news U.S TikTok partially back after Trump's 90-day extension but ByteDance won't divest

[Communion]

3 minutes ago, MattieB said:

i mean the tweet from nina

Nina's tweet is literally @Vermillion's exact argument. As well as AOC's.

 

That there was no actual meaningful evidence of security threat put forth in front of Congress. 

 

Dems still let anti-genocide dissent get them to join Republicans in banning in, and which Biden proudly signed into law.

 

Trump being who originally wanted it banned doesn't matter because Biden basically undid his own actions.

 

> Trump issue EO to have ByteDance divest

> Biden issues EO undoing Trump's EO

> Biden calls for support of and signs law by Congress forcing ByteDance to divest

Edited 3 hours ago by Communion

[flower moon]

noooo. its been the best morning on tiktok in ages. no bots, no ragebait politics, no loud annoying people

[Raphy23]

We don't want them back 

[Vermillion]

5 minutes ago, khalyan said:

The moment you start quoting far right Republicans for your source of information is the moment you've lost me. Sorry. 

Then say you think Rand Paul is making up what the intel says instead of playing this game.

 

Other Dems have mentioned it so maybe I should've mentioned them as a source instead? Because they're less likely to lie? I'd appreciate that framing more honestly.

 

Do YOU think that TikTok should go based on the level of data collection the Chinese is doing?

 

Do YOU think the Dems weren't lobbied by AIPAC which played a part in Biden deciding to sign the bill?

 

We can't treat the Dems as a monolith here - I mean some on this forum do which they're entitled to.

 

[Riot]

"Cher announces farewell tour" fake ahh

[khalyan]

Just now, Vermillion said:

Then say you think Rand Paul is making up what the intel says instead of playing this game.

 

Other Dems have mentioned it so maybe I should've mentioned them as a source instead? Because they're less likely to lie? I'd appreciate that framing more honestly.

 

Do YOU think that TikTok should go based on the level of data collection the Chinese is doing?

 

Do YOU think the Dems weren't lobbied by AIPAC which played a part in Biden deciding to sign the bill?

 

We can't treat the Dems as a monolith here - I mean some on this forum do.

 

I think everyone; you and me included, are rightly pissed at Democrats but that’s not going to steer me into the direction of Republicans. I will not EVER use the Republican party as an advocacy for my thoughts or beliefs. I’ve been around this planet too long and have seen the atrocities they’ve tried to do my entire lifetime against my community. 

[khalyan]

4 minutes ago, Communion said:

Nina's tweet is literally @Vermillion's exact argument. As well as AOC's.

 

 

If that is what Vermillion was trying to say, they did a very poor job of portraying it. 

[khalyan]

What meltdown? @Vermillion

[State of Grace.]

17 minutes ago, khalyan said:

 

thats....literally what @Vermillion is saying and you jumped them  

[Vermillion]

9 minutes ago, Communion said:

Nina's tweet is literally @Vermillion's exact argument. As well as AOC's.

 

That there was no actual meaningful evidence of security threat put forth in front of Congress. 

 

Dems still let anti-genocide dissent get them to join Republicans in banning in, and which Biden proudly signed into law.

 

Trump being who originally wanted it banned doesn't matter because Biden basically undid his own actions.

 

> Trump issue EO to have ByteDance divest

> Biden issues EO undoing Trump's EO

> Biden calls for support of and signs law by Congress forcing ByteDance to divest

3 minutes ago, State of Grace. said:

thats....literally what @Vermillion is saying and you jumped them  

Sigh  

[Gorjesspazze9]

"As a Result of Donald Trumps efforts…"

 

bruh we are living in the end times. That's so weird. 

[Vermillion]

@khalyan So you think I've become a conspiracy theorist here and the one piece of evidence your citing is the Rand Paul report for Mediaite when AOC said the same thing even though AOC herself has lied about her level of support for Israel multiple times. And Nina on other issues.

 

I guess we're rooting for better marketing from Democrats on this issue because they happen to lie less? Including on this issue?

 

And I'M the problem here?

 

 

[Vermillion]

11 minutes ago, khalyan said:

I think everyone; you and me included, are rightly pissed at Democrats but that's not going to steer me into the direction of Republicans. I will not EVER use the Republican party as an advocacy for my thoughts or beliefs. I've been around this planet too long and have seen the atrocities they've tried to do my entire lifetime against my community. 

I'm not letting either party be an advocate for my beliefs so you don't get to speak for me. 

 

AOC for the record does not come to this issue with remotely clean hands either.

