Vermillion Posted January 1 Author Posted January 1 Of the dozens of mass casualty press conferences I've seen in my life, this was by far the most disjointed and disorganized. Maybe the imperative was to calm the public but all the contradictions and little to no answers on crucial points felt like it made things worse. You clarify whether this was a terrorist incident as a group before coming to the ****ing podium, not directly contradict each other within minutes, for starters. People losing faith in all our institutions and wonder why.
sugarysunflower Posted January 1 Posted January 1 Guns …….. America ………. Again ……… and …. Again ………. 3 1
Hephaestus Posted January 1 Posted January 1 Not that it'd solve the issue entirely in this specific instance, but at this point I wonder what (if anything at all) will make the US finally change its stance on fire weapons, especially automatic and semi-automatic ones. RIP to the victims 1
Rv1709 Posted January 1 Posted January 1 How's this such a common occurrence in the states with essentially nothing being done to fix it?
Breathe On Moi Posted January 1 Posted January 1 May they rest in peace, absolutely terrifying. this is why I don't go to massive crowd things for such holidays unfortunately. 1
Vermillion Posted January 1 Author Posted January 1 On 1/1/2025 at 1:52 PM, Rv1709 said: How's this such a common occurrence in the states with essentially nothing being done to fix it? Expand Because most attempted national reforms will be struck down by the currently composed SCOTUS so everyone's given up, including on, most recently, bump stocks. There's been minimal traction on red flag laws in some states but that's about it. 2
Bears01 Posted January 1 Posted January 1 On 1/1/2025 at 1:45 PM, Hephaestus said: Not that it'd solve the issue entirely in this specific instance, but at this point I wonder what (if anything at all) will make the US finally change its stance on fire weapons, especially automatic and semi-automatic ones. RIP to the victims Expand Nothing. R.I.P. to the victims
HexMayhem Posted January 1 Posted January 1 On 1/1/2025 at 1:52 PM, Rv1709 said: How's this such a common occurrence in the states with essentially nothing being done to fix it? Expand banning them would mean less money in old men's pockets 2
Vermillion Posted January 1 Author Posted January 1 On 1/1/2025 at 1:45 PM, Hephaestus said: Not that it'd solve the issue entirely in this specific instance, but at this point I wonder what (if anything at all) will make the US finally change its stance on fire weapons, especially automatic and semi-automatic ones. RIP to the victims Expand Mexico's sued U.S. arms manufacturers recently for contributing to the drug war which is expected to fail at SCOTUS, Uvalde's suit against gun marketers I believe failed as did the Sandy Hook parents even though the latter was successful against Alex Jones for entirely different reasons. So no, I don't expect anything to change.
hoax Posted January 1 Posted January 1 (edited) I'm not sure why the comments are treating this like just another shooting when seemingly all of the casualties came from the truck driving through the crowd, and the shootout with the police was very brief and came after? This was a tragic event and I firmly support drastic gun policy reform, but that wouldn't have saved many (any?) lives last night? This was a pedestrian safety failure, if anything. Given that it happened so late in the night (past 3:30am), I've seen some speculation that the police had begun to clean up and remove the temporary bollards and other safety devices, and that was how the driver was able to get onto the street, but that's speculative. Edited January 1 by wastedpotential 2 8 1
sugarysunflower Posted January 1 Posted January 1 On 1/1/2025 at 1:52 PM, Rv1709 said: How's this such a common occurrence in the states with essentially nothing being done to fix it? Expand I've seen figures that the guns and ammunitions industry in America alone can be between $30 - 90 billion, alone. Never mind the supply chain, parts, training camps etc. on top. They just claim the outdated second ammendment to claim it's of personal interest, not economic interest. 5 2
Johnny Jacobs Posted January 1 Posted January 1 the numbers of these attacks just grow each year. rip to the victims. they were celebrating a new year, probably some planned their resolutions just as it happened. heartbreaking
ttsmu Posted January 1 Posted January 1 This is heartbreaking. The USA needs to stop talking about how "unsafe" other countries are when they live in one of the scariest places on earth. 1
Almodusa Posted January 1 Posted January 1 Poor families, having to start off the year like this. Glad the guy is dead but wish he lived to be tortured (by inmates or sumn)
nadiamendell Posted January 1 Posted January 1 (edited) On 1/1/2025 at 1:52 PM, Rv1709 said: How's this such a common occurrence in the states with essentially nothing being done to fix it? Expand Oh, plenty could be done, but the shootings aren't affecting people with money/power enough for them to care. In the rare occasion where someone from the oligarch class IS affected, they react swiftly (see the United CEO situation). Edited January 1 by nadiamendell 5
genio Posted January 1 Posted January 1 Very tragic news. RIP to all the victims. On 1/1/2025 at 2:13 PM, wastedpotential said: I'm not sure why the comments are treating this like just another shooting when seemingly all of the casualties came from the truck driving through the crowd, and the shootout with the police was very brief and came after? This was a tragic event and I firmly support drastic gun policy reform, but that wouldn't have saved many (any?) lives last night? This was a pedestrian safety failure, if anything. Given that it happened so late in the night (past 3:30am), I've seen some speculation that the police had begun to clean up and remove the temporary bollards and other safety devices, and that was how the driver was able to get onto the street, but that's speculative. Expand True, this was a pedestrian safety failure like the one in the German Christmas market a week ago. Banning guns wouldn't have changed anything in this situation (however, of course I still support banning guns). 1
Relampago. Posted January 1 Posted January 1 On 1/1/2025 at 1:45 PM, Hephaestus said: Not that it'd solve the issue entirely in this specific instance, but at this point I wonder what (if anything at all) will make the US finally change its stance on fire weapons, especially automatic and semi-automatic ones. RIP to the victims Expand Killing high profile politicians, billionaires and other powerful entities and their families is the only thing that'll ever create change. Otherwise, they'll let us die forever. For any FBI agent watching, I'm not saying we need to mass murder these people, but it's the only way that I ever see change happening because there's nothing else left for us to murder atp. 1 2
umich Posted January 1 Posted January 1 On 1/1/2025 at 7:23 PM, Vermillion said: Expand Update: it's officially postponed until tomorrow.
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