charts discussion Billboard Charts (March 11-17, 2018)

[NoMythologies]

44 minutes ago, ChartsFan said:

I didn’t say they cared in general. We were talking about charts, and if they are curious how a song did do  they click on Wikipedia and see it’s peak. They don’t care sales  radio, chart runs,  when they do want to know, it’s was it a number five or number one hit.

 

god, people on ATRL still reading what they want a message to say and not what it says, so tiring.

I guess when I think of the GP, I don’t really think of people who check for song peaks on Wikipedia. Doesn’t sound like anybody I know. And last I checked, they don’t list songs digital peaks on Wikipedia. At least not under their charts section.

 

My point was that certain posts here that line up peaks are incredibly misleading. I don’t really care what the GP is or isn’t aware of because I’ve never met anyone in real life who gave a ****. Outside of maybe what’s #1. And certainly nobody is checking to see if their peaks line up, which is what my original comment was referencing.

 

And that last comment is just hilarious coming from you considering I can barely make a comment in this thread without you debating every single thing I say. You’ve already debated my two sentence post twice.

[Smilers]

Is Camila's album top 10 this week?

[Cesar]

On 3/14/2018 at 2:53 PM, simmnfierzig said:

20 Mine        172  (-2)

Noooo, do a live performance king 

[Adonis]

5 hours ago, slw84 said:

woulda coulda shouldas

it's like aol, msn, launch videos and other services offered streaming stats weekly in the late 90s and early 00s; however, it's not retroactively given to those songs.

 

 

 

that said, when is drake's new song coming out? I need a bop

 

Tomorrow most likely. His new show starts then.

[alexanderao]

1 hour ago, Caesar said:

Noooo, do a live performance king 

Live performances are not relevant nowadays. His team needs to focus on radio and build it up there

[Rico Shameless v2]

17 hours ago, ChartsFan said:

Because hearing a song and buying the album because you wanted to hear the album in the past, is a far cry from streaming the first single six months later, and it counting towards a sale. When you never cared in the least about the album, or cared it exists.

It’s really not. Everybody didn’t buy albums because they explicitly wanted the whole album. That’s why practices like not releasing CD singles to force fans to buy the whole album were a thing. Unless you have some statistical data to show. Otherwise, there’s plenty of examples of this effect. Digital era kicked off, “cherry picking” became a thing - people just buying the singles. Hence acts like Beyoncé limiting her releases to album only. Now in the streaming era, the singles are the largest played.

 

It’s just so silly to me how y’all are pretty much writing off the entire idea of promoted singles. That’s the driving force of buying or streaming any album. Somebody listening to a single 6 months later on Spotify is no different than popping in a CD to hear the same song. It’s just now nobody buys albums and there has to be a way to compensate. If I stream “Bille Jean” today along with 1,499 other people it most definitely should be a sale for Thriller.

Edited March 17, 2018 by Rico Shameless v2

[slw84]

Wow I wasn't aware drake was close to being the male with the most top 10s.

1. Michael Jackson (29)

2. Stevie Wonder (28)

3. Elton John (27)

4. Elvis Presley (25)

5. Paul McCartney (23)

5. Drake (23)

7. Jay-Z (21)

8. Prince (19)

8. Lil Wayne (19)

pull through next era

ok now

[fridayteenage]

selected songs, peaks on spotify (using kworb), pop radio (using wiki), & Digital Songs (using pulse music board):

havana 2, 1, 1

sorry not sorry 6, 1, 2

wolves 3, 6, 5

ready for it 6, 12, 1

never be the same 5, 10, 5

meant to be 15, 6, 3

bodak 1, 23, 3

bad at love 22, 2, 6

[Adonis]

16 minutes ago, ChartsFan said:

Sadly all kinds of records will fall with all the “features” of today.

 

the charts aren’t really comparable anymore,

 

i like reclrds bekng broken, but I like them on equal footing,

This is probably a new era we are in. We are in the digital era and no longer in the Rock era. 

[brianc33710]

3 hours ago, ChartsFan said:

Sadly all kinds of records will fall with all the “features” of today.

 

the charts aren’t really comparable anymore,

 

i like reclrds bekng broken, but I like them on equal footing,

Yeah. Since BB only gives featured artists 1/3 of a songs points, maybe BB should only count featured contributions for an artist in the same manner. So, for every featured performance, three songs would equal one song for the artist's total number of hits.

[brianc33710]

On 3/16/2018 at 3:51 PM, slw84 said:

lol.

but times have changed. I embrace the change but certain aspects I don't get like an album being streamed 500M times when it's really 3 songs that make up 80% of it and the other tracks have around 10M streams a piece. Doesn't that mean the album was streamed 10M times as well as the double counting aspect of things BUt hey it's just rain on my raincoat in the grander scheme.

