charts discussion US Airplay Discussion

[Mediabase]

New Rules positive update again. 

 

Power rotation on Z100 and KIIS since Xmas.  It is almost May.

[Headlock]

1 hour ago, radioactived said:

Can't understand that either. Forbes literally called God's Plan an "escapist pop smash listeners need right now", "with digestible hooks" and "extremely catchy track" from "a good guy who excels at writing escapist, candy-coated pop-rap anthems" 

 

Why wouldn't pop radio play a pop song -- especially one that has been a huge smash from the start and from someone of the likes of Drake? 

I would not consider God's Plan to be a pop song lmao

 

Callouts don't explain everything but God's Plan isn't smashing on there, in fact it has the third highest negative rating currently:

http://www.mmr247.com/mmrweb/call/callout.asp

 

It's still at #6 on Pop radio, and will likely get to #4 shortly, and most likely top 3 as well.

It's been #1 in the Hot 100 for 11 weeks, who cares if it hits #1 on Pop radio. Never mind the fact that it's hit #1 on Urban and Rhythmic.

What more do y'all want lmao 

Edited April 15, 2018 by Headlock

[iHype.]

14 minutes ago, Headlock said:

I would not consider God's Plan to be a pop song lmao

 

Callouts don't explain everything but God's Plan isn't smashing on there, in fact it has the third highest negative rating currently:

http://www.mmr247.com/mmrweb/call/callout.asp

 

It's still at #6 on Pop radio, and will likely get to #4 shortly, and most likely top 3 as well.

It's been #1 in the Hot 100 for 11 weeks, who cares if it hits #1 on Pop radio. Never mind the fact that it's hit #1 on Urban and Rhythmic.

What more do y'all want lmao 

It's not even just about God's Plan though.

 

Drake has another song in the top 5 on Hot 100 and it's not charting on Pop radio. 

He has a song debuting #1 next week, and it's not charting, and when it does it will struggle to peak high. 

Do you see the pattern? Or shall we continue with other Urban artists 

 

Urban artists who are extremely successful deserve to be given good airplay time on Top 40 just as much as Pop artists who are extremely successful is the overall point.  Why should they have to Pop-wash their music sound, add Pop features, and use vocals on 75% of the song in order to get huge play?

 

Top 40 radio originated as simply playing what was popular. Pop, R&B, Rock, etc all got huge airtime if they were relevant on the charts. Then during the early 90s when Rap started to take off and Alternative such as Nirvana got huge sales/charting, they turned away from playing that music despite being popular. And ever since, they turn more and more away from songs that aren't Pop with a basic Max Martin production.

 

Beyonce with songs like Love on Top & Hold Up can't even get airplay on Top 40 now. It should definitely be discussed.

[brainmaniac]

2 hours ago, radioactived said:

Can't understand that either. Forbes literally called God's Plan an "escapist pop smash listeners need right now", "with digestible hooks" and "extremely catchy track" from "a good guy who excels at writing escapist, candy-coated pop-rap anthems" 

 

Why wouldn't pop radio play a pop song -- especially one that has been a huge smash from the start and from someone of the likes of Drake? 

God’s Plan is not a pop song  nor is it candy coated pop rap A person who writes for a financial magazine isn’t exactly the most qualified person to classify a song’s genre

 

[brainmaniac]

2 hours ago, iHype. said:

 Havana is NOT an Urban song simply because it has a Rapper (maybe you shouldn’t even be joining the discussion if you don’t know what Urban music is). So no, that comparison is invalid. 

 

Top 40 is not supposed to play purely Pop music. It's suppose to play a mix of whats popular. 

No we shouldn’t — that makes no sense.

 

Urban and Rhythmic play a certain genre of music, R&B and Hip-Hop.

 

Just as nobody is complaining that Drake isn’t charting on HAC & AC while Pop artists dominate that section — because they play a certain genre that is completely not meant for Drake’s music. 

 

Top 40 however is meant to play a spread of genres. The similarity between the music is that it’s popular music for the general crowd. Drake is the biggest artist in the country, and has a 11 week #1 hit. Obviously it should be at the top of Top 40 Radio if they’re supposed to be playing popular music. 

Honestly are you just trying to say only black people listen to a Drake and he has no place on Pop radio? 

 

Because white women aged 18-34 eat up his music. You would find a 21 year old white female who listens to Drake frequently before you find one that listens to Camila Cabello and Meghan Trainor. 

 

Views was the biggest album of 2016, and he looks to have the biggest album of 2018. You don’t get the huge crossover widespread appeal Drake has without also connecting with the white audience largely. 

