America fumes as China strengthens relations with Latin America

[shyboi]

8 hours ago, Youngbae said:

All this does is prove you're clearly out of your depth here, babe. How is Ice Spice doing today? How many pounds did she gain? Stick to what works for you.

 

[crymelanie]

18 minutes ago, Communion said:

Is this... saying China is carpet-bombing its own province of Xinjiang? This is why hyperbole ultimately discredits whatever you're hoping to get across.

 

You position yourself as not arguing America is inherently good yet can't stand to scrutiny when your claims of China as inherently evil are picked apart - ultimately leading whoever you're trying to persuade to realize China is not uniquely evil and that the argument of China as innately evil as a society solely exists to defend American barbarism.

 

You can't make meaningful criticisms of China as a global concern while at the same time overtly defending and inherently downplaying (by de-facto exaggerating realities about China and inventing fictions out of thin air) what are objectively worse behaviors by the current American empire.

 

Of course any smaller nation should approach an economic powerhouse with the understanding politics is transactional and not charity and engage with skepticism, but what is ultimately fear-mongering reveals people holding onto an antiquated campism - this idea of the world still being good nations vs evil nations - that just doesn't exist anymore. The world has moved beyond the kind of adventurism and hegemony that argues "America at its worst is still better than even the least-evil evil nation".

 

What credibility does the US even hold anymore on the global stage to decide who are the good guys and bad guys of the world?

It isn't called credibility but you are defending China out of nowhere with no context and twisting my words?

It is called colonialism which China is doing right now in camps for Uyghurs

https://www.cfr.org/backgrounder/china-xinjiang-uyghurs-muslims-repression-genocide-human-rights 

Anyways 

中国是一个专制国家

 

[Breathe On Moi]

what is going awn in here tho 

 

[Communion]

9 minutes ago, crymelanie said:

Gurl umm did i say anything to defend US?

 

4 minutes ago, crymelanie said:

https://www.cfr.org/

The CFR is a CIA cut-out and de-facto arm of the US national security apparatus. 

 

Again, this shouldn't be hard of a conversation to have. People should be able to list criticisms of China that exist outside of the agenda of America's hegemonic military empire. It should be especially easy to do if one's actual concern is about the quality of life of Chinese people, not saber-rattling on behalf of the US who wants the balkanization of China.

 

Multiple users have articulated why exaggerations over China's problems and paternalism over those who do trade with it has lost its effect and no one can answer why:

9 hours ago, Virgos Groove said:

I more or less agree with your sentiment, but I wanna point that no country does anything out of the goodness of their hearts. China is simply offering better deals than the US (who, most of the time, don't even offer deals; they just coup or invade 3rd world countries).

 

There's a 0% chance of China (or Russia or the EU) becoming a unipolar force, like the US was in the 90s. America is simply too powerful and too rich to completely lose its voice in the world stage. What people - except for a handful of Chinese nationalists who have no real power outside of Twitter - are rooting for is a multipolar world where no country can have full control of the world.

 

Of course, a multipolar world is not the solution to everything and will have its own contradictions (see: the recent case in Ghana where a Chinese multinational killed 3 people by blowing up rocks without warning the populace), but it will be better for the Global South.

 

OT: It's ironic is that Obama saw the way the tides were turning and made a limited, but important outreach to the 3rd World (Cuban thaw, Iran nuclear deal). Then Trump reversed it and Biden (as well as Kamala's campaign) has largely continued those policies. This is why countries are turning to China.

 

The EU is next. Mr. Xi, we Southern Europeans yearn for your high-speed trains.

It's apparently "tankism" to NOT threaten other nations with rolling in American tanks if they dare take Chinese soybean oil. 

[crymelanie]

Assuming you're Chinese while you are defending and twisting my words this is my last words dont even bother to '@' me @Communion sis..

 One thing being bad should not prevent another from being good. This cannot be that hard to understand. A life changing experience and today's lesson 

[wastedpotential]

49 minutes ago, Communion said:

What credibility does the US even hold anymore on the global stage to decide who are the good guys and bad guys of the world?

Well...

