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[butterflysupreme]

53 minutes ago, Monster Megamind said:

If Taylor doesn't come with a strong next single, I'll be convinced this era is going the Born This Way route 

that sounds great! BTW slayed in all aspects

[Letters From Adi]

2 minutes ago, butterflysupreme said:

that sounds great! BTW slayed in all aspects

being frontloaded and ending her imperial phase that is.

[butterflysupreme]

Just now, Letters From Adi said:

being frontloaded and ending her imperial phase that is.

BTW had great sales, impact. No one cares about that frontloaded ****. It spanned multiple hits. It’s her best album. I wonder if ATRL will ever get that no one stays on top forever. Look at Prism. Ended Katy’s hit streak but no one said anything, for some reason it’s always applied in Gaga’s case. It wasn’t an “imperial phase”. She was an extremely successful pop singer and now she is a successful one. The overreaction...

[Marco_g2]

21 minutes ago, simmnfierzig said:

Speak Now had 0 huge singles... Not Like she absolutely needs them

 

And she clearly has to know that those first 3 songs aren't as commercial. We'll See.

Speak Now had quality, if you go for a pop sound at least make good pop music

[simmnfierzig]

6 minutes ago, Marco_g2 said:

Speak Now had quality, if you go for a pop sound at least make good pop music

Speak Now is a pop album 

 

And "quality" or "good music" is super subjective..

Edited October 22, 2017 by simmnfierzig

[Marco_g2]

1 minute ago, simmnfierzig said:

Speak Now is a pop album 

There's clearly a big difference in the Speak Now-pop and the (for now) Reputation-pop tho

[Letters From Adi]

14 minutes ago, butterflysupreme said:

BTW had great sales, impact. No one cares about that frontloaded ****. It spanned multiple hits. It’s her best album. I wonder if ATRL will ever get that no one stays on top forever. Look at Prism. Ended Katy’s hit streak but no one said anything, for some reason it’s always applied in Gaga’s case. It wasn’t an “imperial phase”. She was an extremely successful pop singer and now she is a successful one. The overreaction...

Pet Shop Boys coined the phrase Imperial Phase. It refers to that period in a pop star's career when they can do no wrong - hit after hit. As soon as their imperial phase is over, their career never quite the same. It's like the first flush of love.

X

 

She was the biggest popstar on the planet in 2009. Declining from 15M to 2.5M in just 5 years is not a good thing.

 

The reason Katy didn't get dragged during that era was because her decline wasn't that big. She got the 2 biggest hits of her career moreover. Those balanced out her underperforming singles. But now that she couldn't get one on her previous level, she is getting dragged.

 

Of course, no one stays on top forever, but it's the intensity of the decline that matters.

 

Being good or bad is imperative for being a popstar.

[Monster Megamind]

46 minutes ago, simmnfierzig said:

Speak Now had 0 huge singles... Not Like she absolutely needs them

 

And she clearly has to know that those first 3 songs aren't as commercial. We'll See.

I think her writing was better then. Also she was coming off a hugely successful country era. She had lots of country fans anticipating her next release. 

[simmnfierzig]

1 minute ago, Monster Megamind said:

I think her writing was better then. Also she was coming off a hugely successful country era. She had lots of country fans anticipating her next release. 

That "country fans buy albums" stuff is just incorrect. They dont buy more albums than other genres.

And she certainly has more people anticipating TS6 than Speak Now back then

[Monster Megamind]

1 minute ago, simmnfierzig said:

That "country fans buy albums" stuff is just incorrect. They dont buy more albums than other genres.

And she certainly has more people anticipating TS6 than Speak Now back then

Looking at the streaming underperformance, I think she should just release physical and digital sales in first 2 weeks. And put on streaming after that. There's a reason even adele dint do that. Windowing is must for such a huge release. 

Edited October 22, 2017 by Monster Megamind

[Starkboy]

What Lovers Do #5 on WW spotify 

I thought they were weak on streaming because DWK and Cold did poorly 

Quite the opposite tbh. Only Cold performed poorly

 

Sugar : 637M

Don't Wanna Know : 490M

Maps : 416M

Animals : 396M

Moves Like Jagger : 302M

Payphone : 282M

She Will Be Loved : 273M (!!!!)

One More Night : 246M

 

these are all impressive numbers (consider MLJ, Payphone and OMN are all from 2011-2012, SWBL is even older) 

their hits tend to be global

[Monster Megamind]

10 minutes ago, Starkboy said:

Quite the opposite tbh. Only Cold performed poorly

 

Sugar : 637M

Don't Wanna Know : 490M

Maps : 416M

Animals : 396M

Moves Like Jagger : 302M

Payphone : 282M

She Will Be Loved : 273M (!!!!)

One More Night : 246M

 

these are all impressive numbers (consider MLJ, Payphone and OMN are all from 2011-2012, SWBL is even older) 

their hits tend to be global

Don't wanna know did well on Spotify. Just like What lovers do... 

[Starkboy]

9 minutes ago, Henstridge said:

Wait I didn't see these numbers before 

I only saw the spotify numbers on kworb http://kworb.net/spotify/artist/04gDigrS5kc9YWfZHwBETP.html

^^these numbers are based on the songs appearances on top200. when they don't chart their streams aren't counted so that's why they're small compared to the actual ones I posted 

[DELE2125]

2 hours ago, simmnfierzig said:

Speak Now had 0 huge singles... Not Like she absolutely needs them

 

And she clearly has to know that those first 3 songs aren't as commercial. We'll See.

