Auburn Posted July 28, 2019 Share Posted July 28, 2019 54 minutes ago, Hurem said: Nah, he’s dead serious about it. And NRO callouts are improving because it’s impossible for them to get more awful. the callouts are improving because familiarity is improving, which also affects callout scores (not just pos/neg ratings) which is why songs start lower and then rise NRO's callouts aren't amazing but it still has a higher potential because it has generally low familiarity Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Witnessed ET Posted July 28, 2019 Share Posted July 28, 2019 16 minutes ago, Hurem said: Miss thing if I was angry about NRO doing good I’d be fuming back when it was doing good on streaming. I hate the fact that radio has so much value in Hot 100 simply because it’s clear they don’t care what people wanna hear, just what label pays them to play. I just think it’s hilarious when people celebrate radio success. Like your label payed someone to play your fave’s song... cool. They thought they did something. Oh so we’re not allowed to celebrate radio success(payolad or not) even if it helps with the song’s longevity? Stop telling others what to do. If you’re mad at labels paying radio stations then stop projecting that anger towards fans. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Witnessed ET Posted July 28, 2019 Share Posted July 28, 2019 (edited) 5 minutes ago, Auburn said: the callouts are improving because familiarity is improving, which also affects callout scores (not just pos/neg ratings) which is why songs start lower and then rise NRO's callouts aren't amazing but it still has a higher potential because it has generally low familiarity I mean.... the mentality that “if a song is low on call outs, it HAS to get negative updates or I’m gonna be angry” ....like what even OT: also didn’t ed sheeran’s cross me have high familiarity and high burn rate so it fizzled quickly? I think nro had better odds in that part. Edited July 28, 2019 by Witnessed ET Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Auburn Posted July 28, 2019 Share Posted July 28, 2019 5 minutes ago, Witnessed ET said: I mean.... the mentality that “if a song is low on call outs, it HAS to get negative updates or I’m gonna be angry” ....like what even OT: also didn’t ed sheeran’s cross me have high familiarity and high burn rate so it fizzled quickly? I think nro had better odds in that part. Cross Me actually has a lower familiarity than NRO but it does have a higher burn score so people who are hearing it are already tired of it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ger Posted July 28, 2019 Share Posted July 28, 2019 49 minutes ago, Auburn said: http://www.mmr247.com/mmrweb/call/callout.asp?VIEWID=&GRC=C this one from 8/23/2013 shows its at #20 out 29 Use the Potential score, it's more useful to see what's the near future of the song. Pop Score takes in account the fammiliarity, giving most popular songs a big advantage. Pop Score is more a current total of the song's sucess on the chart, if you're now you don't have a chance because you're not "known" enough. I prefer Potential score because it just considers: Net Reaction, Favoritism and Heavy Burnout, which in my opinion it's more useful. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jorq Posted July 28, 2019 Share Posted July 28, 2019 The song just sounds too good on radio. That's it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Auburn Posted July 28, 2019 Share Posted July 28, 2019 6 minutes ago, Ger-55 said: Use the Potential score, it's more useful to see what's the near future of the song. Pop Score takes in account the fammiliarity, giving most popular songs a big advantage. Pop Score is more a current total of the song's sucess on the chart, if you're now you don't have a chance because you're not "known" enough. I prefer Potential score because it just considers: Net Reaction, Favoritism and Heavy Burnout, which in my opinion it's more useful. oh that makes sense, do you know which score radio DJs use more? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FAN Posted July 28, 2019 Share Posted July 28, 2019 3 hours ago, jdanton2 said: interested to see the callouts for Senorita. it is looking like a potential #1 at Pop and if the callouts are good it will make it even more likely to happen. Me too. It’s massive on every metric around the world so the GP clearly loves the song. I feel like even if the callouts are bad it won’t matter seeing as though it’s Top 5 on iTunes, Spotify, YouTube etc in the US. @Mediabase any tea? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ger Posted July 28, 2019 Share Posted July 28, 2019 40 minutes ago, Auburn said: oh that makes sense, do you know which score radio DJs use more? No idea (but Potential score seems correct to me, at least to predict what's next for the song). