base talk Bigger classic: Crazy In Love or Poker Face?

[momal]

Their biggest songs overall, which one wins in terms of classic status and visuals?

 

 

or

 

 

[PopKills]

Both are kinda at the same level but I'd say CIL is a bit more of a classic due to it being more appealing to straight men. I prefer Poker Face tho, the mixing in CIL always sounded a bit unfinished to me. 

[mxoonlight]

I love them both SO much. I think CIL is bigger/more iconic but I prefer PF. Deja Vu is the best Bey/Jay collab.

[prézli]

Crazy in Love by far.

 

I never liked Poker Face. Its music video is better, though.

[Sabrina Carpenter]

Crazy In Love is bigger than any Gaga song let's be fr

[prézli]

Just now, mxoonlight said:

Deja Vu is the best Bey/Jay collab.

Not many people say this.

[GraceRandolph]

The solo song

[zoldyck]

Globally, its poker face no competition.

[zoldyck]

3 minutes ago, Sabrina Carpenter said:

Crazy In Love is bigger than any Gaga song let's be fr

Bigger in what metric?

 

Poker Face has more sold copies, has nore youtube views, has more spotify streams.

 

Objectively Poker Face is bigger than CIL, if we go by twitter vibes then you may have a case.

Edited 2 hours ago by zoldyck

[Aston Martin]

5 minutes ago, zoldyck said:

Bigger in what metric?

 

Poker Face has more sold copies, has nore youtube views, has more spotify streams.

 

Objectively Poker Face is bigger than CIL, if we go by twitter vibes then you may have a case.

I think this person just likes downplaying Gaga, they did the same thing here: 

Ot: PF is bigger, I have a preference for PF (song and MV) since I'm a Liddo but CiL's song and video are also outstanding. CiL is also a massive song in terms of commercial success. Two remembered classics that stood and will continue to stand the test of time  

[Aramis]

7 minutes ago, zoldyck said:

Poker Face has more sold copies, has nore youtube views, has more spotify streams.

According to this, Poker Face is a bigger classic than:

 

this

 

this

 

or this

 

Not everything is about numbers. So ye, the best song of XXI century aka CIL is a bigger classic than Poker Face.

[Jay07]

I'm sure there will be endless pages parsing the minutiae of streams and digital copies (although Gaga obviously has an advantage, releasing at the height of the digital era) but they're both classics and they both launched pop behemoths. Those horns and those opening synths are iconic and will always bring everyone to the floor. That said, I prefer CIL because the music video is better and I will always gravitate towards soul/funk over synth pop.

[Yakult]

2 minutes ago, zoldyck said:

Bigger in what metric?

 

Poker Face has more sold copies, has nore youtube views, has more spotify streams.

 

Objectively Poker Face is bigger than CIL, if we go by twitter vibes then you may have a case.

Crazy in Love was released in 2003; digital sales didn't exist, piracy was king and CDs sold in minute copies and were often deleted after a few weeks of sale so people would buy the album.

 

Comparing the dying physical market with the burgeoning digital market is illogical. The 100th best selling song of 2009 in the UK would have been the 29th best selling track of 2003; they're incomparable markets.

 

Early 00s tracks stream worse than later 00s ones and ofc Poker Face has better YT numbers; it was released when the platform existed dddddd. For CIL to be doing similar numbers to PF is beyond impressive.

 

Beyoncé's track feels bigger to me. Iconic music video, massive numbers, never feels to set a dance floor on fire. But it's minute and highly subjective; both tracks were absolutely massive and I can totally accept anyone's reasoning for Gaga's track being bigger as well.

[CherryBay]

Crazy in love and it's not close

 

first few seconds of the song is more recognisable and remember than any Gag song

[KatyPrismSpirit]

It's CIL

 

However, if you compared to Bad Romance, Gaga wins

[Blackout2006]

Pokerface by a mile? Espeically globally-speaking. 

A more sensible comparison would be Single Ladies Vs Pokerface

[Spicy Pisces]

15 minutes ago, Aramis said:

Not everything is about numbers. So ye, the best song of XXI century aka CIL is a bigger classic than Poker Face.