 

There’s a reason God’s Plan spent 8 weeks at #1 in sales. Do you think black people are heavily using iTunes more than white people? Especially in 2018? He clearly has a huge connect with the  white audience. And just as you guys say those under aged 18 mostly use Streaming; therefore his huge power on iTunes is from the demographic ages 18-34.

 

All of those artists each did much better on Drake at Top 40 during their peak, despite him having just as much appeal. That’s the issue. 

 

And Drake has more hits total than Kanye/TI/50 on Pop because his career has been successful longer; however his biggest single peaks on Pop are smaller than theirs despite the larger career. Again, that’s the issue.   

 

I didn’t say only black people listen to Drake nor did I say he has no place on pop radio. He has had songs on the format before that fit in with what the format usually plays. This song isn’t one of those so it’s not surprising that it’s not as big as his biggest hits on the format and in the end if it peaks at #3 that’s really not that bad and will end up one of his bigger hits anyway

 

Obviously there is is a difference in the demographics of the different formats or he would be more successful on pop radio  

 

Drake has better single peaks than 50 and TI too. Drake has a #1 and a #2. 

 

50 only has a #1. He only has one other single in the Top 5 at #5

 

TI only has one Top 2 at #1 compared to 2 for Drake

He has two other Top 5s but so does/will Drake 

 

Kanye has two #1s but I think that’s close enough to Drake #1 and #2 and besides Stronger has a way bigger pop influence than most rap crossovers is  and basically more of an electronic dance song 

[Headlock]

1 hour ago, iHype. said:

It's not even just about God's Plan though.

 

Drake has another song in the top 5 on Hot 100 and it's not charting on Pop radio. 

He has a song debuting #1 next week, and it's not charting, and when it does it will struggle to peak high. 

Do you see the pattern? Or shall we continue with other Urban artists 

 

Urban artists who are extremely successful deserve to be given good airplay time on Top 40 just as much as Pop artists who are extremely successful is the overall point.  Why should they have to Pop-wash their music sound, add Pop features, and use vocals on 75% of the song in order to get huge play?

 

Top 40 radio originated as simply playing what was popular. Pop, R&B, Rock, etc all got huge airtime if they were relevant on the charts. Then during the early 90s when Rap started to take off and Alternative such as Nirvana got huge sales/charting, they turned away from playing that music despite being popular. And ever since, they turn more and more away from songs that aren't Pop with a basic Max Martin production.

 

Beyonce with songs like Love on Top & Hold Up can't even get airplay on Top 40 now. It should definitely be discussed.

Why are you starting at a 10 omg 

 

I pointed out a potential reason why God’s Plan isn’t #1 on Pop radio, its callout  scores.

And why are you even mentioning his other songs, you know as well as anyone having two songs charting concurrently on Pop radio is rare. Not to mention that Drake is known for not caring about being traditional in promoting records, have his other songs even been sent to Pop radio?

 

You said yourself that Top 40 radio has changed, it plays primarily pop music. Pop music and what’s “popular” are not the same thing anymore, pop music is a genre.

Was Urban and Rhythmic radio around back then? I know they weren’t included on the Hot 100 until recently. 

[levi_valvi]

5 hours ago, iHype. said:

Top 40 is not supposed to play purely Pop music. It's suppose to play a mix of whats popular. 

No we shouldn’t — that makes no sense.

 

Urban and Rhythmic play a certain genre of music, R&B and Hip-Hop.

 

Just as nobody is complaining that Drake isn’t charting on HAC & AC while Pop artists dominate that section — because they play a certain genre that is completely not meant for Drake’s music. 

 

Top 40 however is meant to play a spread of genres. The similarity between the music is that it’s popular music for the general crowd. Drake is the biggest artist in the country, and has a 11 week #1 hit. Obviously it should be at the top of Top 40 Radio if they’re supposed to be playing popular music. 

but those other songs you mentioned had pop as their biggest market and drake doesn't, so it's not a fair comparison. Drake is #1 in audience on rhythmic and urban for a reason.

 

and it's not like rhythmic exclusively plays r&b, both Closer and SOY peaked at #3. GP could probably peak at #3 on pop too

Edited April 15, 2018 by levi_valvi

[Starkboy]

POP

1. The Middle : 18.396 (+20) | 110.436 (-0.388)

2. Never Be The Same : 15.395 (+60) | 86.113 (+0.872)

3. Meant To Be : 15.115 (+8) | 77.215 (+0.496)

5. Pray For Me : 12.254 (+130) | 73.380 (+1.528)

6. God's Plan : 11.697 (+73) | 64.878 (+1.384)

9. New Rules : 9.939 (-92) | 72.932 (-0.583)

 

[TtaraHae]

Via Pulse: 

 

POP:
24 24 TAYLOR SWIFT Delicate 4179 3721 458 18.668

+84 Spins
+60 Bullet
+0.315 Audience

HOT AC:
14 13 TAYLOR SWIFT Delicate 2806 2501 305 17.065

+39 Spins
-34 Bullet
+0.404 Audience

AC:
28 24 TAYLOR SWIFT Delicate 83 58 25 0.345

= Spins
-8 Bullet
+0.004 Audience

 

Pop has been getting some nice updates recently. HAC still strong too. 