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Auburn Posted July 28, 2019 Share Posted July 28, 2019 5 minutes ago, Ger-55 said: No idea (but Potential score seems correct to me, at least to predict what's next for the song). poor NRO, I'm still shocked about its callouts because it seemed like everyone loved the song from the beginning Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hurem Posted July 28, 2019 Share Posted July 28, 2019 58 minutes ago, Witnessed ET said: Oh so we’re not allowed to celebrate radio success(payolad or not) even if it helps with the song’s longevity? Stop telling others what to do. If you’re mad at labels paying radio stations then stop projecting that anger towards fans. "Stop telling others what to do" *tells me what I should do* Anyways, I've been laughing at people using callout scores as receipts for a long time, not just now that Katy is doing horrible numbers yet getting good updates, so this isn't an anti-Katy thing. I'm just pointing out how callout scores are irrelevant. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Witnessed ET Posted July 28, 2019 Share Posted July 28, 2019 2 hours ago, Auburn said: poor NRO, I'm still shocked about its callouts because it seemed like everyone loved the song from the beginning Yeah I think it was because of the sample they used from the song which turned off a lot of people because it was the fast part of the chorus which was polarizing. Otherwise, almost everyone who has heard the song has praised it. 2 hours ago, Hurem said: "Stop telling others what to do" *tells me what I should do* Anyways, I've been laughing at people using callout scores as receipts for a long time, not just now that Katy is doing horrible numbers yet getting good updates, so this isn't an anti-Katy thing. I'm just pointing out how callout scores are irrelevant. I might have told you what to do, but it’s on a positive note. And yeah, she’s getting good updates because radio is playing her song. We can't blame them if they continue to play it, just because the callouts are bad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Auburn Posted July 28, 2019 Share Posted July 28, 2019 23 minutes ago, Witnessed ET said: Yeah I think it was because of the sample they used from the song which turned off a lot of people because it was the fast part of the chorus which was polarizing. Otherwise, almost everyone who has heard the song has praised it. I 100% agree with that, I would love to see if it has an impact if they changed the sample section they use for the survey, which will never happen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starkboy Posted July 28, 2019 Share Posted July 28, 2019 6 hours ago, Hurem said: The way y'all keep twisting the way callouts work. Why is it so hard for you to accept that radio plays only what it's payed to play? In what world does a song that's getting horrible callout scores week after week go back to positive updates and +120 bullet? Sometimes you claim radio plays songs because they're doing great on streaming, or because they're callout scores are good, but what's your excuse for Never Really Over? It's #55 on Spotify weekly chart, #32 on iTunes, getting less than 400k daily views, and it's getting horrible callouts. If you really think the reason behind the sudden radio boost is the fact that callout scores went from horrible to a bit less horrible, you're delusional. the irony you're the one complaining daily about radio playing NRO despite bad callouts. just deal with it. you certainly care more about its updates than me. Maybe you can start complaining tweeting each station not to play it if that makes you feel better. You're calling me delusional when I've never claimed NRO plays are "organic" or whatever. I just pointed how callouts tend to affect longevity more + the way you're biased cause you keep fuming about NRO updates but you keep your mouth shut about Panic!'s song when it's lower on iTunes and #174 on Spotify. but that's not a problem for you right? ME! debuted with absolutely tragic callouts back on May 31st Net Positive (05/31) 16. (NE) ME! 12.2 (last) Yet it kept increasing/stayed stable for weeks (it went as high as #7 on pop), started freefalling only on June 19th. where were your comments back then? 6 hours ago, State of Grace. said: NRO will most likely serve a ME!-sized fall in the next few weeks and have terrible longevity (again if the callouts don’t get much better soon). Capitol was just still promoting to get that #10 peak this week since it was the song’s last chance. She also has a new song coming in less than two weeks. Ariana’s songs a perfect example of callouts affecting a song’s longevity imo. Now she’s obviously not getting horrible scores but they are also not good enough to keep her songs in the Top 10 of Pop radio for moooonths. And radio is obviously forced to play them cause she does well on other metrics. (Especially streaming, aka the most important and relevant one). exactly my point. If you think callouts don't matter we're still free to think they do + keep tracking them. I do think they matter and this is just one example because I think they do. Spoiler DWAS is probably gonna be top3 on YEC pop with Sucker and Without Me 1 Without Me | 366k 2 Eastside | 328k 3 Dancing With A Stranger | 306k *2nd biggest gainer 4 Sucker | 303k *biggest gainer 5 Wow | 300k 6 7 Rings | 299k 7 High Hopes | 286k 8 Sweet But Psycho | 280k 9 Sunflower | 265k 10 thank u, next | 252k the whole top4 had insanely good callouts. Other examples of good callouts paying off: 18 Love Lies | 149k 19 Better Now | 145k Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reb'l Rêveur Posted July 28, 2019 Share Posted July 28, 2019 1 hour ago, Starkboy said: If you think callouts don't matter we're still free to think they do + keep tracking them. I do think they matter and this is just one example because I think they do. Hide contents DWAS is probably gonna be top3 on YEC pop with Sucker and Without Me 1 Without Me | 366k 2 Eastside | 328k 3 Dancing With A Stranger | 306k *2nd biggest gainer 4 Sucker | 303k *biggest gainer 5 Wow | 300k 6 7 Rings | 299k 7 High Hopes | 286k 8 Sweet But Psycho | 280k 9 Sunflower | 265k 10 thank u, next | 252k the whole top4 had insanely good callouts. Other examples of good callouts paying off: 18 Love Lies | 149k 19 Better Now | 145k Any idea where to find the current top 50 pop songs this year? