Enoch Posted March 2, 2018 Posted March 2, 2018 2 hours ago, Tremor Christ said: I looked for Work It immediately lol. I guess it fell fast after hitting #2? It spent a long time at 2 then just fell fast
ClashAndBurn Posted March 2, 2018 Posted March 2, 2018 4 minutes ago, iHype. said: A Diamond song "wasn't that big of a hit" As far as #2s go, clearly it wasn't (in terms of chart performance) if it barely made the top 40. Recurrent performance and retroactively adding in data to inflate a song's certification isn't relevant to the ranking.
iHype. Posted March 2, 2018 Posted March 2, 2018 10 minutes ago, ClashAndBurn said: As far as #2s go, clearly it wasn't (in terms of chart performance) if it barely made the top 40. Recurrent performance and retroactively adding in data to inflate a song's certification isn't relevant to the ranking. I mean, clearly, Bohemian Rhapsody which also peaked at #2 and isn't even top 40 wasn't that big at the time. And your last sentence contradicts itself. You called her Diamond certification 'recurrent performance', then said they 'retroactively added data' implying its bulk of the Diamond performance was during its chart run. Was it a strong recurrent hit, or a strong hit during its original run that caused it to go Diamond?
ClashAndBurn Posted March 2, 2018 Posted March 2, 2018 10 minutes ago, iHype. said: I mean, clearly, Bohemian Rhapsody which also peaked at #2 and isn't even top 40 wasn't that big at the time. And your last sentence contradicts itself. You called her Diamond certification 'recurrent performance', then said they 'retroactively added data' implying its bulk of the Diamond performance was during its chart run. Was it a strong recurrent hit, or a strong hit during its original run that caused it to go Diamond? Well, "Bohemian Rhapsody" wasn't that big of a chart hit. It's a staple of Queen's career, for sure, but even then, it only even charted at #2 because of Freddie Mercury's death. It's a combination of both. If they didn't retroactively add the old streams that didn't count towards its charting position back when the song was relevant, the song wouldn't even be close to Diamond (same with "Love The Way You Lie"). The only reason they were added in was because the RIAA realized their certifications were losing relevance due to sales figures going belly up in the current climate. As far as recurrent performance goes, that's not something that ever counts towards rankings like this (like the All Time Hot 100) so it plays no part on how big of a "chart hit" Bad Romance was. Clearly it did perform well recurrently, or it wouldn't have gotten to 5 million US sales. Nowhere near as much as her two much larger sellers "Poker Face" and "Just Dance" got
iHype. Posted March 2, 2018 Posted March 2, 2018 10 minutes ago, ClashAndBurn said: Well, "Bohemian Rhapsody" wasn't that big of a chart hit. It's a staple of Queen's career, for sure, but even then, it only even charted at #2 because of Freddie Mercury's death. It's a combination of both. If they didn't retroactively add the old streams that didn't count towards its charting position back when the song was relevant, the song wouldn't even be close to Diamond (same with "Love The Way You Lie"). The only reason they were added in was because the RIAA realized their certifications were losing relevance due to sales figures going belly up in the current climate. As far as recurrent performance goes, that's not something that ever counts towards rankings like this (like the All Time Hot 100) so it plays no part on how big of a "chart hit" Bad Romance was. Clearly it did perform well recurrently, or it wouldn't have gotten to 5 million US sales. Nowhere near as much as her two much larger sellers "Poker Face" and "Just Dance" got 4 But you weren't referring to charting. 55 minutes ago, ClashAndBurn said: Huh. Guess "Bad Romance" wasn't that big of a hit after all. You were saying it wasn't that big in general. Now you're trying to specifically refer to "chart hit" and chart wise once called out. Charting doesn't completely define as to how big of a hit something is/was. And there is dozens of examples of clear huge hits at the time of release, that don't rank high on these all-time charts. Yes, all-time charts are good for measuring the biggest chart reigns but in no way is something invalidated as a hit because it didn't go high on the all-time charts. Also, you stating Bad Romance performed well recurrently all of a sudden is funny. You used to call Bad Romance forgotten: https://classic.atrl.net/forums/showthread.php?p=33554412#post33554412 I guess when you can't downplay the Diamond certification being a testament to how big it was during its run, you suddenly have to switch and now claim its recurrent activity was the reason for the Diamond cert and it 'wasn't that big during its run'?
