charts discussion Butter is No.1 but Out from top of ALL music charts

[drmkng]

34 minutes ago, QueenofCopyPaste said:

Maybe you? I'm only here for fairness

 

 

 please don't embarrass yourself more, you exactly know what you've been doing.

28 minutes ago, BionicWooHoo said:

Ok? By that logic, BTS stans are also part of the public. 

the fact that that person dared to response this comment after you clocked him 

[frenchyisback]

28 minutes ago, Cryptique said:

imagine if 6ix9ine blocked Rih through fraudulent website sales

 

yikes..

 

get those unknown no.1s I guess

Honey, Riri has REAL hits.

Sorry but if you're gonna block her, you better bring a Desperado (Wild Though) or a WBT (Pon De Replay) type of chart point monster.

If Rihanna can't pull 400 chart points; then I won't feel like she's entitled to a #1.

Olivia fans want her to be #1 with those weak chart points so they can make her look more successful than she is.

 

 

Army did the same thing with Dynamite and it didn't keep real smash hits to get their time at #1. (ie WAP & Mood )

 

 

[KMO]

1 hour ago, gustavothehuman said:

this is getting embarrassing, say what you want about dynamite but that was legitimately a hit at least 

Yeah like that song was being used in ads and I actually heard it playing randomly out and about, even people I knew had in on their playlists/music library.

 

I’ve literally never heard Butter. Not that that means much, but also I suppose if website sales are a legitimate source for Billboard chart positions/points, then it’s not really fraudulent. I suppose they could ask them to prove it’s not being mass bought by a concentrated group of white women over 30 with too much disposable income (their primary cashed-up fanbase if we’re being honest).

[Lovett]

22 minutes ago, johnsuxx said:

I have literally never heard a song by this alleged band

Don't worry, nor has the majority of the US.  Just a small group of stans from outside the country, pumping in money to trick people into thinking the GP has any idea about the song. It's pretty embarrassing.

[Cannon]

 

so disgusting. Billboard is a joke.

[Ryan]

1 hour ago, Virtual_Insanity said:

People making these lame threads every week should get WP's for trolling . @Ryan honestly it is completely ridicuolus. 

Agreed. 

[Ryan]

The outrage over fans with money buying their faves’ music. They’re working within the existing rules of the system. No different than when fanbases would get together and buy singles on iTunes and have gifting parties in order to get their faves to debut at number 1. It’s jealousy I fear…crying in poor. 
 

I don’t like the song and I haven’t liked their last couple of songs since Boy With Luv but bitching about the fans actually spending money on their artists instead of wondering why their faves are flopping with alleged large fanbases who won’t buy their music is a choice.  

[Protocol]

It being #40 on iTunes but #1 because of sales is a kii

 

 

[Archetype]

2 hours ago, Virtual_Insanity said:

People making these lame threads every week should get WP's for trolling . @Ryan honestly it is completely ridicuolus. 

Threads about song placements and chart positions are made almost every day and every week about different artists and groups, my faves included when they're in an era.  You're upset because you don't like the data, which sounds like a personal problem.

 

@OP It's called fraud.  Is there any precedent for this happening in the past?  

[Swirl900]

25 minutes ago, Ryan said:

The outrage over fans with money buying their faves’ music. They’re working within the existing rules of the system. No different than when fanbases would get together and buy singles on iTunes and have gifting parties in order to get their faves to debut at number 1. It’s jealousy I fear…crying in poor. 
 

I don’t like the song and I haven’t liked their last couple of songs since Boy With Luv but bitching about the fans actually spending money on their artists instead of wondering why their faves are flopping with alleged large fanbases who won’t buy their music is a choice.  

I heard and saw screenshots that Columbia was pumping out the same exact song (not remixes) with different ISRC codes though (just different cover art) and that kinda would be a legit actual fraud though.

[Bang Up]

Doesn't matter anymore. They can waste their money buying the same song over and over again and it won't change the fact that nobody outside of ARMYs know this song or care about it.  All their obsessing and hard work for nothing.

