PrettyHurts Posted December 31, 2024 Posted December 31, 2024 She literally sounds mostly the same, and I don't see any "personality" change. The differences are very subtle and it's normal to change your voice a little if you get older and hang around different people. 1
Communion Posted December 31, 2024 Posted December 31, 2024 (edited) 28 minutes ago, Cleanromantic said: from when she was making R&B pop music This theory falls apart when she....is still making r&b pop music? She just had a #2 hit on rhythmic radio featuring Brandy and Monica. Which touches on why all these conversations on social media from competing forces - some definitely acting in good faith, some less so - don't go anywhere. Because the kind of industry forces who could have the cultural cache to call her out for her past behavior...largely haven't due to not viewing it as malicious and still liking her. That the cultural conversation moved on for most of those who could have an actual claim to hold her accountable. It's like how one of the clips shared in the OP is her doing Keke's "....and the gag is" meme back from 2016 only for Keke to just weeks ago share how much she loves Ariana's music *and* explicitly because of how much credit Ariana has given to her black female collaborators and friends. People can feel however they want - especially those whose opinion on it would matter - but there's this weird subtext and tension to all of these tweets where a subset of people feel weirdly like....resentful Ariana hasn't "gotten got" compared other white female pop stars (that they may like more) over these very things while seemingly unable to recognize that such conversations largely don't move beyond into impacting Ariana's audience because her audience simply does not view it in a way that would incriminate her as having ill intent. Edited December 31, 2024 by Communion 9 1
Trent W Posted December 31, 2024 Posted December 31, 2024 She markets her persona to sell her product All celebs do this They are not your best friend or a role model, she just sells whatever she needs to, it's her job 1
SweetenerNostalgia Posted December 31, 2024 Posted December 31, 2024 i wonder how many times this will go viral during 2025 with stans crying because she didn't get enough backlash, or wondering how she got away with it once a month maybe
BadHabits Posted December 31, 2024 Posted December 31, 2024 2 hours ago, Revolution said: she is continually reinventing herself as all pop girlies do. Some girls bring new hair colours for their new eras (Dua and Katy), others brings new sounds and dress like a man (Gaga) and some....just take it one step further and bring a new ethnicity, skin colour and accents. I can't wait for the Apuana Grandemapetilon and her Bollywood sounds and Toxic-sounding smash with Dev Patel as her love interest. 3
whiteferrari Posted December 31, 2024 Posted December 31, 2024 I really hope all of these outrage tweets are coming from actual Black people
tost1 Posted December 31, 2024 Posted December 31, 2024 In 10 years you're gonna miss her like black p!nk and guadalupe stefani 5
Truth Teller Posted December 31, 2024 Posted December 31, 2024 She started getting dragged for blackfishing during the TUN era, she realized it and she cut it out instantly (some of the white voice excerpts are from 2020-21), as she should have. What else was she supposed to do with this bad feedback? Continue blackfishing so that she won't be viewed as inauthentic? Or vanish from showbiz? 1 8
babycomeround Posted December 31, 2024 Posted December 31, 2024 This is no different than Jesy Nelson.
Poxy Posted December 31, 2024 Posted December 31, 2024 A bit of a side, I miss her Audrey Hepburn inspired aesthetic super early in her career
Tm4074 Posted December 31, 2024 Posted December 31, 2024 10 minutes ago, Communion said: This theory falls apart when she....is still making r&b pop music? She just had a #2 hit on rhythmic radio featuring Brandy and Monica. Which touches on why all these conversations on social media from competing forces - some definitely acting in good faith, some less so - don't go anywhere. Because the kind of industry forces who could have the cultural cache to call her out for her past behavior...largely haven't due to not viewing it as malicious and still liking her. That the cultural conversation moved on for most of those who could have an actual claim to hold her accountable. It's like how one of the clips shared in the OP is her doing Keke's "....and the gag is" meme back from 2016 only for Keke to just weeks ago share how much she loves Ariana's music *and* explicitly because of how much credit Ariana has given to her black female collaborators and friends. People can feel however they want - especially those whose opinion on it would matter - but there's this weird subtext and tension to all of these tweets where a subset of people feel weirdly like....resentful Ariana hasn't "gotten got" compared other white female pop stars (that they may like more) over these very things while seemingly unable to recognize that such conversations largely don't move beyond into impacting Ariana's audience because her audience simply does not view it in a way that would incriminate her as having ill intent. Wait until they find out when TUN was nominated for AOTY it was the only album nominated that had black women credited as producers. Not H.E.R or Lizzo's albums that were also nominated that year. Lizzo works with mostly white men, actually. Not that there is anything wrong with that but Ariana has always used her platform to support up-and-coming black talents in the music business (Tommy Brown, Social House, Victoria Monet, Tayla Parx, Nija Charles, Leon Thomas, etc. - all got their first big placement and/or biggest commercial success on Ariana's projects). That's why this whole outcry online about her in regards to this topic doesn't make noise outside these jobless internet spaces. She walks the walk and actual black creatives in the industry recognize that and therefore the respect is mutual. 8 1 1