ClashAndBurn Posted March 2, 2018 Posted March 2, 2018 5 minutes ago, iHype. said: But you weren't referring to charting. You were saying it wasn't that big in general. Now you're trying to specifically refer to "chart hit" and chart wise once called out. Charting doesn't completely define as to how big of a hit something is/was. And there is dozens of examples of clear huge hits at the time of release, that don't rank high on these all-time charts. Yes, all-time charts are good for measuring the biggest chart reigns but in no way is something invalidated as a hit because it didn't go high on the all-time charts. Also, you stating Bad Romance performed well recurrently all of a sudden is funny. You used to call Bad Romance forgotten: https://classic.atrl.net/forums/showthread.php?p=33554412#post33554412 I guess when you can't downplay the Diamond certification being a testament to how big it was during its run, you suddenly have to switch and now claim its recurrent activity was the reason for the Diamond cert and it 'wasn't that big during its run'? I said that in 2016 and it wasn't wrong by then. "Bad Romance" was forgotten 6 years after its peak like most pop songs usually are. It didn't receive much in the way of recurrent airplay, nor was it still selling like "Rolling In The Deep." She reminded everyone of its existence by performing it at the Super Bowl, allowing it to chart again, sure. But that doesn't make it wholly remembered or a "classic" like this site likes to claim it is. But, yeah. Keep defending an artist that you also like to drag for various things in SYG, I guess.
iHype. Posted March 2, 2018 Posted March 2, 2018 4 minutes ago, ClashAndBurn said: I said that in 2016 and it wasn't wrong by then. "Bad Romance" was forgotten 6 years after its peak like most pop songs usually are. It didn't receive much in the way of recurrent airplay, nor was it still selling like "Rolling In The Deep." She reminded everyone of its existence by performing it at the Super Bowl, allowing it to chart again, sure. But that doesn't make it wholly remembered or a "classic" like this site likes to claim it is. But, yeah. Keep defending an artist that you also like to drag for various things in SYG, I guess. So Bad Romance wasn't that big of a hit during its run, and also became strongly forgotten a few years later. Yet somehow it went Diamond? What is the excuse for all the other #2 hits, and especially #1 hits, from the same period that weren't 'that big' and became forgotten a few years later not being Diamond? Keep spewing a bunch of nonsense though because you think it'll erase the fact you spent hundreds on her, stanned hardcore, and dedicated years of your life to her you can't take back.
ClashAndBurn Posted March 2, 2018 Posted March 2, 2018 11 minutes ago, iHype. said: So Bad Romance wasn't that big of a hit during its run, and also became strongly forgotten a few years later. Yet somehow it went Diamond? What is the excuse for all the other #2 hits, and especially #1 hits, from the same period that weren't 'that big' and became forgotten a few years later not being Diamond? Keep spewing a bunch of nonsense though because you think it'll erase the fact you spent hundreds on her, stanned hardcore, and dedicated years of your life to her you can't take back. lol, stop pretending that you know me. I haven't spent "hundreds" on her, or any other single artist, in the slightest. I get what you're trying to do though. But it's not working on me.
iHype. Posted March 2, 2018 Posted March 2, 2018 Just now, ClashAndBurn said: lol, stop pretending that you know me. I haven't spent "hundreds" on her, or any other single artist, in the slightest. I get what you're trying to do though. But it's not working on me. All I was trying to do was to show how wrong you were. And it worked seeing as you dropped discussing the topic at hand.
slw84 Posted March 2, 2018 Posted March 2, 2018 On 2/25/2018 at 3:22 PM, Green said: The Biggest No. 2 Billboard Hot 100 Hits 40, "Party All the Time," Eddie Murphy, peak year: 1985 39, "Get Up and Boogie (That's Right)," Silver Convention, 1976 38, "Bird Dog," The Everly Brothers, 1958 37, "Bad Romance," Lady Gaga, 2009 36, "Exodus," Ferrante & Teicher, 1961 35, "Stay With Me," Sam Smith, 2014 34, "All That She Wants," Ace Of Base, 1993 33, "1, 2 Step," Ciara feat. Missy Elliott, 2005 32, "Woman," John Lennon, 1981 31, "It's All Coming Back to Me Now," Celine Dion, 1996 30, "Gloria," Laura Branigan, 1982 29, "I Love You Always Forever," Donna Lewis, 1996 28, "Dancing Machine," Jackson 5, 1974 27, "Twisted," Keith Sweat, 1996 26, "Nobody's Supposed to Be Here," Deborah Cox, 1998 25, "You Belong With Me," Taylor Swift, 2009 24, "Limbo Rock," Chubby Checker, 1962 23, "Quit Playing Games (With My Heart)," Backstreet Boys, 1997 22, "Since U Been Gone," Kelly Clarkson, 2005 21, "Y.M.C.A.," Village People, 1979 20, "Thinking Out Loud," Ed Sheeran, 2015 19, "I'd Really Love to See You Tonight," England Dan & John Ford Coley, 1976 18, "Trap Queen," Fetty Wap, 2015 17, "Dynamite," Taio Cruz, 2010 16, "From a Distance," Bette Midler, 1990 15, "I Wanna Sex You Up," Color Me Badd, 1991 14, "Need You Now," Lady Antebellum, 2010 13, "He'll Have to Go," Jim Reeves, 1960 12, "Hanging by a Moment," Lifehouse, 2001 11, "Breathe," Faith Hill, 2000 10, "Counting Stars," OneRepublic, 2014 9, "Nobody Knows," The Tony Rich Project, 1996 8, "You Make Me Wanna…," Usher, 1997 7, "Hurts So Good," John Cougar, 1982 6, "Waiting for a Girl Like You," Foreigner, 1981 5, "You're Still the One," Shania Twain, 1998 4, "Whoomp! (There It Is)," Tag Team, 1993 3, Apologize," Timbaland feat. OneRepublic, 2007 2, "You Were Meant for Me"/"Foolish Games," Jewel, 1997 (yes, the No. 2-biggest No. 2 hit of all time; and, of course, it's a two-sided hit) and … 1, "How Do I Live," LeAnn Rimes, 1997 https://www.billboard.com/articles/columns/chart-beat/8218920/-lady-gaga-sales-number-2-hot-100-hits-ed-sheeran-record-ask-billboard where is Missy's work it???
