base talk Why Ariana never receive the same backlash for blackfishing as Jesy Nelson?

[dumbsparce]

Bc Ariana didn't use poc as props for pandering purposes.

Edited Sunday at 01:41 AM by dumbsparce

[ericcartman]

I had to Google who Jesy Nelson was. Are those photos real? I thought it was someone from the 90s and that was what she looked like today.

[MonsterTown]

its easy bc, Ariana its or at that time was a cool kid, they could not cancel ha bc the culture that she was fishing was actually on her side lmao that's why.

[gatito]

1. we need to ask some actual black people how they felt about being 'fished'

 

2. who tf is jessie nelson?

[Arcadia]

People do drag Ariana (see tiktok) but she is conventionally attractive, one of the best singers in pop, and has a strong fan base that supports her no matter what.

 

Jesy lost majority of the Little Mix fan base after the Nicki and Leigh Anne drama. Also, I feel like once you're known to the public as "fat" you stay that way even when you slim down (Sam Smith, Demi Lovato, etc) and it's easier for people to bully them like that.

[DanyelP23]

A big part of it is also that Ariana actually looked good with it (she looked good regardless). Blackfishing Jesy always looked a mess, and was giving visual caricature.

While Ariana got criticism also for her use of AAVE besides her skin tone, when she opened her mouth, people were paying attention more to her great singing and catchy songs.

[Walk_Away21]

Selective outrage for people they hate vs faves they like. It's why SJWs get made fun of. Dont at me!

[BrokenMachine]

She already had a strong fanbase and an established career

[gm4567]

Ariana debuted a few years before black fishing became a popular topic plus she looks quite ethnically ambiguous so she sort of gets away with it.

[Communion]

This is now a conversation that's 5 years old at this point with many influential voices already having their say and the offending actions no longer being a thing, no? I get the discourse but there's always a weird tension like a resentment undercurrent to all of it. 

 

Kimberly Nicole Foster was even talking about it as early as April 2019 and came out the other end of it with the simple conclusion that her God-given eyes let's her know that something like 7 Rings is objectively Ariana doing "something black" but that the measurable harm to it is much lessened *to her personally* by things like Ariana constantly promoting Victoria at the time and using her own platform to try and grow Victoria's career. 

 

 

"If you're gonna be inspired by black women, cite your sources" basically amounts to what happened and why even the more critical voices - of those largely curating the discourse and conversation - largely moved on. 2 Chainz called her out for using the pink trap house motif uncredited so she promoted a remix with him on it and did a song with him. The huge success of TUN as an album was followed by her using her platform to try and bring success to the same black creatives she worked with (Victoria, Mikey, Scootie), with Tommy Brown going on to executive producer her next album. 

 

Now, none of that has to mean anything. Any black person is entitled to not consume or like Ariana Grande or her music for any reason they like. My white ass is especially in no place to tell anyone they have to like Ariana. But if someone is interested about the discourse at large and why it objectively unfolded on the path it did and people moved on, such is likely why she still has a large diverse audience or will collaborate with black artists without controversy or be played on things like rhythmic radio. 

 

And if you had to compare her with Jesy, surely the basic timeline differs. Someone between TUN and Positions clearly said something to Ariana about the issue and the behavior was addressed and changed. Meanwhile it's been confirmed the girls of Little Mix did confront Jesy over the issue on the set of Sweet Melody and the reaction to such was so bad that it was essentially the catalyst for Jesy leaving the group and viewing them as attacking her.

 

"Boyz" was Jesy's reaction to being told how she was being perceived while everything following 7 Rings was Ariana's. Imagine if Ariana did something as insane as attack Victoria's own music while promoting ES in the way Jesy was attacking Leigh-Anne while promoting Boyz. 