Edited April 15, 2018 by TtaraHae

[LesFleur]

19 hours ago, JonathanLGardner said:

URBAN (Published US)

TANK When We

21 18 TANK When We 1971 1804 167 10.961

#18 (-1)

+5 spins

+0.002 audience

 

URBAN AC (Published US)

TANK When We

3 2 TANK When We 1779 1703 76 11.533

#2 (=)

-14 spins

+0.053 audience

 

EN VOGUE Rocket

11 10 EN VOGUE Rocket 1362 1234 128 8.047

#10 (=)

+11 spins

+0.176 audience

 

Chante is gone  No

 

 

 

 

 

 

URBAN (Published US)

TANK When We

20 16 TANK When We 2043 1804 239 11.422

#16 (+2)

+72 spins

+0.461 audience

 

URBAN AC (Published US)

TANK When We

3 2 TANK When We 1819 1745 74 11.982

#2 (=)

+40 spins

+0.449 audience

 

TANK IS COMING FOR A NEW PEAK  Yesssss the longevity

 

_______________________________

 

URBAN AC (Published US)

EN VOGUE Rocket

11 9 EN VOGUE Rocket 1372 1273 99 7.985

#9 (+1)

+10 spins

-0.062 audience:

[Green]

Radio Songs:

4=

BRUNO MARS & CARDI B

Finesse

138.227 -15.749

 

What?  

 

This has to be a mistake/glitch on kworb's page right?  

 

It seems like all the Adult urban airplay was removed from the songs on the kworb's page  

 

Look at this song which it's currently #2 on Urban AC radio:

 

169.  -88

TANK

When We

11.783  -12.949

[Mediabase]

Streaming is dominated by heterosexual young males who are very tech savvy and don't really like pure pop and pop females.

 

iTunes and Physical sales of albums and singles were very female driven.

 

Hetero men consumers are dominating the industry at the moment due to streaming, something that has never happened before. 

 

As for POP radio, they target females 18-34. They couldn't care less about what's doing well on streaming.

 

There are tons of examples of dance, country, urban, pure pop etc. songs that sold very well on iTunes and we're at no1 for weeks or sols well durinf the physical era and pop radio didn't show much support. It's not something that just happens now.

 

Pop radio just cares about research and call out scores. Drake might be doing well with pop audiences in LA but he ain't doing well in places like Pittsburgh or Des Moines. There's Rhythmic and Urban radio for him.

Edited April 15, 2018 by Mediabase

[Sinister]

On 4/14/2018 at 7:52 AM, thedastardly said:

Drake is a Rhythmic/Urban radio darling. Pop, as usual, continues to treat him like crap. 

After some more thinking, it seems that Chartfan was completely right

 

Pop has become a genre chart. The industry might still call it a overall top 40, but listeners and radio programmers do not.

 

Streaming has made up the difference which is fair because the top Pop song can get well over 100 ai at Pop alone. Same can't be said for the top song on Urban/Rhythmic

 

After much deliberation...I finally see Chartfan's point this one time...its a genre chart

 

I mean...Rihanna is one of the biggest acts on pop, but neither What's My Name nor Work went #1 for they were more dancehall/urban-oriented...especially in Work's case considering it was #1 for 9 weeks

[LesFleur]

1 hour ago, Green said:

Radio Songs:

4=

BRUNO MARS & CARDI B

Finesse

138.227 -15.749

 

What?  

 

This has to be a mistake/glitch on kworb's page right?  

 

It seems like all the Adult urban airplay was removed from the songs on the kworb's page  

 

Look at this song which it's currently #2 on Urban AC radio:

 

169.  -88

TANK

When We

11.783  -12.949

The genre charts seem to be ok.

 

If you add them together from Urban and UAC When We's total AI is: 11.422 + 11.982 = 23.40400

 

Which would put him at #86 here http://kworb.net/airadio/

 

If it goes top 10 on Urban it may reach new peaks (current peaks: #78 Hot 100 / #35 R&B/HH / #1 Adult R&B)

Edited April 15, 2018 by JonathanLGardner

[Hurem]

12 hours ago, Mediabase said:

New Rules positive update again. 

