Bentley Posted November 13, 2017 Posted November 13, 2017 30 minutes ago, NoMythologies said: Really need to see some YouTube #'s before making any guesses about next week, but Rockstar definitely still seems to have an edge considering it's sudden jump on YouTube. If Rockstar stays above 2M daily on YT this week, I don't see Havana catching up unfortunately. I really hope she's performing at the AMA's tho as I'm not convinced at all that this is her last shot at #1. Havana isn't in the same position WT was when it was trying to top Despacito. It was already peaking on streaming and radio, whereas Havana still has lots of room to grow. Even with Havana having 4 different videos getting streamed? Vertical video, remix audio, original audio and the music video?
NoMythologies Posted November 13, 2017 Posted November 13, 2017 3 minutes ago, Bentley said: Even with Havana having 4 different videos getting streamed? Vertical video, remix audio, original audio and the music video? Not entirely sure what the effect those will have yet. Hoping to get YouTube #'s for Friday some time tonight.
NoMythologies Posted November 13, 2017 Posted November 13, 2017 9 minutes ago, Bentley said: For tomorrow? Yeah, this is for tomorrow's chart.
Bentley Posted November 13, 2017 Posted November 13, 2017 (edited) 1 minute ago, NoMythologies said: Not entirely sure what the effect those will have yet. Hoping to get YouTube #'s for Friday some time tonight. Will you give an update if you do get numbers? Im on edge sis! Havana remix audio just got added last night.... so it wont be included with those, right? Edited November 13, 2017 by Bentley
NoMythologies Posted November 13, 2017 Posted November 13, 2017 11 minutes ago, Bentley said: Will you give an update if you do get numbers? Im on edge sis! Havana remix audio just got added last night.... so it wont be included with those, right? Yeah, I'll let you know if we get something in tonight. Yup, the remix streams won't be included yet. Should have a minor effect on Saturday's streams but we won't know the full effect for a couple days.
KillingYourCareer Posted November 13, 2017 Posted November 13, 2017 I need Havana to take that #1 spot.
Rentboy Posted November 13, 2017 Posted November 13, 2017 (edited) Havana is clearly going to be #1 soon. Seems inevitable. The Eminem threat is a non factor. Its on the ascendance. Im bored with it already but it deserves the throne. Rockstar has had its reign. Edited November 13, 2017 by Rentboy
QueenofCopyPaste Posted November 13, 2017 Posted November 13, 2017 Looks like Thunder and Perfect end up getting blocked then
BZZ Posted November 13, 2017 Posted November 13, 2017 1 hour ago, NoMythologies said: Final predictions 18. Despacito 174 (+2) Satan is real. According to chart rules, how many weeks until a song can no longer chart? I know there's ones for within the top twenty and within the top fifty but what are they?
NoMythologies Posted November 13, 2017 Posted November 13, 2017 14 minutes ago, BZZ said: Satan is real. According to chart rules, how many weeks until a song can no longer chart? I know there's ones for within the top twenty and within the top fifty but what are they? At 52 weeks, if a song is below #25 and is no longer gaining in points, it goes recurrent. This will be week 43 for Despacito, so it could potentially go recurrent in another 9 weeks. Even though I don't care for stagnant charts, I can't stand this rule. Songs like Shape of You and Despacito could easily spend 20+ weeks hovering in the 30-40 range. It makes it almost impossible for new songs to top songs like Party Rock Anthem and I Gotta Feeling on their all time charts. Just feels totally inaccurate to me.