 

I'm missing the movement on the hot 100 though. Ah the good ole days

Until BB reweighs the metrics, and/or add another component like Touch Tunes, the charts will continue to move at a snail's pace. Sales are way down, but streaming's dominance over the point totals needs to be brought into check somehow.

[brianc33710]

On 3/16/2018 at 3:51 PM, slw84 said:

lol.

but times have changed. I embrace the change but certain aspects I don't get like an album being streamed 500M times when it's really 3 songs that make up 80% of it and the other tracks have around 10M streams a piece. Doesn't that mean the album was streamed 10M times as well as the double counting aspect of things BUt hey it's just rain on my raincoat in the grander scheme.

 

I'm missing the movement on the hot 100 though. Ah the good ole days

I think that streaming should be broken down into four levels, not just three.

 

1) ODS paid subscriptions

2) ODS non-paid subscriptions

3) YouTube, and try to negate the effect of viral videos.....maybe only allow the official video, an official lyric video, and one live performance

4) "radio streaming," like Pandora, Slacker, I-Heart Radio, etc.

BB plans to weigh 2 and 3 the same. I don't agree with that.

 

EDIT: I didn't realize I had responded to the same post twice. But, combining the responses would have confused more than helped.

Edited March 18, 2018 by brianc33710

[Kékette]

What is the average age of people that have been #01 in 2017 ? (about single)

[slw84]

10 hours ago, ChartsFan said:

Sadly all kinds of records will fall with all the “features” of today.

 

the charts aren’t really comparable anymore,

 

i like reclrds bekng broken, but I like them on equal footing,

They were never on equal footing. They all were snapshots in time.

At one point platinum meant 2M in sales (for albums or singles but not for both) during the 60s and 70s I believe.

in the 80s there was a 50/50 split between sales and radio and songs like the classic No doubt Don't speak were #1 for 16 weeks on airplay couldn't even chart on hot 100.

Things change but I do agree the solo vs features is a distinction that can be made to show a difference.

 

10 hours ago, Adonis said:

This is probably a new era we are in. We are in the digital era and no longer in the Rock era. 

We love the late 2000s/early 2010s...

[slw84]

6 hours ago, brianc33710 said:

Until BB reweighs the metrics, and/or add another component like Touch Tunes, the charts will continue to move at a snail's pace. Sales are way down, but streaming's dominance over the point totals needs to be brought into check somehow.

yes

6 hours ago, brianc33710 said:

I think that streaming should be broken down into four levels, not just three.

 

1) ODS paid subscriptions

2) ODS non-paid subscriptions

3) YouTube, and try to negate the effect of viral videos.....maybe only allow the official video, an official lyric video, and one live performance

4) "radio streaming," like Pandora, Slacker, I-Heart Radio, etc.

BB plans to weigh 2 and 3 the same. I don't agree with that.

 

EDIT: I didn't realize I had responded to the same post twice. But, combining the responses would have confused more than helped.

makes sense.

 

[NoMythologies]

Final Predictions

 

1. God’s Plan 651 (=) 8 weeks #1

2. Perfect 332 (=)

3. Finesse 323 (=)

4. Meant to Be 316 (+1)

5. Psycho 292 (-1)

6. The Middle 280 (+2)

7. Look Alive 280 (=)

8. Havana 266 (-2)

9. Pray For Me 255 (=)

10. All the Stars 220 (+1)

11. Stir Fry 213 (-1)

12. Rockstar 208 (=)

13. Let You Down 199 (=)

14. Never Be the Same 194 (+5)

15. Ric Flair Drip 191 (+1)

16. New Rules 189 (-2)

17. Mine 181 (+1)

18. Him & I 181 (-3)

19. Sad! 172 (-2)

20. King’s Dead 165 (+3)

 

21. Thunder 159 (-1)

22. I Fall Apart 158 (-1)

23. Lights Down Low 152 (+1)

24. Whatever It Takes 144 (+10)

25. Plug Walk 140 (+23)

26. Everyday 138 (+17)

27. Say Something 137 (+5)

28. Marry Me 137 (+5)

29. Gummo 135 (-1)

30. Feel It Still 133 (=)

31. Bad at Love 132 (-4)

32. Bartier Cardi 132 (-3)

33. Outside Today 130 (-2)

34. Wait 128 (+5)

35. Wolves 128 (-10)

36. You Make It Easy 122 (+2)

37. Heaven 122 (+5)

38. Love. 121 (-12)

39. How Long 120 (-2)

40. Motorsport 118 (-5)

Edited March 18, 2018 by NoMythologies

[IAMRodrigo]

27. Say Something 137 (+5)

 

Itunes is still a thing

Spoiler

The only platform where SS still lives

 

Edited March 18, 2018 by IAMRodrigo

[NoMythologies]

Estimated Breakdown

 