Rabbit Posted December 31, 2024 Posted December 31, 2024 People bullied her for "blackfishing" for years and when she made a conscious effort to stop you stay bullying her 6 1
Jaye Posted December 31, 2024 Posted December 31, 2024 It's almost like... she matured. A foreign concept to many of you, I know. 5 5
PrettyHurts Posted December 31, 2024 Posted December 31, 2024 (edited) 1 hour ago, Communion said: This theory falls apart when she....is still making r&b pop music? She just had a #2 hit on rhythmic radio featuring Brandy and Monica. Which touches on why all these conversations on social media from competing forces - some definitely acting in good faith, some less so - don't go anywhere. Because the kind of industry forces who could have the cultural cache to call her out for her past behavior...largely haven't due to not viewing it as malicious and still liking her. That the cultural conversation moved on for most of those who could have an actual claim to hold her accountable. It's like how one of the clips shared in the OP is her doing Keke's "....and the gag is" meme back from 2016 only for Keke to just weeks ago share how much she loves Ariana's music *and* explicitly because of how much credit Ariana has given to her black female collaborators and friends. People can feel however they want - especially those whose opinion on it would matter - but there's this weird subtext and tension to all of these tweets where a subset of people feel weirdly like....resentful Ariana hasn't "gotten got" compared other white female pop stars (that they may like more) over these very things while seemingly unable to recognize that such conversations largely don't move beyond into impacting Ariana's audience because her audience simply does not view it in a way that would incriminate her as having ill intent. The main people driving this narrative are Stans of other white female artist. The black community loves Ari and is not offended Edited December 31, 2024 by PrettyHurts 1 3
RiseAndShine Posted December 31, 2024 Posted December 31, 2024 8 minutes ago, PrettyHurts said: The main people driving this narrative are Stans of other white female artist. The black community loves Ari and is not offended Stop speaking on behalf of all Black people. Many Black people were calling her out for her excessive use of AAVE and fake accent. She's in her Audrey Hepburn phase now and needs to stay in that lane. 3
BloodLuster Posted December 31, 2024 Posted December 31, 2024 30 minutes ago, Jaye said: It's almost like... she matured. A foreign concept to many of you, I know. messing with someone else's husband is being a mature person to you ? 4
judasmonster Posted December 31, 2024 Posted December 31, 2024 its twitter, a hate tweet gets brought up every month cause it gives people likes and a hit thread..
Tm4074 Posted December 31, 2024 Posted December 31, 2024 4 minutes ago, PrettyHurts said: The main people driving this narrative are Stans of other white female artist. The black community loves Ari and is not offended Are you referring to the same white female artist that conveniently used trap beats/r&b and featured rappers on her 6th studio album when trap was peaking in the mainstream? Only to abandon that sound once folk/country singer-songwriter music became popular in the mainstream again? Hmm interesting how the rules don't apply to this particular artist when it's actually an example of doing the stuff they claim Ariana does (using black culture for clout despite it being inauthentic to her). Ariana is the problem though, right? Despite her doing r&b/hip-hop/pop since day 1 until present day and has consistently worked with majority black collaborators and has mostly cited black artists as the biggest influences on her. Btw isn't their fave the same person who used a fake country accent on her debut album when she's a rich white girl from suburban Pennsylvania? Funny how that works. 2 1 1
Romova99 Posted December 31, 2024 Posted December 31, 2024 3 hours ago, Dolce Vita said: i miss her Her come on GWORL always gets me My bff is a stan and I would never tell him how fake I think Ariana is, I've watched a lot of interviews of this Wicked roll out because of him and I was cringing so hard everytime, something in her feels so fake to me.
shoganai Posted December 31, 2024 Posted December 31, 2024 She has a different personality, voice and manners for every skin color she wears. I like to imagine her as a real life Roger from American Dad 2
UrMom Posted December 31, 2024 Posted December 31, 2024 I dunno her yt woman voice sounds as fake/forced as the blaccent 1
Blue Monday Posted December 31, 2024 Posted December 31, 2024 15 minutes ago, BloodLuster said: messing with someone else's husband is being a mature person to you ? Now I know someone with a Taylor Swift avi isn't trying to talk about maturity OT: If we're going to have the Ariana conversation, I sincerely hope we have the Miley conversation as well because not only was she a culture vulture, but when the culture no longer served her she was very quick to diss hip hop and rap as beneath the music she was trying to promote at that time. Take her to task all you want but at the end of the day, it just sounds like you're mad people dgaf. Move on. 5 5
rzal Posted December 31, 2024 Posted December 31, 2024 The shock cause a 32 year old woman talks differently than a 20 year old. 1
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