brianc33710 Posted August 4, 2017 Posted August 4, 2017 20 minutes ago, ChartsFan said: Agreed. A song won't be made recurrent while still in the top 10. however there's lots of things thst can be done to move them soon out of the top 10. The new UK rules cutting stresming ratio is an example of effective desperate measures to get the charts moving. Remember, the levels agreed and in fact were some of the biggest pushers for this. As they are the ones paying the bills for BB for the most part, what the labels need, the labels will get. The hybrid genre charts started with 25/20 and 10/52 recurrency rules. At the start of the 2014 Chart Year, 25/20 stayed the same, but 10/26 replaced 10/52, and the charts added in a 5/52 rule. So it's not completely out of the realm of possibility that BB could bump up 25/52 to a higher threshold, like 10/52, 25/26, and 50/20 given the increasingly excessively long time at or near the top of the chart. At the start of the SS era, BB had a 20/20 recurrency rule for the Hot 100. So BB moving to an increasingly stringent RC policy is definitely a possibility. Also, BB possibly adding in a 10/52 rule is not completely out of the question. Don't confuse me with someone who wants such a change. I'm just saying it's a possibility BB could go harder on RC rules again.
One Nation Posted August 4, 2017 Posted August 4, 2017 1 hour ago, RihsusChrist(ATG) said: I honestly don't even care if Despacito breaks Mariah's record, as long as WT gets a week #1 at some point. Mariah... Despacito breaking her most weeks at #1 record, and Rih getting her 15th #1, and being only 3 away from tying and 4 away from breaking her most #1's by a female artist record. Has there even been rumblings of either being performed at the VMA's? by a solo artist period***
brianc33710 Posted August 4, 2017 Posted August 4, 2017 17 minutes ago, simmnfierzig said: Radio is not much slower moving than streaming, so don't think lowering streaming even more (which Billboard is doing constantly anyway) would do much. As a rule, sales drop first, followed by radio and ODS, and then VS. Radio often falls just a little faster than ODS, but there are several exceptions to this pattern.
brianc33710 Posted August 4, 2017 Posted August 4, 2017 4 minutes ago, One Nation said: by a solo artist period*** I believe Whitney Houston has the longest time at #1 for a solo artist. I Will Always Love You spent 14 weeks at #1 (1992-3).
One Nation Posted August 4, 2017 Posted August 4, 2017 (edited) 2 minutes ago, brianc33616 said: I believe Whitney Houston has the longest time at #1 for a solo artist. I Will Always Love You spent 14 weeks at #1 (1992-3). He was referring to the most #1 singles, not the longest stay at #1. And in regards to what you stated, Mariah tied Whitney's 14 week record with We Belong Together. Seriously, Mariah has so many records. I seriously doubt she'll lose much sleep if Despacito breaks the longest #1 record Edited August 4, 2017 by One Nation
brianc33710 Posted August 4, 2017 Posted August 4, 2017 1 minute ago, One Nation said: He was referring to the most #1 singles, not the longest. And in regards to what you stated, Mariah tied Whitney's 14 week record with We Belong Together. Seriously, Mariah has so many records. I seriously doubt she'll lose much sleep if Despacito breaks the longest #1 record Yeah I forgot about Carey.
brianc33710 Posted August 4, 2017 Posted August 4, 2017 4 minutes ago, ChartsFan said: Looking at the recurrent rules for the hot 100, there's w rule for weeks in top fifty and top 25. That is a pretty clear indication of what the charts are really for. You need to move the deadwood along and show how the new stuff is doing. id love to see an all-in chart that ranks everything, but I'll admit it would be a pretty boring chart. But not as the hot 100. Thst needs to focus on new and "hot" songs. As it always has. When BB implemented 25/52, several of us asked for a "comprehensive" singles chart. Prior to reworking the BB 200 to limit albums passing the 100/78 rule, BB had a "Comprehensive Albums Chart." That was the chart that allowed all albums to stay as long as they sold enough to reach the BB 200, so BB has used such a chart before.
brianc33710 Posted August 4, 2017 Posted August 4, 2017 4 minutes ago, ChartsFan said: It's a good thing you say solo artist. because this person called Diana Ross does exist. Diana Ross never had a song with more than 4 weeks at #1. Baby Love (Supremes) and Upside Down had 4 week #1 stays. Endless Love with Lionel Richie spent 9 weeks on top, but that was a duet. Olivia Newton John and Debbie Boone had the pre SS record, with 10 weeks at #1.
One Nation Posted August 4, 2017 Posted August 4, 2017 4 minutes ago, ChartsFan said: It's a good thing you say solo artist. because this person called Diana Ross does exist. Are you referring adding her #1s with The Supremes as well? Well yeah, but it wouldn't make sense to combine them regardless.
One Nation Posted August 4, 2017 Posted August 4, 2017 Just now, ChartsFan said: It makes perfect sense. as a music artist, all her hits are included. I can see the want to divide out based on type, but let's not write off what someone does during their entire career. You our can be assured thst as Rihanna approaches the record, reference will be made to Diana and what she did during her career. i see no reason to punish an artist because the started in a group, and then left. It's all still a career. as wel, it is kind of hypocritical to say her group work doesn't count, then turn around and claim duets do. It's either SOLO, as in alone, or it is not. Billboard counts solo artists and groups as separate acts. Beyonce, Justin Timberlake, and Paul all get the same treatment. Sure, she had that many number ones throughout her entire career, but in the end they will always be divided by the record books which people will use as a source for years after. And for what it's worth Diana hasn't been mentioned at all in the article write ups for Rih's last few #1s. Emphasis has only been put on Michael and Madonna. Then of course Mariah who holds the record for a solo artist, and The Beatles who have the most period.
