicals. 

[drmkng]

2 hours ago, Coklek92 said:

 

Multiple sources have proved that she didn't sell 100M pure sales, you know that artist can be delusional 

So you're saying Britney is delusional? One of the most humble artists of all time?  It seems I should have stopped this conversation after the first quote.

[Vespertine]

4 minutes ago, jinzo said:

Omg, let's see how many of the Adele avis that have appeared in the last 3 weeks start disappearing  

76% of them I assume? That’s the decline from 25 to 30 ?

[Chika]

I fail to see how Swifties could possibly consider this a win??  Adele just easily matched Taylor in her own home market, we have to go back 3 Taylor releases, all the way back to the pre-rule change period before we can find a Taylor album that can even come close to matching this, and pretty much no Taylor album except maybe 1989 debuted with as much as 30 will globally. Adele stays stomping on Taylor in her home market and globally, clearly there is only one music industry 

[slw84]

9 hours ago, Trent W said:

The only theory that would make sense is that a lot of people that bought 25 are just streaming her album these days.

 

I think that the streaming shift really just brought her down to earth and more on the level of the other titans like Taylor and Drake.

 

She’s still just as loved as she was in 2015, but the market has drastically changed.

 

Nooooooope.

It goes deeper than that. Think 25 album, era, Grammys...and then other things that happened over the past year.

6 hours ago, drmkng said:

I'm just glad she's not touching Britney's pure album sales record

 

it was obvious that she would had a less successful era

The little wins

[slw84]

3 hours ago, drmkng said:

Stop being illiterate people.

 

Britney is the last female artist that sold more than pure 100 million albums.

 

 

True but Adele will clear that with ease after a few more releases. But in the end I don't know why people treehug Chartmasters and then lie and claim they overinflate Britney.

 

Adele will cross 100M. If she releases an xmas album after this it's a shoe in

 

1 hour ago, brazil said:

That's a complete lie. The guy that run that has even shaded Britney 

True. I don't get why swifties love to go after Britney and talk about things incorrectly...

 

Artists get certifications based on shipments and now units not pure sales so it's moot point.

 

That said, 30 will do well overtime she might or might not cross 100M albums with 30 but it will help her for the next release post 30 which will likely push Adele across the 100M album WW mark.

 

I still think this will clear 1M in week 1 and get to 3x platinum by January.

[slw84]

13 minutes ago, Chika said:

I fail to see how Swifties could possibly consider this a win??  Adele just easily matched Taylor in her own home market, we have to go back 3 Taylor releases, all the way back to the pre-rule change period before we can find a Taylor album that can even come close to matching this, and pretty much no Taylor album except maybe 1989 debuted with as much as 30 will globally. Adele stays stomping on Taylor in her home market and globally, clearly there is only one music industry 

ya'll need to stop making this an Adele vs Taylor thing.

 

Both have slayed the game in their own way. 

 

The trinity for sales is Adele, Taylor and Drake confirmed in 2021.

 

[blackbeatxx]

24 minutes ago, Chika said:

I fail to see how Swifties could possibly consider this a win??  Adele just easily matched Taylor in her own home market, we have to go back 3 Taylor releases, all the way back to the pre-rule change period before we can find a Taylor album that can even come close to matching this, and pretty much no Taylor album except maybe 1989 debuted with as much as 30 will globally. Adele stays stomping on Taylor in her home market and globally, clearly there is only one music industry 

Stop this *sigh*
 

as an Adele fan i clearly see two women ruling music industry.

they’re on par in US maybe Taylor a bit ahead but globally Adele is #1

[Headlock]

4 hours ago, drmkng said:

 

Showing me a website which isn't official while I can back up my words thanks to miss Britney Spears.

 

 

Now take several seats and have a nice day, pal

Not X-Factor being your source 

[Headlock]

2 minutes ago, blackbeatxx said:

Stop this *sigh*
 

as an Adele fan i clearly see two women ruling music industry.

they’re on par in US maybe Taylor a bit ahead but globally Adele is #1

We love two Queens winning 

[mlaredoperez]

2 hours ago, JustHoran said:

Maybe. I think the album sucks, and was planning on buying it (I've always bought her albums) but after streaming it I hate it and find it boring.

 

I hope she doesn't wait years to release and comes back with a better album because she has it in her. We need another bop like Hello which was so good. Easy On Me is good, and honestly the only song I like on 30. 

It what world is Hello a bop? 

[mlaredoperez]

9 hours ago, Gaia said:

And why are you guys acting like Taylor just released the album and it’s selling solely based on the music  homegirl has been EVERYWHERE talking about how SB STOLE her music and how this is taking her power back so everyone should buy TV as an FU to SB and the people who screwed her over  and releasing like 10 versions of the album

 

And now she resorted to reigniting rumors about a decade old relationship that last 3 months with an A-list actor.

 

Adele just needs to release her music  

Go and stream your favs rerecordings and stop laughing at woman that is everything but problematic.

[Beyonnaise]

I feel like this thread is like 5% some random person saying Adele declined then 80% people saying “SWIFTIES HAVE ZERO ROOM TO SAY ANYTHING ABOUT ADELE”  

[Suspendedintheair]

Adele could announce a 20 city US Stadium Tour today for summer 2022 and it would induce an instant bloodbath for every last seat. Any fool could’ve told y’all 3 years ago that this project wasn’t going to open with 3 million copies. It’s basic math.  Y’all look dumb attempting to paint these numbers as some commercial disappointment as a means of making your flop fave and their Bozo schemes for a quick number 1 look better. If she ain’t pulling a million first week then nobody is. 
 

She was never one of them.  Sit all the way the hell down. 

[Vespertine]

22 minutes ago, Beyonnaise said:

I feel like this thread is like 5% some random person saying Adele declined then 80% people saying “SWIFTIES HAVE ZERO ROOM TO SAY ANYTHING ABOUT ADELE”  

Meanwhile Taylor's RED TV Spotify debut thread was full of people (probably bandwagon fake Adele stans, but still) going on and on about how it was "too bad" Red TV would only hold its debut record for one week  We we assured Taylor's new reign as the most-streamed female artist on Spotify would be swiftly ended and stay that way for the rest of the year. Then it was "wait for the pure sales, wait for the pure sales!"  and until just yesterday they were all insisting it was going to open with 1m+ and obliterate Folklore and Lover. Swifties are only reacting to what we were promised! It's entertaining to see expectations brought back down to earth, and 30 not selling that much more than a re-recording of an album that we've had for almost a decade  

 

Also I'm proud to be the 5% of people saying Adele declined!  She's on her Norah Jones trajectory now, which is what I predicted for her years ago. But I love Norah. 

[Cockney Cupcake]

7 hours ago, drmkng said:

I'm just glad she's not touching Britney's pure album sales record

 

it was obvious that she would had a less successful era

She has broken Britneys  pure album sales record lol Taking out digitalis of 25

[Squall]

4 minutes ago, Cockney Cupcake said:

She has broken Britneys  pure album sales record lol Taking out digitalis of 25

Is he stuck in 2014?