Bloodflowers. Posted July 3, 2019 Posted July 3, 2019 3 hours ago, greeneyedsoul said: we love a streaming force. @AvrilLaQueen @ProudLBS @Paula Abdul 428 Avril Lavigne SONG STREAMS4.9M Relevant legend
Matthea Posted July 3, 2019 Posted July 3, 2019 A singles chart without radio? Rolling Stone charts are instantly better than the Billboard charts. Obviously the Rolling Stone charts are still in the Beta stage, but they already look great.
ProudLBS Posted July 3, 2019 Posted July 3, 2019 3 hours ago, greeneyedsoul said: we love a streaming force. @AvrilLaQueen @ProudLBS @Paula Abdul 428 Avril Lavigne SONG STREAMS4.9M legend
Sinister Posted July 3, 2019 Posted July 3, 2019 Okay But a chart without radio will always be inaccurate to me What's even the point of radio then? Especially when sales are dying at a massive speed. OTR is the only thing saving the sales department rn
lousaysthings Posted July 3, 2019 Posted July 3, 2019 12 minutes ago, Sinister said: Okay But a chart without radio will always be inaccurate to me What's even the point of radio then? Especially when sales are dying at a massive speed. OTR is the only thing saving the sales department rn I mean what has been the point of radio as a chart metric literally ever?
Sinister Posted July 3, 2019 Posted July 3, 2019 1 minute ago, lousaysthings said: I mean what has been the point of radio as a chart metric literally ever? Exposure. An artist knew they made it big once they heard their song on the radio. That was how promo work. More people knew about your song that way. Radio has, and will always be relevant. A large population of the country still discovers new songs because of radio To not include it in a chart that is designed to indicate the most popular/biggest songs is inaccurate But sure, dont include it and pop will suffer the most. Yall might get the high peak, but those songs would be out fairly quick...Urban would be at the forefront even more than it already is
quitedangerous Posted July 3, 2019 Posted July 3, 2019 12 hours ago, scheibe said: free payola poor ariana 7 rings and thank u, next are #1 in the chart though and break up is too guess that payola wasn't the only factor that got Ariana to #1, huh?
lousaysthings Posted July 3, 2019 Posted July 3, 2019 Just now, Sinister said: Exposure. An artist knew they made it big once they heard their song on the radio. That was how promo work. More people knew about your song that way. Radio has, and will always be relevant. A large population of the country still discovers new songs because of radio To not include it in a chart that is designed to indicate the most popular/biggest songs is inaccurate But sure, dont include it and pop will suffer the most. Yall might get the high peak, but those songs would be out fairly quick...Urban would be at the forefront even more than it already is I mean that's all great but, just as Rolling Stone states, hearing a song on the radio is passive consumption, not like playing a song or buying an album. It's also easy to manipulate by record company execs. Of course radio is still relevant but what radio stations chose they want the public to hear shouldn't count towards the chart.
Navyofbadgals Posted July 3, 2019 Posted July 3, 2019 This is a mess with it showing daily peaks as well in a weekly chart, as well as not using radio at all. Not a fan of it
Green Posted July 3, 2019 Posted July 3, 2019 So these are the most popular songs in the US without radio. I love that they show the points for everything
Green Posted July 3, 2019 Posted July 3, 2019 Do they include youtube streaming? Why OTR's streaming is so different from what Billboard reports?
Rico Shameless v2 Posted July 3, 2019 Posted July 3, 2019 (edited) 58 minutes ago, Sinister said: Exposure. An artist knew they made it big once they heard their song on the radio. That was how promo work. More people knew about your song that way. Radio has, and will always be relevant. A large population of the country still discovers new songs because of radio To not include it in a chart that is designed to indicate the most popular/biggest songs is inaccurate But sure, dont include it and pop will suffer the most. Yall might get the high peak, but those songs would be out fairly quick...Urban would be at the forefront even more than it already is You used a lot of past tense, which says a lot about radio being included in the charts. Artists today, especially rising, aren’t nowhere near concerned about getting on a radio station when you can easily set yourself up on streaming platforms and build a base online. Now promo for radio stations is irrelevant, since you can promote yourself. There’s way too much struggle to get on the air, too many label dealings and, as you know, the same 10-12 songs getting played 20x a day on big stations to truly say radio is still relevant. If anyone is discovering new music on radio, it’s the music hundreds of millions have already streamed. That’s not including the Taylor’s/Shawn’s and other handfuls who immediately get 100 million audience impressions in 10 days. We don’t need it. Not when the vast majority of listeners have moved on. Edited July 3, 2019 by Rico Shameless v2
Matthea Posted July 3, 2019 Posted July 3, 2019 I like having radio charts to see what's getting played on the radio, but I don't want radio to be a component of the singles chart.