 

Power rotation on Z100 and KIIS since Xmas.  It is almost May.

Why is US so damn late  New Rules was smashing here back in August and we ditched it even before it got big in the states.  

[R!ck]

6 hours ago, TtaraHae said:

Via Pulse: 

 

POP:
24 24 TAYLOR SWIFT Delicate 4179 3721 458 18.668

+84 Spins
+60 Bullet
+0.315 Audience

HOT AC:
14 13 TAYLOR SWIFT Delicate 2806 2501 305 17.065

+39 Spins
-34 Bullet
+0.404 Audience

AC:
28 24 TAYLOR SWIFT Delicate 83 58 25 0.345

= Spins
-8 Bullet
+0.004 Audience

 

Pop has been getting some nice updates recently. HAC still strong too. 

Hot AC looks like it's gonna support Taylor Swift no matter what, it's incredible even OOTW and New Romantics went top 10 in the format.  

[brianc33710]

11 hours ago, Sinister said:

After some more thinking, it seems that Chartfan was completely right

 

Pop has become a genre chart. The industry might still call it a overall top 40, but listeners and radio programmers do not.

 

Streaming has made up the difference which is fair because the top Pop song can get well over 100 ai at Pop alone. Same can't be said for the top song on Urban/Rhythmic

 

After much deliberation...I finally see Chartfan's point this one time...its a genre chart

 

I mean...Rihanna is one of the biggest acts on pop, but neither What's My Name nor Work went #1 for they were more dancehall/urban-oriented...especially in Work's case considering it was #1 for 9 weeks

Top 40 was Top 40 2000-5; HAC was Top 40 2010-5; HAC 2015-present is Top 40 2005-10

[LesFleur]

On 15/04/2018 at 0:47 PM, JonathanLGardner said:

URBAN (Published US)

TANK When We

20 16 TANK When We 2043 1804 239 11.422

#16 (+2)

+72 spins

+0.461 audience

 

URBAN AC (Published US)

TANK When We

3 2 TANK When We 1819 1745 74 11.982

#2 (=)

+40 spins

+0.449 audience

 

TANK IS COMING FOR A NEW PEAK  Yesssss the longevity

 

_______________________________

 

URBAN AC (Published US)

EN VOGUE Rocket

11 9 EN VOGUE Rocket 1372 1273 99 7.985

#9 (+1)

+10 spins

-0.062 audience:

URBAN (Published US)

TANK When We

19 17 TANK When We 2085 1821 264 11.886

#17 (-1)

+42 spins

+0.464 audience

 

URBAN AC (Published US)

TANK When We

3 2 TANK When We 1811 1769 42 12.017

#2 (=)

-8 spins

+0.035 audience

 

URBAN AC (Published US)

EN VOGUE Rocket

11 9 EN VOGUE Rocket 1362 1279 83 8

#9 (=)

-10 spins

+0.015 audience

[theweekend]

Please, someone can post Cardi B’s I Like It update? Thanks anyway 

[LesFleur]

URBAN AC (Published US)

CHANTE MOORE One Love

43 47 CHANTE MOORE One Love f/Lewis Sky 60 64 -4 0.299

 

 

Chante promote please

 

Edited April 16, 2018 by JonathanLGardner

[Blue Rose]

Top 40: Zedd/Maren/Grey Hold Top Spot; Camila Runner Up; Weeknd/Kendrick Top 5; Mendes Top 15; Puth Leads Debuts 

* ZEDD, MAREN MORRIS & GREY hold the top spot with "The Middle" for a 3rd consecutive week and breaks the 18,000 spin barrier - up 284 spins
* CAMILA CABELLO is setting up for back to back #1's with "Never Be The Same," up 4*-2* and +1348 spins
* THE WEEKND & KENDRICK LAMAR are now top 5 with "Pray For Me," moving 7*-5* and +821 spins 
* SHAWN MENDES goes top 15 in his fourth week with "In My Blood," up 17*-15* and +1102 
* CHARLIE PUTH leads a quartet of new entries at 31* with "Done For Me," featuring KEHLANI, up 1070 spins
* G-EAZY featuring CHARLIE PUTH, RUDIMENTAL featuring GLYNE and MACKLEMORE, and IN REAL LIFE

Rhythmic: Drake Returns To #1, Scores Huge Debut At #14; Khalid X Normani Top 20; Big Boi, The Weeknd, Bebe Rexha Also Debut

