base talk Why Ariana never receive the same backlash for blackfishing as Jesy Nelson?

[aadrl1]

As we all know, Jesy Nelson's solo career was pretty much over upon her debut. Everyone was canceling her for blackfishing. Her rapid rise and fall were largely defined by backlash and controversy. To a point that,

If you Google 'Blackfishing,' the first result is an image of Jesy Nelson - featured in a BBC article.

 

Similarly, Ariana Grande, a completely white Italian-American celebrity, has always been known for blackfishing to date—if not a more prominent case than Jesy's, from her skin tanning, music style, sound, to the most recent viral video of her alt personality/ urban accent that's been circulating on social media. However, these controversies haven't caused much of a stir in her career. For example, after the recent viral videos, half of the users praised her as 'talented' for owning and switching inbetween stereotyped black persona and urban accent.

 

What do you think accounts for the different reactions between Jesy's blackfishing and Ariana's?

Does commercial success shift people's perspectives on the same issue?

 

 

 

Edited January 5 by aadrl1

[Bussea]

if i said why, yall would get mad at me :(

[skizzo]

cause Ariana's music is actually good

[right where you left me]

Just now, Bussea said:

if i said why, yall would get mad at me :(

Say it please 

[IBeMe]

I hate to say it but I think it's cuz ppl view Ariana's blackfishing as being done well  . Jessy Juicy Nelson Mandela was WACK AF

Edited January 5 by IBeMe

[Popboi.]

[KFC]

If Ariana had been hit with a blackfishing scandal upon the release of her DEBUT single her career probably would have been over too.

 

As it is, she's been succesful enough historically to be able to ride out controversies of this variety

[Dante Silva]

You make a good point but it seems the U.S. doesn't see this as any kind of issue and the U.K. does.

[right where you left me]

Ariana didn't participate with Nicki Minaj in the dragging of a black member of her former group.

 

Also Ariana is attractive and makes good music, something Jesy doesn't have. This doesn't excuse Ariana's actions but it's just tea

 

But if you look at Twitter, Tik Tok and Instagram these days, Ariana is getting dragged more than she ever was for her racefishing

[alexrex]

Leave Jesy Alone 

 

[Angelo]

She was marketed as the next Mariah Carey during her debut, similar to Leona Lewis. 

[sugarysunflower]

Ariana has exceptional talent 

 

especially in the calibre of today's age 

[St. Charles]

I honestly think people decide pretty quickly whether or not they like someone based on a number of factors. When people get outraged or call someone out, it's usually that they finally feel like they have a reason to justify why they don't like them. View things in this context and most of the confusion around who gets canceled / who doesn't will begin to make sense.

[PrettyHurts]

Because she was famous, successful and proved her talent before the "black fishing" talk. Plus her music was good 

[Eternium]

Jesy spent her time feuding with and dragging her black bandmates, which gives off racist vibes. It put her in the same light as Camila Cabello.

 

Ariana had black influences, but she never felt racist because she was always paying her dues. Didn't she have Patti LaBelle perform at one of her birthday parties and develop a strong relationship with her? And she's constantly giving a platform to black artists in incredibly positive ways.
 

If Jesy had spent more time building up black artists instead of trying to tear them down (including the ones that were closest to her), she'd probably have way better reception.

[ericcartman]

Honestly? I don't know. It's something I've always wondered. I like her so I'm not complaining and would hate to make it a thing, but I will never understand how she gets away with it.  Maybe most people still think she's mixed?

Edited January 5 by ericcartman

[aadrl1]

"Because of Music" is really just another expression of Double Standard, which summarizes this issue

 

What's worse than celebrity "Blackfishing"... is the normalization of "Blackfishing" due to fan support, as this thread has shown 

Edited January 5 by aadrl1

[ICLDXU4HS]

Grande is going down eventually... and I hope I'm there. 

[prettyinpink940]

Because Ariana looked like this

 

And Jesy like this

[wildsidenormani]

Because she never 'blackfished'. It never gave black

[judasmonster]

these threads are tired at this point

[Jude]

16 minutes ago, ICLDXU4HS said:

Grande is going down eventually... and I hope I'm there. 

And so what if she goes down eventually? She has had a very successful career already and spawned so many hits.

[gr33dy4Ari]

Such a stupid allegation. Ariana may have been influenced by black artists, but she never tried to appear "black". Dont get me started with her tanning bec ALL OF YOUR WHITE FAVES tanned at one point in their career. Just freaking dont.

 

People never confused her for being black—hispanic, yes, but I dont think there was ever a time that someone thought she was a black woman or was trying to be. STOP ✋🏻 

 

And if we're talking about backlash, she's getting dragged on X and Tiktok on a daily basis so that's just false. The reason why she's still INCREDIBLY successful is bec of her talent and she never tried to bring anyone down.

[hoax]

Ariana had two very successful albums under her belt before anything that could even reasonably be considered approaching... visual appropriation, and Jesy was promoting her debut single, so there was just no reason to keep her around 

Edited January 5 by wastedpotential

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