She's clearly not in the same place she was during the ''Speak Now" era... She didn't really need hits during her first 3 eras, but now that she's a pop girl, she will need them. Moreover, she has received more backlash and negative press during these last couple years than what she got during her first 3 eras combined.

 

Interesting fall for "Gorgeous". And "Look" might be out of the top 50 of Spotify even before album release week.

[simmnfierzig]

13 minutes ago, DELE2125 said:

She's clearly not in the same place she was during the ''Speak Now" era... She didn't really need hits during her first 3 eras, but now that she's a pop girl, she will need them. Moreover, she has received more backlash and negative press during these last couple years than what she got during her first 3 eras combined.

 

Interesting fall for "Gorgeous". And "Look" might be out of the top 50 of Spotify even before album release week.

Why will she need them?

And "backlash"?  Okay

[blackbeatxx]

3 hours ago, simmnfierzig said:

Speak Now had 0 huge singles... Not Like she absolutely needs them

 

And she clearly has to know that those first 3 songs aren't as commercial. We'll See.

Speak now is good tho but yeah we'll see

[unclefloprry]

Only 3/10 songs on YouTube Top 10 aren't latin/spanish songs.

 

• Dua Lipa - New Rules

• Ed - Shape On You

• ZAYN - Dusk Till Dawn

 

[QueenofCopyPaste]

Thunder removed from TTH

 

 

[Agenor]

"Gorgeous" YouTube views in the US on Friday, October 20th:

 

[Konan]

Do offline listens (i.e. Spotify) count on the Billboard charts?

[Marco_g2]

3 hours ago, Konan said:

Do offline listens (i.e. Spotify) count on the Billboard charts?

not if they can't be registered (duh) 

[iHype.]

Top Songs of 2017 in Audio Streams (as of October 12th) in US

 

 

1	Despacito	Luis Fonsi		532,420,100
2	Humble.	Kendrick Lamar		501,261,400
3	Xo Tour Llif3	Lil Uzi Vert		476,563,900
4	Shape Of You	Ed Sheeran		441,716,100
5	Mask Off	Future		436,921,000
6	Congratulations	Post Malone		429,433,900
7	Bad And Boujee	Migos		376,191,600
8	That's What I Like	Bruno Mars		354,982,900
9	Location	Khalid		353,074,800
10	iSpy	Kyle		340,695,100

11	I'm The One	DJ Khaled		329,666,100
12	Unforgettable	French Montana		324,083,300
13	Tunnel Vision	Kodak Black		290,064,600
14	Dna.	Kendrick Lamar		286,022,200
15	Bounce Back	Big Sean		280,630,400
16	T-shirt	Migos		271,361,500
17	Redbone	Childish Gambino		270,045,900
18	Passionfruit	Drake		261,287,700
19	Fake Love	Drake		260,347,900
20	Goosebumps	Travis Scott		254,775,100

21	Slippery	Migos		247,640,700
22	Body Like A Back Road	Sam Hunt		245,563,200
23	Something Just Like This	Chainsmokers & Coldplay		240,115,400
24	1-800-273-8255	Logic		239,506,300
25	Love.	Kendrick Lamar		234,567,800

[alexanderao]

12 minutes ago, iHype. said:

Top Songs of 2017 in Audio Streams (as of October 12th) in US

 

 

1	Despacito	Luis Fonsi		532,420,100
2	Humble.	Kendrick Lamar		501,261,400
3	Xo Tour Llif3	Lil Uzi Vert		476,563,900
4	Shape Of You	Ed Sheeran		441,716,100
5	Mask Off	Future		436,921,000
6	Congratulations	Post Malone		429,433,900
7	Bad And Boujee	Migos		376,191,600
8	That's What I Like	Bruno Mars		354,982,900
9	Location	Khalid		353,074,800
10	iSpy	Kyle		340,695,100

11	I'm The One	DJ Khaled		329,666,100
12	Unforgettable	French Montana		324,083,300
13	Tunnel Vision	Kodak Black		290,064,600
14	Dna.	Kendrick Lamar		286,022,200
15	Bounce Back	Big Sean		280,630,400
16	T-shirt	Migos		271,361,500
17	Redbone	Childish Gambino		270,045,900
18	Passionfruit	Drake		261,287,700
19	Fake Love	Drake		260,347,900
20	Goosebumps	Travis Scott		254,775,100

21	Slippery	Migos		247,640,700
22	Body Like A Back Road	Sam Hunt		245,563,200
23	Something Just Like This	Chainsmokers & Coldplay		240,115,400
24	1-800-273-8255	Logic		239,506,300
25	Love.	Kendrick Lamar		234,567,800

Location's figure is so impressive considering it never cracked the Streaming Songs top 10. Crazy stability.

 

[Agenor]

8 hours ago, Konan said:

Do offline listens (i.e. Spotify) count on the Billboard charts?

Yes, they eventually do count when you go online.

 

Quote

Offline listens are counted and sent to Spotify's server the next time you connect to the Internet. Yes, private listening mode is also counted.

https://community.spotify.com/t5/Accounts/When-and-how-does-Spotify-count-songs-as-quot-listened-to-quot/td-p/952243

 

Edited October 23, 2017 by Agenor

[mowino]

5 hours ago, Marco_g2 said:

not if they can't be registered (duh) 

 

34 minutes ago, Agenor said:

Yes, they eventually do count when you go online.

 

https://community.spotify.com/t5/Accounts/When-and-how-does-Spotify-count-songs-as-quot-listened-to-quot/td-p/952243

 

......hi Marco_g2 

 

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