One Nation Posted August 4, 2017 Posted August 4, 2017 1 minute ago, ChartsFan said: Well yes, but I was referring to the point of most number ones that they were talking about, Rih getting her 15th, gets her half way to Pauls record the only record Paul has in regards to most #1s is with The Beatles.
Sinister Posted August 4, 2017 Posted August 4, 2017 29 minutes ago, ChartsFan said: Looking at the recurrent rules for the hot 100, there's w rule for weeks in top fifty and top 25. That is a pretty clear indication of what the charts are really for. You need to move the deadwood along and show how the new stuff is doing. id love to see an all-in chart that ranks everything, but I'll admit it would be a pretty boring chart. But not as the hot 100. Thst needs to focus on new and "hot" songs. As it always has. The new stuff really isnt doing that good if you have to kill of songs that could have stayed in the top 40 longer and we rarely have occurences like UF and the likes Most hits still spend 30-40 weeks and then their out
iHype. Posted August 4, 2017 Author Posted August 4, 2017 4 hours ago, Ash12345 said: Isn't it at 3.7m with vevo views? 1.23m pure 1.37m ODS (2.05B) No. Billboard doesn't include video streams in their total SPS
Ash12345 Posted August 4, 2017 Posted August 4, 2017 7 minutes ago, iHype. said: No. Billboard doesn't include video streams in their total SPS Oh right track sales lol I forgot about them
One Nation Posted August 4, 2017 Posted August 4, 2017 2 minutes ago, ChartsFan said: Irregardless of what people use for classifications. One such classification will always be total career. lets give respect to artists for their accomplishments and not punish them for their career choices. while Rih chases the solo female record, she will also tie the total female record which is currently held by two artists at 18 You're making up/giving someone a record that the music industry does not in any way recognize. We could go on and on about this, but in the end, you can believe she shares that record if you want; even if it is not recognized.
simmnfierzig Posted August 4, 2017 Posted August 4, 2017 49 minutes ago, Sinister said: The new stuff really isnt doing that good if you have to kill of songs that could have stayed in the top 40 longer and we rarely have occurences like UF and the likes Most hits still spend 30-40 weeks and then their out Oh look I learned something from your sig. Thanks.
Sinister Posted August 4, 2017 Posted August 4, 2017 9 minutes ago, simmnfierzig said: Oh look I learned something from your sig. Thanks. This hurts me
family.guy123 Posted August 4, 2017 Posted August 4, 2017 12 hours ago, brianc33616 said: Yeah I was trying to think of other things outside of 25's release that could have helped "Hello" become a bigger smash. With a 90-day lead, UF and OSD, and maybe even The Twist, couldn't have compared with its power. If Hello was given a three-month release advance instead of just three weeks, could 25 have still beat No Strings Attached? I think 25 would have still opened up with 2.5 M (NSA had 2.4 M) instead of 3.4 M had Hello been given more time to chart on its own. Adele is Adele, and no one else can match her sales power. I also think her label should have released a CD single for the song, given the demographic of her fans. That would've sold 500,000 with a 3-month advance too. Can you explain this logic?
Sinister Posted August 4, 2017 Posted August 4, 2017 13 minutes ago, ChartsFan said: No. maybe most top 10s. Maybe a lot of top 20s. but there's a whole other 80 positions of hits, and here's no way songs are spending anywhere near that long. I said most hits...not in the sense of a song reaching top 40 and then being automatically labeled a hit
family.guy123 Posted August 4, 2017 Posted August 4, 2017 (edited) 5 minutes ago, ChartsFan said: - it would have missed the holiday season - such a delay would have acted as a cooling off period from the frenzy that still existed after three weeks. - more people would have bought hello, meaning some people wouldn't bother buying the LP, as they already bought a song from it. -ok well they obviously would have released the song earlier, not push the album back lol -do you really think it was the song that sold the album that much first week? maybe a bit, but I would wager the majority of the first week sales came from Adele's hype, not Hello's -1 million? Edited August 4, 2017 by family.guy123
One Nation Posted August 4, 2017 Posted August 4, 2017 6 minutes ago, UNNAMI said: Despacito is now most watched video on YouTube We'll see how much of a deal the media makes this, and then when it hits 3 billion.
UNNAMI Posted August 4, 2017 Posted August 4, 2017 honestly I thought first See you again will reach 3b, then despacito 3b, then despacito dethrones SYA. and all happen in opposite way
Sinister Posted August 4, 2017 Posted August 4, 2017 1 hour ago, ChartsFan said: Well if it makes the hot 100 it is a hit. If a song peaks at 100...youll consider it a hit?
Roberto Posted August 4, 2017 Posted August 4, 2017 3 minutes ago, Sinister said: If a song peaks at 100...youll consider it a hit? Considering there are like 10.000 songs, probably, at lease for a minor artist.
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