[Communion]

Just now, khalyan said:

If that is what Vermillion was trying to say, they did a very poor job of portraying it. 

I just think reflexively seeing criticism of Democrats as an endorsement of Republicans no longer is viable in an era of politics where Dems are losers.

 

"Republicans led the effort and Democrats only joined in" and "Democrats played themselves by pushing to ban TikTok" are not meaningfully different.

 

We are in an era of politics where Democrats are objectively losers to the greater public. Being an elected Democrats is embarrassing and largely a self-inflicted wound.

 

It amounts to semantics that won't actually move how anyone feels about Democrats or how they take away the information by demanding people emphasize something is actually at its root caused by Republicans when Democrats completely and happily took ownership of the action themselves.

 

Liberals can't wish into existence the media environment they want to have. They have to reconcile with the reality of how the country views them.

 

 

[khalyan]

Just now, Communion said:

I just think reflexively seeing criticism of Democrats as an endorsement of Republicans no longer is viable in an era of politics where Dems are losers.

You used RAND PAUL as your source of information. It has nothing to do with any criticism of the Democrats. 

[Vermillion]

Just now, khalyan said:

You used RAND PAUL as your source of information. It has nothing to do with any criticism of the Democrats. 

Politicians lie. AOC has lied, and it happens to be less than Rand Paul and she said the same thing. Your logic doesn't hold water.

[JonginBey]

16 minutes ago, Riot said:

"Cher announces farewell tour" fake ahh

[Bad News]

The blatant PR stunt

[khalyan]

1 minute ago, Vermillion said:

Politicians lie. AOC has lied, and it happens to be less than Rand Paul and she said the same thing. Your logic doesn't hold water.

I cannot believe you are defending using Republicans for your sources now. Why should anyone trust Rand Paul/Ted Cruz/Nancy Mace/MTG, or any other far right politician in 2025?

[americanlife]

The welcome message:

 

"Thanks for your patience and support. As a result of President Trump's efforts, TikTok is back in the U.S.!"

 

this is so stupid. WHAT efforts? Trump isn't even president yet. This was all a stunt to make him look good. None of this should've ever happened.

[khalyan]

6 minutes ago, Vermillion said:

@khalyan So you think I've become a conspiracy theorist here and the one piece of evidence your citing is the Rand Paul report for Mediaite when AOC said the same thing even though AOC herself has lied about her level of support for Israel multiple times. And Nina on other issues.

 

I guess we're rooting for better marketing from Democrats on this issue because they happen to lie less? Including on this issue?

 

And I'M the problem here?

 

 

We have not ONCE talked about Israel/Palestine in our back and forth. Why must you bring it up??

[Communion]

1 minute ago, khalyan said:

You used RAND PAUL as your source of information. It has nothing to do with any criticism of the Democrats. 

You must be quoting the wrong user. This also reads as emotional reaction to the bad PR taking over how Democrats are viewed and what we know is the natural outcome to such. I get being upset at what's about to unfold. It's also though largely on the shoulders of liberal Democrats.

 

I have simply repeated AOC's own claims as someone who voted against the bill and who said there was no security threat presented to members of Congress.

 

This is going to be a PR win for Trump. Emotional arguments about why it shouldn't be can't change how Democrats chose Israel and the beltway over winning.

[thesegayz]

Just now, khalyan said:

We have not ONCE talked about Israel/Palestine in our back and forth. Why must you bring it up??

They lost the plot long ago I fear. That's why I share my opinion and don't engage. 
 

they'd be shilling for big tobacco if this was the 1900s 

[Vermillion]

Just now, khalyan said:

I cannot believe you are defending using Republicans for your sources now. Why should anyone trust Rand Paul/Ted Cruz/Nancy Mace/MTG, or any other far right politician in 2025?

I don't trust Rand Paul and I don't trust AOC and quite frankly I don't trust the whole Congress because they aren't revealing their evidence to the American people. Why are we supposed to trust any of them on this?

 

It was a point of possibility for conversation - I wasn't hinging my entire argument on it?

 

Where else have I cited Republicans on this board?

 

Do you believe AOC? Why can't we see the intelligence? Do you think her excuse excuses as to why we can't see the intelligence should suffice?

 

For the record I don't buy Rand Paul's excuses either on why we can't see the intelligence.

[Vermillion]

2 minutes ago, khalyan said:

We have not ONCE talked about Israel/Palestine in our back and forth. Why must you bring it up??

Because it was a crucial point as to why this app was banned in the first place?

 

I really shouldn't of bothered doing any updates to this thread if people like you are just going to gaslight constantly instead of having any normal debate on a topic.