official chart Billboard Charts (November 5-11, 2017)

[Toxicity.]

1	Eminem - Walk On Water (feat. Beyoncé)		1.0000	1.0000	1.0000	1.0000	1.0000
2	Camila Cabello - Havana (feat. Young Thug)	$	0.8457	0.7959	0.7659	0.7264	0.7073

 

She's coming for that spot again, and the remix drops at midnight. 

[FutureHive]

Hopefully Lil Uzi is on the remix

He's much more of a Rockstar than Post Malone & 21 Savage

[luckythisway]

4 hours ago, DangerousSwiftie said:

Yes. The four that were released before the albums are the only ones available for individual purchase.

 

4 hours ago, Isaiah said:

yeah no tracks are available for individual sale

legend doing what a legend has to. sucks that we won’t see the response to the tracks tho. 

[Mattyboy]

4 hours ago, Toxicity. said:

1	Eminem - Walk On Water (feat. Beyoncé)		1.0000	1.0000	1.0000	1.0000	1.0000
2	Camila Cabello - Havana (feat. Young Thug)	$	0.8457	0.7959	0.7659	0.7264	0.7073

 

She's coming for that spot again, and the remix drops at midnight. 

Post Malone also is discounted and has 2 versions.

 

Predictions will come tomorrow, but I still have Havana at #2. Next week I think she has it. 

[brianc33710]

10 minutes ago, ChartsFan said:

So, for next week predictions, Honda play it safe and use current formula, or take a leap and try and predict what BB will do (if anything), especially sales wise?

This coming Monday's charts will represent the final week of the 2017 Chart Year. I would assume that any changes would come the following week, for 02 December, and the first week of the 2018 Chart Year. I kind of wonder if BB will further tighten its recurrency rules too. Also, at some point, BB needs to address its almost two week gap between releasing the charts and how they are dated.

[Isaiah]

ugh Havana needs to sneak in at least 1 week that’s all i need 

[toshibatoshiba]

12 minutes ago, Isaiah said:

ugh Havana needs to sneak in at least 1 week that’s all i need 

someone reported that post malone is #2 in US youtube views? how did that happen? let me go check out the video if it's that good.

Edited November 12, 2017 by toshibatoshiba

[alexanderao]

15 minutes ago, Isaiah said:

ugh Havana needs to sneak in at least 1 week that’s all i need 

1 minute ago, toshibatoshiba said:

someone reported that post malone is #2 in US youtube views? how did that happen? let me go check out the video if it's that good.

To clarify: for November 9 (and that day only) rockstar was #3–not #2–on U.S. YouTube (x)

 

For the whole tracking week (11/3 - 11/9), though:

 

Havana 16,182,855

rockstar 8,732,040

 

Of course, rockstar will still finish the week with more streams than Havana, but for the tracking week that just wrapped Havana beat it on YouTube by around 7.5 million streams.

 

 

[TheFireLexus]

37 minutes ago, ChartsFan said:

Well that's going to play an interesting role for next week when YouTube is valued less on the hot00.

 

it will be rather ironic that if rockstar is number one because of the YouTube change - when many think part of the reason for the change was the rockstar loop video.

Isn't there usually like a 'gap-week' between chart years?

2015 chart year: December 6, 2014 to November 28, 2015

2016 chart year: December 5, 2015 to November 26, 2016

 

Going by that, the 2017 chart year should end on November 25, and the 2018 chart year should begin on December 2, 2017 which is when the new rules.mp3 should take effect.

 

Rockstar has it on lock for this week (chart dated November 25) but Havana should be able to snatch it next week (December 2 chart) just before the rules are revised. 

[brianc33710]

2 hours ago, TheFireLexus said:

Isn't there usually like a 'gap-week' between chart years?

2015 chart year: December 6, 2014 to November 28, 2015

2016 chart year: December 5, 2015 to November 26, 2016

 

Going by that, the 2017 chart year should end on November 25, and the 2018 chart year should begin on December 2, 2017 which is when the new rules.mp3 should take effect.

 

Rockstar has it on lock for this week (chart dated November 25) but Havana should be able to snatch it next week (December 2 chart) just before the rules are revised. 

02 December starts the 2018 Chart Year, meaning that the Hot 100 formula changes would likely happen with that week's charts. This would mean 25 November is the last week with the current YouTube rules.

[simmnfierzig]

There is absolutely no conformation from Billboard that Youtube will be lowered.

 

And the formula change was always a couple of weeks after the chart year ended in the last few years

[popmusic]

5 minutes ago, simmnfierzig said:

There is absolutely no conformation from Billboard that Youtube will be lowered.

 

And the formula change was always a couple of weeks after the chart year ended in the last few years

But this time it affects BB200 also. I believe The Bible is not that stupid. 

[simmnfierzig]

Just now, popmusic said:

But this time it affects BB200 also. I believe The Bible is not that stupid. 

Hm?

Yeah Youtube should be included in the BB200, but they haven't said anything about that either and don't see how that's really related to lowering Youtube on the Hot 100

[TheFireLexus]

15 minutes ago, brianc33616 said:

02 December starts the 2018 Chart Year, meaning that the Hot 100 formula changes would likely happen with that week's charts. This would mean 25 November is the last week with the current YouTube rules.