[fridayteenage]

1 hour ago, frenchyisback said:

 

Army did the same thing with Dynamite and it didn't keep real smash hits to get their time at #1. (ie WAP & Mood )

 

 

they gave up on 100k sales weeks after 4 of them.

 

there's already 6 for butter. so not the exact same, no.

[americanlife]

It's so upsetting that these frauds are actively stealing the top spot week after week. Shame on them forever.

[Cryptique]

1 hour ago, Ryan said:

The outrage over fans with money buying their faves’ music. They’re working within the existing rules of the system. No different than when fanbases would get together and buy singles on iTunes and have gifting parties in order to get their faves to debut at number 1. It’s jealousy I fear…crying in poor. 
 

I don’t like the song and I haven’t liked their last couple of songs since Boy With Luv but bitching about the fans actually spending money on their artists instead of wondering why their faves are flopping with alleged large fanbases who won’t buy their music is a choice.  

I wonder if you'll say the same if they blocked Britney from no.1 with Britney smashing every platforms ala Olivia

[Cryptique]

1 hour ago, frenchyisback said:

Honey, Riri has REAL hits.

Sorry but if you're gonna block her, you better bring a Desperado (Wild Though) or a WBT (Pon De Replay) type of chart point monster.

If Rihanna can't pull 400 chart points; then I won't feel like she's entitled to a #1.

Olivia fans want her to be #1 with those weak chart points so they can make her look more successful than she is.

 

 

Army did the same thing with Dynamite and it didn't keep real smash hits to get their time at #1. (ie WAP & Mood )

 

 

so even if Riri did no.1 on AM, YT, Spotify it's okay if she didn't cross 400points to give way for a song that did Top40 in streaming and no.40 on iTunes and just propelled by the fraudulent website sales 

 

if Olivia's points were weak for you, that still doesn't change the fact that she's got the most popular song of the week as per receipts.. can't say the same to the unknown no.1 that is called Butter

[Ryan]

5 minutes ago, Cryptique said:

I wonder if you'll say the same if they blocked Britney from no.1 with Britney smashing every platforms ala Olivia

You do know I’m not a Britney stan right? Lol. 

[Kylizzle]

A site mod using poor as an insult  

 

 

[BionicWooHoo]

1 hour ago, Cannon said:

 

so disgusting. Billboard is a joke.

Oh wow a tweet with 11 likes…such impact. I’m truly convinced now.

[p1lotjones]

honestly i understand billboard counting website sales during the 1st and maybe 2nd week of release bc there's genuine excitement from the fandom and a large amount of interest in hearing a new song/album, i consider it the same as organizing mass streaming parties for releases, etc but there should be some rule limiting how much these website sales count past that where the sole purpose is to manipulate charts 

[Da Barbie]

at the end of the day BTS fans are buying the song enough for it to be #1, i don't see the fraud

 

it's not any different than other stans obsessively buying their fave's music (specifically thinking of taylor fans)

 

the chart has never meant anything beyond being a tool for labels

[Cesar]

3 hours ago, Cloudy said:

This is just getting out of hand, but Billboard is allowing it so it is what it is. They are ruining themselves the credibility they once had.

 

I mean what can billboard do really? weight pure sales less?

 

[spree]

it's not fraud, it's within the rules.  We all know most of you here have Chromatica on muted loop on Spotify anyways, lol.  The Hot 100 formula simply needs to be changed in a dramatic way.  Until then, it's game on.

[QueenofCopyPaste]

2 hours ago, BionicWooHoo said:

And you obviously don’t understand the distinction, I never said I didn’t care about hypocrisy ?? in fact I care very much and yes that’s why I’m replying to your hypocrisy. 

The IRONY. 

[MANUELF]

I think the only way is to stop digital sales from websites

[QueenofCopyPaste]

2 hours ago, frenchyisback said:

It's the only charts that matters & that why yall are having nervous breakdown on ATRL. 

That Olivia girl can get all the D list music markets we don't care about.  

 

USA =/= the world.