If you're gonna go by bias to say that not everything is about numbers at least try and explain what makes your opinion on what is bigger a more valid metric 

[zoldyck]

8 minutes ago, Yakult said:

 

 

 

Early 00s tracks stream worse than later 00s ones and ofc Poker Face has better YT numbers; it was released when the platform existed dddddd. For CIL to be doing similar numbers to PF is beyond impressive.

 

 

Nah, difference between songs released in 2000-2004 is not that big than songs released in 2005-2009. 

 

8 tracks from 2000-2004 have surpased 2B streams while only 4 tracks from 2005-2009. 45 songs from 2000-2004 have surpased 1B streams while 46 songs from 2005-2009. If anything it shows nostalgic effects for big songs from 2000-2004 have been stronger than 2005-2009. Youtube may have not been available in 2004 but it is availble for both of them yesterday.

 

Poker Face: 770k views yesterday 

Crazy In Love less 270k views (since it is not charting to see exact views)

[zoldyck]

23 minutes ago, Aramis said:

According to this, Poker Face is a bigger classic than:

 

this

 

this

 

or this

 

Not everything is about numbers. So ye, the best song of XXI century aka CIL is a bigger classic than Poker Face.

They are from different decades, generation that grew up with songs don't normally use Spotify or streaming services. Or may not be interested in consuming music at all now adays.

 

People from 2003 and 2008 are from generation.

Edited 2 hours ago by zoldyck

[Johnny Jacobs]

42 minutes ago, PopKills said:

CIL is a bit more of a classic due to it being more appealing to straight men.

Huh 

[VioletsandRoses]

Poker face was a mammoth. #1 in every country and has the highest year end #1s until flowers last year. Crazy in love was just a cute top 10 hit outside the Anglo countries. Poker face is higher on AM, Spotify and YouTube. CIL is more comparable to JD globally.

17 minutes ago, Yakult said:

Crazy in Love was released in 2003; digital sales didn't exist, piracy was king and CDs sold in minute copies and were often deleted after a few weeks of sale so people would buy the album.

 

Comparing the dying physical market with the burgeoning digital market is illogical. The 100th best selling song of 2009 in the UK would have been the 29th best selling track of 2003; they're incomparable markets.

 

Early 00s tracks stream worse than later 00s ones and ofc Poker Face has better YT numbers; it was released when the platform existed dddddd. For CIL to be doing similar numbers to PF is beyond impressive.

 

Beyoncé's track feels bigger to me. Iconic music video, massive numbers, never feels to set a dance floor on fire. But it's minute and highly subjective; both tracks were absolutely massive and I can totally accept anyone's reasoning for Gaga's track being bigger as well.

Physical sales were still big in Europe. The best way to compare songs from different eras is year ends. And IL WW performance doesn't come close to PF at all. 
PF- #1 for 13 weeks in Germany, #1 year end 

#1 for 4 weeks in France, #4 year end

#1 for 10 weeks in Switzerland-#1 year end 

#2 in Italy, #4 year end 

#1 for 4 weeks in the UK, #1 year end 

 

CIL- #6 peak in Germany, #35 year end 

#21 peak in France, #87 year end 

#5 peak in Italy, #22 year end 

#3 peak in Switzerland, #11 year end 

#1 for 3 weeks in the uk, #15 year end 

 

TF also sold 6m more copies than DIL with album sales falling 50% from 2003 to 2008/9

[makeme]

Both are classics. Sometimes we don't have to put one thing ahead of the other. Both can be iconic 

[zoldyck]

And just like that spotify charts updated and:

 

188. Poker Face: 1.277M 

 

[Kingdom]

26 minutes ago, zoldyck said:

And just like that spotify charts updated and:

 

188. Poker Face: 1.277M 

 

With this logic poker case is a bigger classic than

 

1. Respect by Aretha Franklin 

2. Thriller by Michael Jackson 

3. Purple rain by prince 

4. Lady Marmalade(the original)

 

You see where I'm going with this?

[Maroonx]

both iconic hits, but I went with Bey on this one x