base talk What if Katy Perry released "143" in 2017 instead of Witness?

[prettyinpink940]

And Chained to the Rhythm, her short hair, etc. never would have happened.

 

Would it have been another hit era?

 

Would Woman's World have gone to #1?

 

 

[Illuminati]

Even by Witness standards 143 is abysmal so I doubt it would have improved the reception

[magazine]

I can't imagine a world without my Bon Appetit 

[zoldyck]

All songs on 143 are worse than 3 witness singles.

 

Smile>Witness>143

[ChooseyLover]

Ignoring the fact the album could never be made back then because one of the major inspirations of it was being a mother... Oh honey, it would have been career suicide. Mediocre lead single and Dr. Luke's name attached to it almost at the height of his legal battle with Kesha. It would have been massacre.

[HausOfPunk]

COVID would have happened sooner.

[shoganai]

She would've ended her career earlier 

[WERKER]

Woman's World would be diamond and Nirvana would have been at #1 for 8 weeks+. No blonde buzzcut would have meant Katy would have stayed on top. Regardless of what everyone's individual bias is, that is the truth of the matter 

[SharGaga]

Witness is still a better album than 143 so what do you think? It would have flopped harder than Witness. She was coming off of Dark Horse but the subsequent flops and long break didn't help at all. I doubt timing would have saved 143 which is objectively bad and uninspired.

[Bhabylon]

ChatGPT didn't exist back then, so half of the lyrics couldn't have existed back then

[SupremeGoddess]

1 hour ago, ChooseyLover said:

Ignoring the fact the album could never be made back then because one of the major inspirations of it was being a mother... Oh honey, it would have been career suicide. Mediocre lead single and Dr. Luke's name attached to it almost at the height of his legal battle with Kesha. It would have been massacre.

how do you make a record about experience motherhood and having a DAUGHTER but then have it produced by a rapist, abusive and emotionally manipulative man? oh katy…

 

she should've pulled an adele and use ray or light as inspiration 

 

OT: would have have been dragged if she kept dr puke. if she had gotten an actually good producer… would have been dragged too because the songs are pure garbaj 

[Cyanide]

Maybe she could've ate some Hillary Clinton white feminist scraps with WW 

[Mariano]

Witness>>>>>>>Smile>>>143

[Fitzswiftie]

Witness bellyflopping spectacularly humanised her, for probably the only time on record. it's the canon event that made the KatyKats stay instead of just moving on to the next pop girl. 
 

She would've just released another bland Katy Perry record and faded away like other 00s pop stars after the hits stop, like Fergie, Nelly and Pitbull.

[KillingYourCareer]

No song from 143 would've done as well as Chained to the Rhythm. Some songs could've been minor hits back then, but even Bon Appétit and Swish Swish were bigger than anuthing from 143 could've been.

[BrokenMachine]

Pop was dead in 2017. Witness goes kinda better for the 2017 sound. 143 is way too dance-pop for it to pull some numbers around that time, the flopping would have been bigger

[Rotunda]

So Witness came out prior to Kesha's Praying and prior to the MeToo Movement picking up steam, so I don't think the GP would be as attuned to Dr. Luke's misbehavior as they are now. 

Woman's World probably does slightly worse than CTTR, but debuts top 10 before falling off immediately. 
 

Lifetimes probably does better than Bon Appetit (since there's no SNL controversy) and is maybe a Top 40 hit. 

 

I'm His, He's Mine (assuming this features Nicki instead of Doechii given its 2017) is maybe a Top 20 hit. 
 

The album is probably still poorly received, and Katy pivots away from Luke shortly after the era closes. 

Edited 10 hours ago by Rotunda

[ariesgroove]

143 sonically would've still been extremely dated even in 2017, wouldn't have helped her case much tbh

[Magno]

I think Gimme Gimme's sound remembers me Strip that down when it comes to repeat and beat, I think could be a top 10 and have an equal or better performance than Strip that down, remember Rockstar was Savage's first smash and bank account his first solo hit in that year.

Ba didn't do well even Migos with bad and bungee, because of their problematic discuss, but like Skip , Savage doesn't have a polemic.

I think instead of CTTR the most catch sound out of 143's to trade it , it is Crush, I guess would do the same as CTT, while Gimme Gimme would do better than Bon Appetit despite music video Surely wouldn't make it, and I'm his he's mine in the spot of swish swish would do better too since there was no polemic nor blond hair, And no Swift 's shade

 

I believe peaks could've been: Crush #4 Gimme Gimme #9 I'm his he's mine #10

 

The album would do well because of coming before Kesha's Praying.

143 would come more than 3 months before praying 's release.

Edited 9 hours ago by Magno

[Magno]

7 minutes ago, ariesgroove said:

143 sonically would've still been extremely dated even in 2017, wouldn't have helped her case much tbh

I think the 3 pre single would do way better than the witness polemic's singles 

 

Sometimes in music is better being bland than negative polemic 

[nostalgic]

I can't imagine a world without my Roulette/Bigger Than Me 

[Solaria]

This thread really makes me realize how hard Katy fumbled with NRO and HIH. She really could have had a solid comeback

[loveisdead9582]

Idk. I don't think it would have been received as poorly as it currently is. The music is bland even for 2017 standards but the album itself is a bit more consistent than witness. 

[Popboi.]

Would've done worse, Witness was the better album.

[bestfiction]

During the peak of MeToo movement, in the same year as Kesha dropped Praying? The backlash would've been insane.