BZZ Posted November 13, 2017 Posted November 13, 2017 (edited) 22 minutes ago, NoMythologies said: At 52 weeks, if a song is below #25 and is no longer gaining in points, it goes recurrent. This will be week 43 for Despacito, so it could potentially go recurrent in another 9 weeks. Even though I don't care for stagnant charts, I can't stand this rule. Songs like Shape of You and Despacito could easily spend 20+ weeks hovering in the 30-40 range. It makes it almost impossible for new songs to top songs like Party Rock Anthem and I Gotta Feeling on their all time charts. Just feels totally inaccurate to me. That does actually make their all time charts inaccurate, they should keep data from those weeks so there is actually real data of the "All time" best charting songs. Also, are their current all time charts accurate? 1989 and 25 aren't on them. Edited November 13, 2017 by BZZ
NoMythologies Posted November 13, 2017 Posted November 13, 2017 9 minutes ago, BZZ said: That does actually make their all time charts inaccurate, they should keep data from those weeks so there is actually real data of the "All time" best charting songs. Also, are their current all time charts accurate? 1989 and 25 aren't on them. BB's all time lists always seem a bit off to me in general. Certain years always stick out to me as being weighed unusually heavily. When I first started following charts, I was into the old music, so I always really noticed that 1973 is unusually represented on their all time list. Songs like Tie a Yellow Ribbon Round the Ole Oak Tree and Let's Get it On are up in the top half and yet songs like The First Time Ever I Saw Your Face and Alone Again (Naturally) (both of which came out in 1972) are nowhere to be found. If you're old enough and know those songs' chart runs, I think you'd agree that the discrepancy is a bit unusual. Plus, I could swear I once saw a list of Eminem's top songs where they had The Monster above LTWYL and yet on a list of Rihanna's top songs, they had it the other way around.
BZZ Posted November 13, 2017 Posted November 13, 2017 8 minutes ago, NoMythologies said: BB's all time lists always seem a bit off to me in general. Certain years always stick out to me as being weighed unusually heavily. When I first started following charts, I was into the old music, so I always really noticed that 1973 is unusually represented on their all time list. Songs like Tie a Yellow Ribbon Round the Ole Oak Tree and Let's Get it On are up in the top half and yet songs like The First Time Ever I Saw Your Face and Alone Again (Naturally) (both of which came out in 1972) are nowhere to be found. If you're old enough and know those songs' chart runs, I think you'd agree that the discrepancy is a bit unusual. Plus, I could swear I once saw a list of Eminem's top songs where they had The Monster above LTWYL and yet on a list of Rihanna's top songs, they had it the other way around. Do you think it's odd they don't reveal their formula? We've basically figured it out but isn't that supposed to be public knowledge? Maybe HDD's new chart is a good idea.
NoMythologies Posted November 13, 2017 Posted November 13, 2017 6 minutes ago, BZZ said: Do you think it's odd they don't reveal their formula? We've basically figured it out but isn't that supposed to be public knowledge? Maybe HDD's new chart is a good idea. I definitely wish they could reveal their formula. I wish they were a lot more transparent with their information in general (still miss the good ol' days where we used to get the entire top 10 digital sellers - I would LOVE if they gave us the entire streaming top 10 each week). But it kinda makes sense they don't reveal it. I wouldn't expect them to anyway. BB's all time lists are a mess, imo, but I still think the hot 100 is a pretty accurate measurement of the most popular songs. I think their current formula makes a lot of sense. Although, I do look forward to a change-up. I doubt the change will be too dramatic tho.
BZZ Posted November 13, 2017 Posted November 13, 2017 7 minutes ago, ChartsFan said: I think a company is entitled to protect their trademarks and keep their process secret. 9 minutes ago, NoMythologies said: I definitely wish they could reveal their formula. I wish they were a lot more transparent with their information in general (still miss the good ol' days where we used to get the entire top 10 digital sellers - I would LOVE if they gave us the entire streaming top 10 each week). But it kinda makes sense they don't reveal it. I wouldn't expect them to anyway. BB's all time lists are a mess, imo, but I still think the hot 100 is a pretty accurate measurement of the most popular songs. I think their current formula makes a lot of sense. Although, I do look forward to a change-up. I doubt the change will be too dramatic tho. I guess it makes sense, but apart of me always thinks they could lie about numbers/positions and no one would know. I love BB though don't get me wrong.
Bentley Posted November 13, 2017 Posted November 13, 2017 @ChartsFan so sis, is the formula changing starting tomorrow and will count for the new tracking week? We dont know what it entails though, right?
Agenor Posted November 13, 2017 Posted November 13, 2017 1 hour ago, BZZ said: Also, are their current all time charts accurate? 1989 and 25 aren't on them. No, the last time the all time charts were updated was two years ago - in October 2015. http://www.billboard.com/articles/events/greatest-of-all-time/6760797/adele-the-beatles-billboard-200-albums-artists-all-time
Bentley Posted November 13, 2017 Posted November 13, 2017 47 minutes ago, Bentley said: @ChartsFan so sis, is the formula changing starting tomorrow and will count for the new tracking week? We dont know what it entails though, right? ???
