news Luigi Mangione Megathread: DOJ seeks death penalty, leaked intel calls him Robin Hood

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[teresaguidice]

13 hours ago, CandyCoatedClouds said:

Not if (and this is a small if) there is an undeniable screw up somewhere that declares a mistrial. Like forsay, the disgraced Mayor of NY Eric Adams speech deliberately called him a killer and a terrorist -which is illegal because he hasn't been convicted and he's influencing the minds of potential jurors, therefore spoiling the jury selection- or the fact that the pre-trial judge is married to a former Pfizer executive. The aren't enough to drop the case entirely but enough buildup and maybe the lawyer has a solid case to a mistrial.

if a mistrial is called, then a new trial begins. he doesn't just go free unless the state decides to drop all charges which is impossible in this case. 

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[PoisonPill]

On 12/23/2024 at 4:20 PM, bad guy said:

I guess conflict of interest is fine now. Trial a sham before it started 

This is just a magistrate judge for his initial court appearance, the trial judge hasn't been selected yet

[CandyCoatedClouds]

On 12/25/2024 at 2:09 PM, teresaguidice said:

if a mistrial is called, then a new trial begins. he doesn't just go free unless the state decides to drop all charges which is impossible in this case. 

How many times do you think they'll declare a new trial if they get a mistrial? Not bring snarky just genuinely curious brcaus3 I can't see them going though the process of getting a new jury who isn't sympathetic to him and then redoing the trial if he manages to get off at least once.

[teresaguidice]

2 hours ago, CandyCoatedClouds said:

How many times do you think they'll declare a new trial if they get a mistrial? Not bring snarky just genuinely curious brcaus3 I can't see them going though the process of getting a new jury who isn't sympathetic to him and then redoing the trial if he manages to get off at least once.

i think you're really overestimating the amount of people who would 1) fit the juror profile the prosecution is seeking while actually being sympathetic to luigi, 2) be able to successfully conceal their biases during jury selection, 3) be willing to not follow the jury instructions and vote not guilty to anything, even a lower charge like second degree murder, despite (what we can assume will be) overwhelming evidence, and 4) be willing to hold their ground against the other jurors all the way to a deadlock. most people are generally compliant, are intimidated by the legal institution, and do not have the will to do all of this. the chances of it happening once, let alone twice or more is extremely low. 

 

i also think you're underestimating how important it is for the prosecution to win this case. they won't just let it go. if by some miracle, he isn't convicted of murder, they'd convict him for gun charges and then the judge would likely give him an absurd maximum. 

 

there is no world where he doesn't spend decades in prison unless something truly insane happens or the prosecution is lying about the evidence they have. 

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14 hours ago, teresaguidice said:

i think you're really overestimating the amount of people who would 1) fit the juror profile the prosecution is seeking while actually being sympathetic to luigi, 2) be able to successfully conceal their biases during jury selection, 3) be willing to not follow the jury instructions and vote not guilty to anything, even a lower charge like second degree murder, despite (what we can assume will be) overwhelming evidence, and 4) be willing to hold their ground against the other jurors all the way to a deadlock. most people are generally compliant, are intimidated by the legal institution, and do not have the will to do all of this. the chances of it happening once, let alone twice or more is extremely low. 

 

i also think you're underestimating how important it is for the prosecution to win this case. they won't just let it go. if by some miracle, he isn't convicted of murder, they'd convict him for gun charges and then the judge would likely give him an absurd maximum. 

 

there is no world where he doesn't spend decades in prison unless something truly insane happens or the prosecution is lying about the evidence they have. 

Can't Amnesty International or a global legal body like the International Court of Justice or The Hague intervene in such matters, if it is so blatantly a biased setting or sentence?

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36 minutes ago, sugarysunflower said:

Can't Amnesty International or a global legal body like the International Court of Justice or The Hague intervene in such matters, if it is so blatantly a biased setting or sentence?

no. they would never involve themselves with this. even if they would, considering these bodies could do nothing about the at least 30 prisoners who are still imprisoned in guantanamo bay today without charges or a trial (not even military tribunal) and have been there for 10+ years with no release in sight, i really don't see what they could do about the US imprisoning a US citizen verifiably guilty of murder even with trumped up charges (again, assuming the evidence the state/prosecution presented is real). 

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2 minutes ago, teresaguidice said:

no. they would never involve themselves with this. even if they would, considering these bodies could do nothing about the at least 30 prisoners who are still imprisoned in guantanamo bay today without charges or a trial (not even military tribunal) and have been there for 10+ years with no release in sight, i really don't see what they could do about the US imprisoning a US citizen verifiably guilty of murder even with trumped up charges (again, assuming the evidence the state/prosecution presented is real). 

Thank you. Maybe I'll look into this case law and potentially any previous cases over the last century. 

[ClashAndBurn]

If you ever commit a crime and get caught having supported Luigi online, I guess you can expect to be charged as a terrorist or something.

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[Saddy]

18 hours ago, ClashAndBurn said:

If you ever commit a crime and get caught having supported Luigi online, I guess you can expect to be charged as a terrorist or something.

Not USA becoming a new Russia

[CandyCoatedClouds]

On 12/27/2024 at 1:35 AM, teresaguidice said:

i think you're really overestimating the amount of people who would 1) fit the juror profile the prosecution is seeking while actually being sympathetic to luigi, 2) be able to successfully conceal their biases during jury selection, 3) be willing to not follow the jury instructions and vote not guilty to anything, even a lower charge like second degree murder, despite (what we can assume will be) overwhelming evidence, and 4) be willing to hold their ground against the other jurors all the way to a deadlock. most people are generally compliant, are intimidated by the legal institution, and do not have the will to do all of this. the chances of it happening once, let alone twice or more is extremely low. 

 

i also think you're underestimating how important it is for the prosecution to win this case. they won't just let it go. if by some miracle, he isn't convicted of murder, they'd convict him for gun charges and then the judge would likely give him an absurd maximum. 

 

there is no world where he doesn't spend decades in prison unless something truly insane happens or the prosecution is lying about the evidence they have. 

This is the part that I'm focused on, obviously unles they can prove without reasonable doubt that he's guilty, he'll get sentenced. I'm just saying it can likely that the jury doesn't convict him on the terrorism charges, but instead convicts him on the lower charges.

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5 hours ago, Saddy said:

Not USA becoming a new Russia

This really isn't new for the US by any stretch

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[no_better]

On 12/29/2024 at 1:06 PM, Vermillion said:

 

For somebody who is from Europe and lives in the UK, is New York Post somewhat of an right-wing outlet?

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1 hour ago, no_better said:

For somebody who is from Europe and lives in the UK, is New York Post somewhat of an right-wing outlet?

Yes. Very.

[no_better]

47 minutes ago, Vermillion said:

Yes. Very.

That's gross.

 

OP: I need more Luigi updates I can't stand the idea of him being locked up in the Christmas-New Years interval waiting for god knows what 

[ClashAndBurn]

On 12/29/2024 at 7:47 AM, Vermillion said:

 

Similarly…

 

 

I find it genuinely hysterical that these Israel-supporting frauds are finding it within themselves to speak on the morality of Luigi Mangione when their cause of choice centers around slaughtering infants and bombing hospitals.

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