Yeah, but look at 2014, when they started adding streaming. The chart year ended November 29 2014. The 2015 chart year began on December 6, but the new rules didn't take effect until the chart dated December 13.

 

If similar holds here, the changes for this year should come into play for the chart dated December 9. 

[Agenor]

3 hours ago, simmnfierzig said:

There is absolutely no conformation from Billboard that Youtube will be lowered.

 

And the formula change was always a couple of weeks after the chart year ended in the last few years

 

3 hours ago, simmnfierzig said:

Hm?

Yeah Youtube should be included in the BB200, but they haven't said anything about that either and don't see how that's really related to lowering Youtube on the Hot 100

 

There was a BB article about that, in which they state that youtube will be lowered and won't be counted for BB200.

 

Quote

Beginning in 2018, plays occurring on paid subscription-based services (such as Amazon Music and Apple Music) or on the paid subscription tiers of hybrid paid/ad-supported platforms (such as SoundCloud and Spotify) will be given more weight in chart calculations than those plays on pure ad-supported services (such as YouTube) or on the non-paid tiers of hybrid paid/ad-supported services.

 

The Billboard 200 will now include two tiers of on-demand audio streams: paid subscription audio streams and ad-supported audio streams. The chart will continue to not incorporate video streams. The Billboard 200 ranks the most popular albums of the week based on multi-metric consumption, which includes traditional album sales, track equivalent albums, and streaming equivalent albums.

http://www.billboard.com/biz/articles/8006678/billboard-charts-to-adjust-streaming-weighting-in-2018

[simmnfierzig]

13 minutes ago, Agenor said:

 

 

There was a BB article about that, in which they state that youtube will be lowered and won't be counted for BB200.

 

http://www.billboard.com/biz/articles/8006678/billboard-charts-to-adjust-streaming-weighting-in-2018

Oh thanks. Well Youtube and free Spotify will be lowered 

 

 

Not including Youtube in the BB200 is so strange.... 

Edited November 12, 2017 by simmnfierzig

[Agenor]

3 minutes ago, simmnfierzig said:

Oh thanks. Well Youtube and free Spotify will be lowered 

 

 

Not including Youtube in the BB200 is so strange.... 

Youtube royalties are abysmal, so that's the main reason for not including them. Also recording companies are very anti youtube, including yt views into BB200 would not sit well with them.

[simmnfierzig]

Just now, Agenor said:

Youtube royalties are abysmal, so that's the main reason for not including them. Also recording companies are very anti youtube, including yt views into BB200 would not sit well with them.

Then don't count it for the Hot 100 either.

And RIAA counts Youtube for album certifications. Makes very little sense like this

[Agenor]

56 minutes ago, simmnfierzig said:

Then don't count it for the Hot 100 either.

And RIAA counts Youtube for album certifications. Makes very little sense like this

Record labels were pushing for it too (not counting yt for Hot 100), but I guess they found the middle ground in lowering its influence on the chart.

RIAA counts everything, as long as you pay them to for those certifications.

Edited November 12, 2017 by Agenor

[giRLbye.]

youtube views being counted like album sales is the biggest joke

[Green]

56 minutes ago, Agenor said:

Record labels were pushing for it too (not counting yt for Hot 100), but I guess they found the middle ground in lowering its influence on the chart.

RIAA counts everything, as long as you pay those certification royalties.

 

Yeah. RIAA even included Jay-Z and Rihanna's samsung deal.

Edited November 12, 2017 by Green

[thatsmydemi]

27 minutes ago, giRLbye. said:

youtube views being counted like album sales is the biggest joke

This. I'm glad it won't be included. 

Edited November 12, 2017 by thatsmydemi

[popmusic]

4 hours ago, simmnfierzig said:

Hm?

Yeah Youtube should be included in the BB200, but they haven't said anything about that either and don't see how that's really related to lowering Youtube on the Hot 100

I wanted to say about BB200 different weights of free and paid audio streams.

 

And one thing about including or excluding YouTube in albums charts. Music industry claims it's bad idea because YouTube contains mainly singles. It means you can't convert one song performance into whole album performance. 

 

In fact music industry accepts counting audio streams (spotify, AM) into albums charts of singles. Look at 'reputation' - on Spotify you can listen only singles - just like on YouTube. So does it make sense? Not really...

 

My opinion is well known - Bible needs to stop being delusional about measuring "consumption" because right now it's impossible. Just start measuring pure revenue.

Edited November 12, 2017 by popmusic

[simmnfierzig]

6 minutes ago, popmusic said:

I wanted to say BB200 about different weights of free and paid audio streams.

 

And one thing about including or excluding YouTube in albums charts. Music industry claims it's bad idea because YouTube contains mainly singles. It means you can't convert one song performance into whole album performance. 

 

In fact music industry accepts counting audio streams (spotify, AM) into albums charts of singles. Look at 'reputation' - on Spotify you can listen only singles - just like on YouTube. So does it make sense? Not really...

 

My opinion is well known - Bible needs to stop being delusional about measuring "consumption" because right now it's impossible. Just start measuring pure revenue.

It's mainly singles on Spotify too... Not quite like on Youtube but still the majority of the SEA are coming from the singles and I don't really think that's a bad thing. 

 

 

I certainly agree that a revenue chart would make the most sense. Although the success of a few singles would still drive the album revenue in that case. 

[Vorfreude]

When we gonna get this week predictions, Queens?