Green Posted March 2, 2018 Author Posted March 2, 2018 Why are some of you bringing Diamond certifications to this? This is based on chart runs on the Billboard Hot 100. It's like saying that Baby should be the biggest hit of all time on the Hot 100 just because it's certified 12x Platinum
iHype. Posted March 2, 2018 Posted March 2, 2018 12 minutes ago, Green said: Why are some of you bringing Diamond certifications to this? This is based on chart runs on the Billboard Hot 100. It's like saying that Baby should be the biggest hit of all time on the Hot 100 just because it's certified 12x Platinum Hush or quote me next time, he said Bad Romance 'wasn't that big of a hit'. How would a Diamond song be 'not that big of a hit'. I didn't say it should be high on the all-time list. I just disagreed with the logic of saying it's not a big hit because it's not high on the all-time chart, especially when it has a Diamond certification.
Isaiah Posted March 2, 2018 Posted March 2, 2018 But monsters told me BR was the biggest #2 of all time??
R!ck Posted March 2, 2018 Posted March 2, 2018 2 hours ago, Green said: Why are some of you bringing Diamond certifications to this? This is based on chart runs on the Billboard Hot 100. It's like saying that Baby should be the biggest hit of all time on the Hot 100 just because it's certified 12x Platinum .
Enoch Posted March 2, 2018 Posted March 2, 2018 On 2/25/2018 at 0:22 PM, Green said: 8, "You Make Me Wanna…," Usher, 1997 iconic song ....and iconic messy thumbnail
MrPeanut Posted March 2, 2018 Posted March 2, 2018 10 hours ago, Enoch said: iconic song ....and iconic messy thumbnail
Enoch Posted March 2, 2018 Posted March 2, 2018 12 minutes ago, Mariano said: Bad Romance is bigger than all of these. BR bigger than You belong with me, twisted, its all coming back to me and stay with me ?
Mariano Posted March 2, 2018 Posted March 2, 2018 26 minutes ago, Enoch said: BR bigger than You belong with me, twisted, its all coming back to me and stay with me ? That's exactly what I said + all the others in the OP too.
Enoch Posted March 2, 2018 Posted March 2, 2018 (edited) 11 minutes ago, Mariano said: That's exactly what I said + all the others in the OP too. Youre wrong though and BB and a lot of others in the thread agree with me Y.M.C.A. Is an even far bigger gay anthem than “bad romance” Edited March 2, 2018 by Enoch
Mariano Posted March 2, 2018 Posted March 2, 2018 12 minutes ago, Enoch said: Youre wrong though and BB and a lot of others in the thread agree with me Y.M.C.A. Is an even far bigger gay anthem than “bad romance” Nobody said anything about gay. Bad Romance is by far the biggest song out of these. There are a few others that are really big too. But if you honestly think these 30 something songs are all bigger than BR Then you can agree with BB and the others sharing the same opinion all you want. I can be 1 person thinking BR is bigger y'all can be 1M people thinking that and you can still be wrong, you know that right?
Enoch Posted March 2, 2018 Posted March 2, 2018 (edited) 10 minutes ago, Mariano said: Bad Romance is by far the biggest song out of these. On what stats/basis?bad romance only has sales a lot of songs above it in the list have larger recurrent airplay/ culutural impact it their heydays and even now Edited March 2, 2018 by Enoch
Mariano Posted March 2, 2018 Posted March 2, 2018 Just now, Enoch said: On what stats, bad romance only has sales a lot of songs above it have large culutural impact it their heydays and even now Bad Romance is the one with cultural impact, it was the most watched video on the internet at the time and has only gotten bigger and bigger with time. It's 12xplatinum, it charted at number 50 on the Hot 100 last year after Superbowl. Cultural Impact isn't something to use against Bad Romance And yes it does have sales. If streaming was counted back then BR would have been number 1 for weeks.
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