Bentley Posted November 13, 2017 Posted November 13, 2017 2 minutes ago, ChartsFan said: We probably won't know anything until the column next Monday. The anticipated change will be for songs /tracking week started Friday 10th today's chart/column is definitely with the old formula. Thry might make a quick reference in today's column thst this is the last week of 2017. Do we know what it entails? Could it help Camila snatch number 1?
Cherry. Posted November 13, 2017 Posted November 13, 2017 I don't get how Rockstar was #1. It's been such a non-event. I've spent at least 8 hours driving the past two days and did not hear it once. I heard Havana and Bodak Yellow tonnes.
brianc33710 Posted November 13, 2017 Posted November 13, 2017 21 hours ago, TheFireLexus said: Yeah, but look at 2014, when they started adding streaming. The chart year ended November 29 2014. The 2015 chart year began on December 6, but the new rules didn't take effect until the chart dated December 13. If similar holds here, the changes for this year should come into play for the chart dated December 9. BB waited one extra week to avoid costing 1D a week atop the BB 200. The delay did not apply to the H 100, as both Pharrell and John Legend suffered from losses with the reweighting of streaming on the changes dated 06 December 2014 BB H 100. Both songs fell that first week of the 2015 CY and went recurrent the following week.
iHype. Posted November 13, 2017 Author Posted November 13, 2017 18 hours ago, simmnfierzig said: Oh thanks. Well Youtube and free Spotify will be lowered Not including Youtube in the BB200 is so strange.... 17 hours ago, popmusic said: I wanted to say about BB200 different weights of free and paid audio streams. And one thing about including or excluding YouTube in albums charts. Music industry claims it's bad idea because YouTube contains mainly singles. It means you can't convert one song performance into whole album performance. In fact music industry accepts counting audio streams (spotify, AM) into albums charts of singles. Look at 'reputation' - on Spotify you can listen only singles - just like on YouTube. So does it make sense? Not really... My opinion is well known - Bible needs to stop being delusional about measuring "consumption" because right now it's impossible. Just start measuring pure revenue. They never said YouTube or Spotify Free will be lowered. Just that paid will start counting more than them. YouTube/free Spotify could still count the same ratio as it does now, but premium streams given a better ratio. And not including YouTube because it is basically a service for just singles somewhat makes sense. If we wouldn't include a service that only sells albums on the Hot 100 a singles chart, then I could see why there would be a valid argument not to include a service that only pushes singles on Billboard 200 an albums chart. And revenue doesn't equal popularity especially within regard to individual songs. Drake could release an album and have all 20 songs rank Top 20 in revenue due to huge album streams, but that does not mean he has the 20 most popular songs in the country.
sadnews Posted November 13, 2017 Posted November 13, 2017 current music market is extremely single driven more than ever. and streaming is just single driven market. there's no fair argument of not including youtube on album chart when all the sps numbers are driven by 1~2 single, same goes to tea. Billboard made consumption chart, which was way to kill the album. so why not. they should count youtube, count itunes music video sales, ringtone sales for album chart, we don't know exact rule change, they just said different ratio to acknowledge different revenue and importance of paid streams. there's big change that they're going to change ratio as 100:1 for paid, 200:1 for free since 150:1 was simply based on avg revenue for 1 download.
simmnfierzig Posted November 13, 2017 Posted November 13, 2017 (edited) 1 hour ago, iHype. said: They never said YouTube or Spotify Free will be lowered. Just that paid will start counting more than them. YouTube/free Spotify could still count the same ratio as it does now, but premium streams given a better ratio. And not including YouTube because it is basically a service for just singles somewhat makes sense. If we wouldn't include a service that only sells albums on the Hot 100 a singles chart, then I could see why there would be a valid argument not to include a service that only pushes singles on Billboard 200 an albums chart. And revenue doesn't equal popularity especially within regard to individual songs. Drake could release an album and have all 20 songs rank Top 20 in revenue due to huge album streams, but that does not mean he has the 20 most popular songs in the country. Lowering Youtube or increasing Apple Music is almost the same thing... The later lowers sales and airplay too and I really doubt they want to do that. It's all relative to each other, so the ratio of 1 individual metric is really irrelevant. Edited November 13, 2017 by simmnfierzig
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