base talk Why Ariana never receive the same backlash for blackfishing as Jesy Nelson?

[KKCuteCat]

Might be because Ari has never been  blackfishing? I just like her look like that and there is nothing wrong with it. 

[Vermillion]

The attempts or perceived attempts at AAVE were what got and continue to this day to get her backlash across social media, especially in stark contrast to the Audrey Hepburn routine she's currently attempting for the awards circuit. The skin just always came across as a bad tan job as opposed to blackfishing, imho.

 

The cheating scandal (regardless of the poor attempt at damage control by threatening to sue the New York Post so they'd change an article wording on when the separation happened and reframe Lilly Jay as 'crazy') and continued resentment around the perceived excuses on being just a 'thin' body type as opposed to having an eating disorder that's not allowed to be questioned have gotten far more attention up until about a month ago, imho.

 

She's very talented (talent is subjective) with a hellbent stage Mom, powerful team, and built-up goodwill from Top 40 programmers and a lot of black artists (deserved or not, some of the history mentioned here does speak for itself) that's saved her through all of this.

[Prodigal Self]

What's your deal, anyway? You wanna take Ariana down? That's not happening. Justice for Jesy Nelson? That ain't happening either

[Radical Pessimism]

8 hours ago, wildsidenormani said:

Because she never 'blackfished'. It never gave black

Pls she was a black woman in the thank you next album cover

[Lovett]

9 hours ago, aadrl1 said:

You're using purposefully edited photos for these comparisons though.

 

At the same events:

 

 

[ChooseyLover]

People keep making jokes about Ariana being transracial () to this day though. And there's an insane and nasty hyperfixation towards her appearance by the GP.

[ariananext]

It's so funny when someone wants to make threads like these but proceeds to use edited pictures. Presenting evidence to back up your point is taught in elementary school or something

 

Ariana was always surrounded and always worked with black artists and producers since her very first hit, her first album was produced by Babyface and majority of her features are black artists, she has always expressed love and been loved by the community, starting with Patti LaBelle who presented her Woman Of The Year during Thank U, Next era calling her "LITTLE WHITE BLACK GIRL" (and she's known her since her teenage years).

 

Thank U, Next, the incriminated era of her life was her being depressed and expressing trauma through music with her friends while getting drunk, if you followed the roll-out you'd know it was basically promoted as a group project, she pretty much did all the promo with her collaborators giving them credits AND a platform for their careers.

 

 

 

 

It's crazy to compare her case to Jesy Nelson's. Ariana's "problematic phase" happened when she was depressed and basically lived with a group of people she started acting like, that would've happened with anybody else. I think she even said once that she absorbs the features of the people around her, just like when she spoke like Pete in that 3 months relationship, acted like Mac when she was with him etc.

 

She's too talented, has a successful career and is pretty respected. Jesy left her group and presented herself as an arrogant who bashed her black friend while stealing her culture, and backed up by one of the most bitter and wicked people in the industry on top of everything.

Plus, Ariana stopped the tan and the accent as soon as people started talking about it because it was clear as day that it wasn't intentional and she didn't want to hurt anybody, what did Jessy do?

Ariana's case is brought up a lot more too compared to her because she's a nobody and people don't even care about her enough to talk **** about her 

Edited Sunday at 10:33 AM by ariananext

[JT55331]

Ari is influenced by culture and she grew up in a generation who were obsessed with tanning. That's very different to cultural appropriation. I also think it's rooted in deep insecurity which she has been honest and open about. Her voice evolution is clearly a result of trying to emulate a popstar image and convey something she is not. I actually think in this Wicked era she is returning more to her authentic self and is growing in confidence. More broadly we never learn the lesson that major scrutiny of celebs, especially women, is extremely damaging to their mental health

Edited Sunday at 11:31 AM by JT55331

[Sabrina Carpenter]

idk but she deserves to get dragged

[Radical Pessimism]

5 minutes ago, Sabrina Carpenter said:

idk but she deserves to get dragged

Are you the real Sabrina?

[SapphireSky]

Ariana has a massive fan base whilst Jesy doesn't 

[lauren198]

Jesy got away with it too, for a long time, while she was in Little Mix. But when she left the band the fans were mad at her for leaving and they were the ones who started call her off on it and then she had nobody to defend her and the way she reacted also played a big part

 

[MattieB]

5 hours ago, KKCuteCat said:

Might be because Ari has never been  blackfishing? I just like her look like that and there is nothing wrong with it. 

Unless you're black, it's not your place

[Jay07]

I am a fan but I will admit certain things were problematic about her presentation. The AAVE, the attitude, "gee thanks just bought it". But she is not the first white artist to idolize black culture and try to emulate it and at least she listened to criticism and changed. Now as for the forced moral panic of who she's dating and the attempts to cancel her over appropriation, that's just giving irrational hatred and trying to find excuses to end her. If ******* Chris Brown and Morgan Wallen are still thriving, Ari certainly doesn't deserve to be cancelled. The only people who have truly been cancelled are ones who committed serious crimes like Weinstein, R Kelly and Diddy, not Ariana who had a shade of tan one tone too dark and said gworl and das my cookie, das my juice.

Edited Sunday at 02:51 PM by Jay07

[KKCuteCat]

1 hour ago, MattieB said:

Unless you're black, it's not your place

Why you're specifically telling me this while basically half of comments here implied the same thing

 

Anyway, i'm a man of color too. 

Edited Sunday at 04:15 PM by KKCuteCat

[Yes, AND]

Didnt she get a lot of backlash for this on twitter during thank you next. 

 

Especially that line Black card is my business card ..

[WEEKND]

Ariana is skinny and pretty and it's easier to live out our C U N T fantasy with her 

 

pretty much she's a better Pokémon to use in battle. 

[The Prophecy]

Isn't Ari mixed-race? 
 

 

 

[Joaco95]

black card is my business card

[Delirious]

Because people like selective outrage

 

 

[bjorn]

21 hours ago, Eternium said:

Jesy spent her time feuding with and dragging her black bandmates, which gives off racist vibes. It put her in the same light as Camila Cabello.

 

Ariana had black influences, but she never felt racist because she was always paying her dues. Didn't she have Patti LaBelle perform at one of her birthday parties and develop a strong relationship with her? And she's constantly giving a platform to black artists in incredibly positive ways.
 

If Jesy had spent more time building up black artists instead of trying to tear them down (including the ones that were closest to her), she'd probably have way better reception.

End thread. 

[bjorn]

And btw. Jesy does not possess an ounce of talent Ariana does. Jesy came out from the get go BLACK 

[Namie-Knowles]

6 hours ago, KKCuteCat said:

Why you're specifically telling me this while basically half of comments here implied the same thing

 

Anyway, i'm a man of color too. 

You avoided saying Black on purpose. Sick work, you know you aren't. 

[MattieB]

6 hours ago, KKCuteCat said:

Why you're specifically telling me this while basically half of comments here implied the same thing

 

Anyway, i'm a man of color too. 

Black people aren't people of color, remove us from that narrative. Yall on your own

[Bewitched]

1 hour ago, The Prophecy said:

Isn't Ari mixed-race? 
 

 

 

She's Italian