Edited Sunday at 04:11 AM by Communion

[KingWitch]

It's too late ,she's already well established now with a big fan base,should've tried this  "backlash" back in the beginning of her career ,now it won't affect her much

[commander]

Because Patti LaBelle made her an honorary black woman

 

[smartalek22]

1 minute ago, KingWitch said:

It's too late ,she's already well established now with a big fan base,should've tried this  "backlash" back in the beginning of her career ,now it won't affect her much

she didn't do it at the beginning of her career

 

it simply wasn't the trend in 2013-2015

[Cheers]

Selective outrage + she had an online fanbase to back her up

[Stuart]

But she DID receive backlash for it though, hence why she has started changing after the TUNA era.

 

Jesy, on the other hand, was stubborn and didn't listen to anyone, even when her bandmates told her what she was doing was wrong.

[Alldeezy]

I think her career was over when she dropped bad songs as a solo artist while Ari very talented and has dropped a lot of hits

 

[Prisoner]

Bcoz woke people and their cancel culture wasn't as strong during 2014 compared to when jesy nelson started her solo career. 

[Stuart]

4 hours ago, aadrl1 said:

As we all know, Jesy Nelson's solo career was pretty much over upon her debut. Everyone was canceling her for blackfishing. Her rapid rise and fall were largely defined by backlash and controversy.

Wait. Jesy's rapid decline is a combination of many factors :

• Leaving Little Mix in the middle of their latest era, claiming that she needed time away from the spotlight, only for her to release her debut single a couple of weeks later.
• She obviously had no fanbase of her own except the fans of Little Mix.
• Letting Nicki criticize Leigh Anne during their livestream, which pissed the LM fans off even more and permanently made them turn their backs on her.
• Her debut song and music video being a tragic mess. Not to mention the BRIT award performance.
• Blackfishing was the straw that broke the camel's back.

[cuteboyzay]

Idk, I think it's because Ariana straight from the beginning of her career was ALWAYS siting black queens as her inspiration for her career. Not only that but her very outward support of the LGBTQ+ community too and her actually doing RnB music also helps. Idk, you could just tell Ari def puts herself around black people even off the cameras. Also,  believe it or not her being Italian kinda helped lmaooo!!! 

 

Idk about Jesy Nelson too much but since she was freshly debuting as a solo girl and people only really knew her being part of a girl group, she did not have such a good start tbh. She just made the wrong moves. I still think it's kinda dragged out how she's STILL being dragged for it lmaooo! She has a good voice and I'd like for her to actually have some sort of success from her solo music.

Edited Sunday at 05:13 AM by cuteboyzay

[Each Tear]

Ariana gets bashed over this all the time. You're just mad because it hasn't ruined her career.

[Cherish]

One was successful and one was just starting out solo. 

[gr33dy4Ari]

7 minutes ago, Each Tear said:

Ariana gets bashed over this all the time. You're just mad because it hasn't ruined her career.

And it WONT. It's such an embarrassing reason to cancel someone when there ARE actual abusers in Hollywood who are still enjoying enormous support from people.

[Cleanromantic]

Selective outrage + a fandom that'll defend her and gaslight anyone who brings it up. 

[MattieB]

Because her fans are ******* hypocrites, the amount of scandals that girl had should've ended her career but all it did was show yall never have the same smoke for your faves cos they make cute bops. 

And yet we're loud asf on rkelly and other similar artists for the music to be removed. (for the zero critical thinkers im not saying Ariana is a rapist). 

Not only did she skate by the black fishing incident, not allegations because we saw and HEARD HER, she helped break up a family after her skeezy ass even met the woman and picked up the baby. Even after the lady came online confirming what arigato did, her miscreant stans attacked her.. Other celebs have been canceled for less

Edited Sunday at 10:47 AM by MattieB

[MattieB]

1 hour ago, gr33dy4Ari said:

And it WONT. It's such an embarrassing reason to cancel someone when there ARE actual abusers in Hollywood who are still enjoying enormous support from people.

These whataboutisms are moronic, we as a society can condemn both. Most of us do. She may not be an abuser but she's MOST DEFINITELY a morally reprehensible human being. It's even in her music