discussion Worse nation in 2025: USA vs. China

[Space Cowboy]

Which country is worse in 2025: the United States or China?

[visions]

The US basically includes Israel so, might have to be them.

[psychodiva336]

Well, the devil you know...

[Pheromosa]

I don't think China is actively trying to kill its citizens so… 

[JO1s]

US by far…

[Cain]

3 minutes ago, Pheromosa said:

I don't think China is actively trying to kill its citizens so… 

The Uyghurs would love a word with you 

[Breathe On Moi]

I know we're mad but let's not be delusional now…

 

edit: you know what @Miracle Whip I'd love to have a conversation with you rather than receiving downvotes and you seemingly never having any input on any conversations on any topics ever, just nothing to offer to conversation at all, ever. 
 

but whatever, after some thought, I agree that the US and China are both in the shits. 

Edited Thursday at 02:26 PM by Breathe On Moi

[makeawish]

china has the historic upper hand in this battle but USA is like a upcoming MPG challenger, needs a couple more album cycles yet tho

[Loca]

Are you ******* kidding me

[Miracle Whip]

China has always been the better country.

[playboi]

Both suck

[Windy Day]

4 minutes ago, Cain said:

The Uyghurs would love a word with you 

CIA propaganda i fear

[JO1s]

13 minutes ago, Cain said:

The Uyghurs would love a word with you 

The Japanese would love a word with you.

[Windy Day]

1 minute ago, JO1s said:

The Japanese would love a word with you.

the whole world atp 

[Virgos Groove]

17 minutes ago, Cain said:

The Uyghurs would love a word with you 

??? 

 

The accusations never included deaths. They were about cultural genocide (and even that was never confirmed).

[JO1s]

Just now, Windy Day said:

the whole world atp 

The US actually did the things to Japanese citizens that they're accusing china of. 

[Hey Babes]

Yall be voting for China but forget your jockstrap was made there

[Cain]

6 minutes ago, Windy Day said:

CIA propaganda i fear

Yes the Uyghurs here in Europe that haven't heard from their detained family members in years have been sent here by the CIA

 

Kill all nationalism, no state or regime is innocent 

[Windy Day]

4 minutes ago, Cain said:

Yes the Uyghurs here in Europe that haven't heard from their detained family members in years have been sent here by the CIA

 

Kill all nationalism, no state or regime is innocent 

i chose to trust my ex situationship who's family lives in xinjiang

 

Edited Thursday at 02:22 PM by Windy Day

[Cain]

13 minutes ago, JO1s said:

The Japanese would love a word with you.

Is this meant to be a one-upper about the atrocities the US has committed against humanity? The US was built on genocide and slavery and has wrecked entire continents. The US is a horrible state

 

That doesn't mean China isn't also actively committing them and that its regime should be idolized (though it seems to be only by American and European contrarians in any comparison with the US). All people would be better off without their restrictive regimes

 

The concept of idolizing states is complete idiocy, but none of the pretend communists on here stanning China would get that

[Windy Day]

11 minutes ago, Cain said:

Is this meant to be a one-upper about the atrocities the US has committed against humanity? The US was built on genocide and slavery and has wrecked entire continents. The US is a horrible state

 

That doesn't mean China isn't also actively committing them and that its regime should be idolized (though it seems to be only by American and European contrarians in any comparison with the US). All people would be better off without their restrictive regimes

 

The concept of idolizing states is complete idiocy, but none of the pretend communists on here stanning China would get that

girl nobody is idolizing china  far from that. doesn't change the fact that america is currently waaaaaay worse than china

[Odette Violet]

both but US and A with a slight margin 

[Kanzutte]

Donald Trump's USA. 
He seems deliberately triggering WW3

[Cesar]

to be fair, china doing more good for the world than the US ever has

[Communion]

1 hour ago, Cain said:

The Uyghurs would love a word with you 

This movement never took off outside of NGO's and "China Watcher" thinktanks because roughly 95% of the same people and movement figures argued that restrictions on religious liberties (applied to all Chinese citizens) or things like the de-Arabization of things like mosque architecture could be considered "literal genocide" but a mass ethnic cleansing and carpet bombing by Israel on Palestine mysteriously was not. 

 

I say this not to suggest China is somehow above criticism. Of course I don't agree with the idea that a government can limit how many children someone can have. Or the tactics China had copied from France to discern what were signs of """potential religious extremism""". There's easily an ethical ground to criticize China's national security state and its bountiful mistakes and problems. 

 

But that's why Palestine is and will always be the litmus test. Because one can't argue that literally slaughtering hundreds of thousands is not an issue but then argue civil or religious repression at what is objectively a lesser, incomparable scale is somehow actually the urgent issue of the times. I'm sure there's people who genuinely care about both issues. The elephant in the room they should understand though is that religious repression in China never became nor will become a national talking point because the CIA-adjacent agencies who were working to make something like the repression of Uyghurs a national issue largely have all lost credibility for their support of Israel in-line with official US foreign policy. 

 

I'm all for recognizing forced or heavy-handed integration campaigns are not inherently benevolent and often pose unique harms of their own (what has been argued as cultural genocide), but then we're acknowledging these issues are quantifiable. And we have to acknowledge it's obscene to make an argument that is effectively "China pressuring 18-year-old Uyghurs in Xinjiang to move to a big city in the east and get a college degree as a cultural assimilation policy is actually WORSE than the Israeli state-sanctioned policy of mass-rape and slaughter of 15-year-old Palestinian boys". A movement having essentially tried to argue such is why there's been little mass organization around this as a cause. 

Edited Thursday at 03:32 PM by Communion