* DRAKE returns to the #1 spot with "God's Plan"
* And he also scores a giant debut at 14* with "Nice For What," and is the #1 Greatest Gainer at +1967 spins
* KHALID X NORMANI go top 20 with "Love Lies," up 209 spins
* BIG BOI enters at 36* with "All Night"
* THE WEEKND and BEBE REXHA also enter the chart

Urban: Drake #1 For 9th Week; Blocboy JB Runner Up; Khaled & Co. Top 5; Ella Mai, SZA, Rae Sremmurd Top 10; Drake Debuts At #14

* DRAKE holds the top spot at Urban for a 9th week with "God's Plan" 
* He will essentially have to hold off a song he's on himself as "Look Alive" by BLOCBOY JB, featuring DRAKE, goes 3*-2* and is +410
* DJ KHALED, JAY Z, FUTURE & BEYONCE motor into the top 5 with "Top Off," rising 6*-5* and +181 spins
* Newcomer ELLA MAI enters the top 10 in her sixth week on the chart with "Boo'd Up," rising 13*-8* and +410 spins
* SZA also goes top 10 with "Broken Clocks," rising 11*-9* and +131 spins
* RAE SREMMURD is the third top entry with "Powerglide," up 14*-10* and is +353 spins
* DRAKE scores an identical chart debut at Rhythmic and Urban as "Nice For What" enters at 14* and he is +2148 here
* DRAKE is also featured on "Walk It Talk It" by MIGOS, up 28*-17* and +616 spins
* If you add up those three songs by BLOCBOY JB, DRAKE solo, and DRAKE, he's up 3174 spins (wow)
* POST MALONE goes top 20 with "Psycho," featuring TY DOLLA $IGN, up 22*-20*
* TORY LANEZ has the other debut at 39* with "B.I.D (Bust It Down)"

Hot AC: Bebe Rexha New Chart Topper; Meghan Trainor Top 10; Mendes, Camila Top 15; X Ambassadors Top 20 

* BEBE REXHA takes over the top spot this week with "Meant To Be," featuring FLORIDA GEORGIA LINE, up 2*-1* and +188 spins
* MEGHAN TRAINOR has another top 10 hit at Hot AC with "No Excuses" up 11*-10* and +249 spins
* SHAWN MENDES goes top 15 with "In My Blood," rising 17*-13* and +670 spins
* CAMILA CABELLO follows him as she goes 16*-14* with "Never Be The Same," up 571 spins
* X AMBASSADORS enter the top 20 with "Ahead Of Myself"
* CHARLIE PUTH also with a big debut here at 31* with "Done For Me," featuring KEHLANI
* HALSEY and DRAKE also enter the chart

[Heart.me]

8 hours ago, theweekend said:

Please, someone can post Cardi B’s I Like It update? Thanks anyway 

CARDI B - I Like It 6.186 

[theweekend]

3 hours ago, Heart.me said:

CARDI B - I Like It 6.186 

Thank you 

 

[FAN]

Charlie on his way to another hit and still no album

 

Is Camila going #1 on Pop? It's still so far away

[Starkboy]

POP

1. The Middle : 18.456 (+67) | 109.776 (-0.535)

2. Never Be The Same : 15.806 (+271) | 88.689 (+1.489)

3. Meant To Be : 15.161 (+71) | 78.345 (+0.665)

4 (+1) Pray For Me : 12.475 (+131) | 75.959 (+1.240)

6. God's Plan : 11.925 (+111) | 67.386 (+1.259)

9. New Rules : 9.849 (+10) | 72.300 (-0.258)

10. Whatever It Takes : 9.304 (+95) | 44.423 (+0.455)

 

11 (+1) Wait : 8.936 (+116) | 45.097 (+0.937)

13. Mine : 7.673 (+161) | 41.072 (+0.782)

14. FRIENDS : 7.583 (+125) | 36.151 (+0.491)

15. In My Blood : 7.054 (+99) | 40.202 (+0.523)

16 (+1) No Excuses : 6.656 (+19) | 27.718 (+0.087)

19. All The Stars : 5.926 (-8) | 32.779 (-0.111)

20. Tell Me You Love Me : 5.806 (+3) | 28.649 (+0.199)

 

21. Psycho : 5.179 (+143) | 29.077 (+1.062)

22. IDGAF : 5.043 (+65) | 22.978 (+0.401)

23 (+1) Delicate : 4.289 (+41) | 19.396 (+0.366)

25. On The Loose : 3.275 (+53) | 11.628 (+0.221)

26. Alone : 3.089 (+81) | 15.149 (+0.510)

27. No Roots : 2.822 (-9) | 11.140 (+0.124)

29. One Kiss : 2.354 (+216) | 17.364 (+0.685)

30. Done For Me : 2.222 (+225) | 9.339 (+0.956)