ATRL Moderator Samson Posted July 3, 2019 ATRL Moderator Posted July 3, 2019 34 minutes ago, Green said: Do they include youtube streaming? Why OTR's streaming is so different from what Billboard reports? from their FAQ page: Quote How do the Rolling Stone Charts deal with UGC video? User-generated content (i.e. unofficial videos featuring songs in them) is also a current topic of industry debate because of the opacity of that type of data. While we do not currently represent video streaming in our charts, we are in ongoing discussions with the music industry about how to achieve greater transparency around the tracking and representation of UGC video, after which we hope to include video-streaming data in our charts. Video data is available to view within Alpha Data’s professional industry product. https://www.rollingstone.com/charts-faq/
Sinister Posted July 3, 2019 Posted July 3, 2019 2 hours ago, Sinister said: Exposure. An artist knew they made it big once they heard their song on the radio. That was how promo work. More people knew about your song that way. Radio has, and will always be relevant. A large population of the country still discovers new songs because of radio To not include it in a chart that is designed to indicate the most popular/biggest songs is inaccurate But sure, dont include it and pop will suffer the most. Yall might get the high peak, but those songs would be out fairly quick...Urban would be at the forefront even more than it already is 1 hour ago, Rico Shameless v2 said: You used a lot of past tense, which says a lot about radio being included in the charts. Artists today, especially rising, aren’t nowhere near concerned about getting on a radio station when you can easily set yourself up on streaming platforms and build a base online. Now promo for radio stations is irrelevant, since you can promote yourself. There’s way too much struggle to get on the air, too many label dealings and, as you know, the same 10-12 songs getting played 20x a day on big stations to truly say radio is still relevant. If anyone is discovering new music on radio, it’s the music hundreds of millions have already streamed. That’s not including the Taylor’s/Shawn’s and other handfuls who immediately get 100 million audience impressions in 10 days. We don’t need it. Not when the vast majority of listeners have moved on. Radio has way much more weight than sales in 2019. People STILL discover songs through radio. Like are yall not from the USA? Radio is still massive. the chart is about popularity, the biggest song. You know a song is huge when it is all over the radio Theres a reason why people will tell you "I thought this song was bigger because I heard it on the radio all the time." Radio is linked to popularity in the US and that's just not going to change
Canonical Ensembl Posted July 3, 2019 Posted July 3, 2019 If they included radio it would be identical to BB. Then there’s no point making new charts. At least this thing tries to present what BB don’t.
Rico Shameless v2 Posted July 3, 2019 Posted July 3, 2019 2 hours ago, Sinister said: Radio has way much more weight than sales in 2019. People STILL discover songs through radio. Like are yall not from the USA? Radio is still massive. the chart is about popularity, the biggest song. You know a song is huge when it is all over the radio Theres a reason why people will tell you "I thought this song was bigger because I heard it on the radio all the time." Radio is linked to popularity in the US and that's just not going to change Again, you’re writing as if it is 2011. Radio does have more weight than sales - obviously because it can be controlled and manipulated, while sales were going to fall when the next major major consumption tool arose. But I don’t know why radio holding more weight makes it relevant. Vinyls hold more weight than cassettes kind of tea. The chart is about popularity. Radio doesn’t determine popularity, because it is not controlled by the consumer. Can you really say Talk, 3 weeks now @ #1 on Radio Songs, is the BIGGEST song in America? Sucker? Halsey’s “Without Me” about to re-enter the T10 on that chart? High Hopes & Eastside are literally right behind it, also moving forward? In their EIGHTH months on the chart? No sir. Truth Hurts is #27, yet is one of the biggest songs right now. Its radio position hurts it from being represented correctly on the H100. Meanwhile Jonas Brothers and DWAS are still lingering/hanging around in the T3. Past tense again : no one says anymore that they thought this or that was big cause they heard it on radio. I’m from the US.. and the rare moments my phone is dead/dying and I’m not streaming via my aux, I turn on my local T40 and the playlist is a mix of old hits from January + throwbacks. Switch to my urban station, it’s Drake’s hits/features over the last 18 months + a Meek Mill song (probably ft Drake) + some local rap. And there are articles from Forbes/Billboard, etc. discussing the end of radio’s importance/influence in the near future. Guessing 100 million people “heard” Panic!ATD’s “High Hopes” in its 50th week and calling it a chart just isn’t the tea anymore.
ATRL Moderator Samson Posted July 3, 2019 ATRL Moderator Posted July 3, 2019 it's nearly 2pm and the thing didn't update, on the methodology page it says it updates every 12pm ET?? are they taking a day off bc tmo is independence day? lmao
QueenofCopyPaste Posted July 3, 2019 Posted July 3, 2019 No one will use or care for this chart Billboard >
mcohen Posted July 3, 2019 Posted July 3, 2019 (edited) 3 hours ago, Timber said: Beyoncé's Before I Let Go #4 on the trending chart! The dance challenge is finally working Edited July 3, 2019 by mcohen
Rico Shameless v2 Posted July 3, 2019 Posted July 3, 2019 There are more than 5 songs in the world, but US radio wouldn’t tell you that. Makes no sense Bad Guy has to wait for radio to start doing damage on the charts in June when it was a smash back in March when it was released as a single. And much like when we were going back and forth with ChartsFan about “Shallow”. That should’ve been a #1 hit long before it got there, but radio. It’s slow and behind and only focus on the juggernauts with the rare, occasional breakthrough artist. Ava Max of all people it seems, but label help and deals propelled that mess. While good songs by amazing artists get skipped over because while they have great streaming and a fanbase, if it doesn’t have 80-90m “impressions,” it’s not going to have a chance.
gatito Posted July 3, 2019 Posted July 3, 2019 Now i can boast when my faves top both Billboard and RS charts
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