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Headlock Posted July 28, 2019 Share Posted July 28, 2019 Why do we have this argument about callouts every other month They matter, move along. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
heartbeats Posted July 29, 2019 Share Posted July 29, 2019 stay mad slay a bit nro! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mendesperry Posted July 29, 2019 Share Posted July 29, 2019 holy sh*t they even managed to come here and fume mental illness top 10 pop radio hit nro Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rodrighost Posted July 29, 2019 Share Posted July 29, 2019 6 hours ago, Starkboy said: you keep fuming about NRO updates but you keep your mouth shut about Panic!'s song when it's lower on iTunes and #174 on Spotify. but that's not a problem for you right? ME! debuted with absolutely tragic callouts back on May 31st Net Positive (05/31) 16. (NE) ME! 12.2 (last) Yet it kept increasing/stayed stable for weeks (it went as high as #7 on pop), started freefalling only on June 19th. where were your comments back then? ot: NEVER REALLY OVER Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ger Posted July 29, 2019 Share Posted July 29, 2019 5 hours ago, Reb'l Rêveur said: Any idea where to find the current top 50 pop songs this year? 1. Without Me 372,037 2. Eastside 333,635 3. Sucker 317,959 4. Dancing With a Stranger 315,567 5. Wow. 308,449 6. 7 rings 303,901 7. High Hopes 290,572 8. Sweet but Psycho 285,753 9. Sunflower 271,029 10. thank u, next 254,184 11. Close to Me 251k 12. Happier 233k 13. Better 223k 14. break up with your girlfriend, i'm bored 222k 15. Talk 197k 16. Old Town Road 172k 17. Youngblood 171k 18. I Don't Care 157k 19. Love Lies 152k 20. Better Now 148k 21. Hey Look Ma, I Made It 22. bad guy 23. If I Can't Have You 24. Be Alright 25. Girls Like You 26. breathin 27. Who Do You Love 28. SICKO MODE 29. ME! 30. Cool 31. New Rules 32. Beautiful 33. Mine 34. I Like Me Better 35. when the party's over 36. This Feeling 37. I Like It 38. Tequila 39. Here With Me 40. Undrunk 41. Psycho 42. The Middle 43. Back to You 44. I've Been Waiting 45. Please Me 46. Nightmare 47. Don't Call Me Up 48. Let You Down 49. Never Really Over 50. MIA Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reb'l Rêveur Posted July 29, 2019 Share Posted July 29, 2019 Thank you very much, @Ger-55 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yog Posted July 29, 2019 Share Posted July 29, 2019 4 hours ago, Ger-55 said: 4. Dancing With a Stranger 315,567 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starkboy Posted July 29, 2019 Share Posted July 29, 2019 POP 1. I Don't Care : 18.852 (+9) | 101.189 (-0.157) 2. bad guy : 17.751 (+123) | 92.446 (+0.281) 3. Talk : 16.780 (-107) | 92.222 (-0.106) 4. If I Can't Have You : 15.863 (+51) | 80.622 (-0.265) 5. Sucker : 14.781 (-58) | 82.617 (-0.255) 6. Hey Look Ma, I Made It : 13.834 (-41) | 68.150 (-0.500) 7. Truth Hurts : 12.337 (+116) | 62.770 (+0.947) 8. Senorita : 11.177 (+245) | 67.290 (+1.715) 9. You Need To Calm Down : 9.700 (+4) | 42.832 (-0.073) 10. Never Really Over : 9.311 (+46) | 39.553 (+0.138) 11 (+2) Goodbyes : 7.724 (+138) | 38.264 (+0.597) 12 (+2) Easier : 7.134 (+54) | 30.718 (+0.216) 13 (+2) Old Town Road : 6.742 (-78) | 32.094 (-0.015) 14 (+2) Someone You Loved : 5.690 (+201) | 27.893 (+0.948) 15 (+2) Speechless : 5.581 (+94) | 25.898 (+0.525) 16 (+4) Beautiful People : 4.992 (+309) | 26.452 (+1.449) 17 (+2) Only Human : 4.966 (+191) | 23.300 (+1.093) 18. La La Land : 4.808 (-56) | 14.269 (-0.199) 19 (+2) Call You Mine : 4.303 (+87) | 16.323 (+0.409) 20 (+2) Love Me Less : 3.948 (+1) | 12.830 (-0.006) 21 (+3) Just Us : 3.797 (-13) | 11.752 (+0.034) 22 (+3) Cool : 3.531 (-217) | 18.419 (-0.798) 23. Nightmare : 3.294 (-533) | 11.766 (-2.327) 24 (+3) The Git Up : 2.918 (+143) | 9.381 (+0.570) 25 (+1) Find U Again : 2.804 (-24) | 8.752 (-0.069) 26 (+2) Trampoline : 2.705 (+52) | 13.777 (+0.511) 27 (+2) Summer Days : 2.457 (+19) | 7.965 (+0.128) 28 (+2) Paradise : 2.263 (-43) | 8.226 (-0.176) 29 (+2) Mother's Daughter : 2.158 (+48) | 7.346 (+0.085) 30 (+4) How Do You Sleep? : 1.994 (+241) | 10.601 (+1.340) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
salmi93 Posted July 29, 2019 Share Posted July 29, 2019 6 minutes ago, Starkboy said: 6. Hey Look Ma, I Made It : 13.834 (-41) | 68.150 (-0.500) Hey Look Ma, I Payolad it but now we ran out of money NRO still fighting Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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