1. God’s Plan - 74.5M streams (70%) + 103M airplay (19%) + 51k sales (11%)

2. Perfect - 22M streams (40%) + 125M airplay (45%) + 36k sales (15%)

3. Finesse - 22M streams (41%) + 136M airplay (50%) + 21k sales (9%)

4. Meant to Be - 24.5M streams (43%) + 106M airplay (40%) + 38k sales (17%)

5. Psycho - 36.5M streams (78%) + 26M airplay (11%) + 22k sales (11%)

6. The Middle - 22M streams (46%) + 79M airplay (34%) + 40k sales (20%)

7. Look Alive - 36M streams (82%) + 27M airplay (11%) + 14k sales (7%)

8. Havana - 21M streams (49%) + 84M airplay (38%) + 25k sales (13%)

9. Pray For Me - 22M streams (51%) + 76M airplay (35%) + 25k sales (14%)

10. All the Stars - 23.5M streams (67%) + 44M airplay (24%) + 15k sales (9%)

 

11. Stir Fry - 25M streams (73%) + 34M airplay (19%) + 12k sales (8%)

12. Rockstar - 22M streams (64%) + 49M airplay (28%) + 12k sales (8%)

13. Let You Down - 14.5M streams (41%) + 78M airplay (46%) + 19k sales (13%)

14. Never Be the Same - 15M streams (47%) + 53M airplay (33%) + 28k sales (20%)

15. Ric Flair Drip - 24.5M streams (81%) + 20M airplay (12%) + 9k sales (7%)

16. New Rules - 12.5M streams (39%) + 86M airplay (54%) + 9k sales (7%)

17. Mine - 23M streams (75%) + 22M airplay (14%) + 14k sales (11%)

18. Him & I - 11M streams (35%) + 85M airplay (57%) + 11k sales (8%)

19. Sad! - 24M streams (92%) + 0 airplay + 9k sales (8%)

20. King’s Dead - 23.5M streams (89%) + 10M airplay (7%) + 5k sales (4%)

 

60% Streaming ; 29% radio ; 11% sales

[FREE]

51 minutes ago, NoMythologies said:

Final Predictions

 

1. God’s Plan 651 (=) 8 weeks #1

2. Perfect 332 (=)

3. Finesse 323 (=)

4. Meant to Be 316 (+1)

5. Psycho 292 (-1)

6. The Middle 280 (+2)

7. Look Alive 280 (=)

8. Havana 266 (-2)

9. Pray For Me 255 (=)

10. All the Stars 220 (+1)

11. Stir Fry 213 (-1)

12. Rockstar 208 (=)

13. Let You Down 199 (=)

14. Never Be the Same 194 (+5)

15. Ric Flair Drip 191 (+1)

16. New Rules 189 (-2)

17. Mine 181 (+1)

18. Him & I 181 (-3)

19. Sad! 172 (-2)

20. King’s Dead 165 (+3)

 

21. Thunder 159 (-1)

22. I Fall Apart 158 (-1)

23. Lights Down Low 152 (+1)

24. Whatever It Takes 144 (+10)

25. Plug Walk 140 (+23)

26. Everyday 138 (+17)

27. Say Something 137 (+5)

28. Marry Me 137 (+5)

29. Gummo 135 (-1)

30. Feel It Still 133 (=)

31. Bad at Love 132 (-4)

32. Bartier Cardi 132 (-3)

33. Outside Today 130 (-2)

34. Wait 128 (+5)

35. Wolves 128 (-10)

36. You Make It Easy 122 (+2)

37. Heaven 122 (+5)

38. Love. 121 (-12)

39. How Long 120 (-2)

40. Motorsport 118 (-5)

do you think NBTS can go top ten?

[NoMythologies]

1 minute ago, FREE said:

do you think NBTS can go top ten?

I definitely think it has top ten potential. But it needs more radio AirPlay. A discount on iTunes wouldn’t hurt either.

[FREE]

4 minutes ago, NoMythologies said:

I definitely think it has top ten potential. But it needs more radio AirPlay. A discount on iTunes wouldn’t hurt either.

just got 244+ spins today 

[Sinister]

Meant to Be really going #2 soon and Fin3sse couldn't even snatch a week there?

 

I really thought it would've been massive...I guess Twitter won 

[QueenofCopyPaste]

Drake still not peaking on radio

 

He better release the new single soon to dethrone God's Plan

[QueenofCopyPaste]

2 minutes ago, Sinister said:

Meant to Be really going #2 soon and Fin3sse couldn't even snatch a week there?

 

I really thought it would've been massive...I guess Twitter won 

Finesse is massive especially on radio.  It's about timing. 

[NoMythologies]

21 minutes ago, FREE said:

just got 244+ spins today 

Yup. I’m pretty confident it’ll at least get close to #1 on pop.