 

 

I believe they call this the country-buster, and the US is in the process of building 4 more (and there are 5 more on the DOD's Congressional Christmas wishlist), on top of the other 10 from the Nimitz class that are also each individually more powerful than every single other naval vessel currently floating combined, plus the 9 other amphibious assault ships (and 3 more on the way) that would be considered an aircraft carrier in any other navy, but which the US only uses for attack helicopters because there currently aren't enough advanced fighter jets to go around 

 

I guess this probably wouldn't improve the US's global standings on a "good country"/"evil country" spectrum, but people like Michael Waltz, Stephen Miller, and Pete Hegseth don't exactly strike me as the type to care much about what the international community (or the Peruvian government, for instance) would think if this newly built port just randomly... exploded 

[Mandalay]

On 11/23/2024 at 11:22 AM, SmittenCake said:

From my observations: China builds. America exploits and destroys. 

From my EXPERIENCE, China exploits on an inhumane level.

[Mandalay]

14 hours ago, Communion said:

I mean, this shouldn't be hard then. Please cite any examples of China doing any of the following in recent memory:

- Usage of drone strikes to attack other nations

- Launched mass aerial strike bombing campaigns to attack other nations 

- Led military invasions into other nations

- Organized and led regime change operations against other nations

 

?

 

If the most anyone can cite is somehow twisting the issues of Taiwan or Hong Kong into any of the above despite not actually fitting any of the above descriptions, it reveals people endorse the brutality of the American military empire and imagine barbarism where it doesn't exist amongst America's enemies. 

China is openly supporting the military junta in Myanmar which has bombed its own citizens and even supplying weapons.

[AlanRickman1946]

Every country takes turns behaving like jerks. People who still say "white men bad" are showing they have the maturity of a toddler and don't know much about world history.

[Marianah Adkins]

China is as bad as the US lets not get ahead of ourselves here. They are the equivalent of Russia here in Asia Pacific and are a true menace. Only deluded tankies thought otherwise. 

 

Ironically one of the (hopefully) few good things that Trump brings is that the US will probably be more hawkish against China given how Trump literally waged a trade war against them in his first term 

[Letemtalk]

This is what the United States has to offer the developing world.

Meanwhile in South America, they are planning to build an inter-oceanic train connecting the Pacific to the Atlantic, crossing Peru, Bolivia and Brazil.

People are shocked when China seems like a better partner.

[Cain]

On 11/23/2024 at 8:07 AM, Luckitty said:

see how China grew its power and influence without bombing countless countries, toppling governments, destabilizing countries, and killing millions of people? 

 

and america wonders why the rest of the world prefers china to america

You must have never talked to any East Asian person that's not Chinese ever

[Rep2000]

6 minutes ago, Cain said:

You must have never talked to any East Asian person that's not Chinese ever

The amount of China shills on this site, far too much omg.
People can just go on Tiktok and see if they can find any contents about Uyghur or Hong Kong oppressions (of course they won't). Or China exploitations in current African countries. Or its current sabotages of sea cables practically everywhere. Owning the most brainrot platform in the world certainly comes with a lot of perks, especially when it comes to misdirecting the outrage attentions *away* from them.

[Arthoe]

On 11/23/2024 at 7:47 AM, Anthinos said:

I wouldn't be surprised if more countries deepen their relationship with China. I could imagine Germany doing this. Trump hates Germany.

Lol we have elections in a few weeks with the far-right populist conservatives (that have continuously said that Trump wasn't as bad as everyone made him seem) and far-right extremist buffons that openly want to suck his c*ck securing more than 55% of the vote together. 

 

With the German political establishment throughout the entire the poltical spectrum wanting to illegalize criticism against you know which state, and Trump being a staunch defender of that state, moving closer towards China is never gonna happen. We're going to move closer to the US, the political culture is gonna move closer to that of the US.

 

Spoiler

And because I'm a pessimist, I predict that police brutality will reach a level here that has been unprecedented and will mirror the way the police operates in the USA as well. 

 

[katykater]

On 11/23/2024 at 5:52 AM, SmittenCake said:

From my observations: China builds. America exploits and destroys. 

China debt traps countries by:

• Offering loans at 4 times the interest rate the West is charging to countries who can't afford the cheap Western loans.
• Selling the idea of building infrastructure a country doesn't need and can't earn the money back. Politicians love doing prestige projects, white elephants,... and once their term is done, the debt becomes someone else's problem.
• Having to spend it on Chinese companies building the infrastructure. The borrowed money goes back to China instead of spent in the country and their neighbors.
• The ports are usually filled with Chinese workers and they make the local police keeping the locals out of it.
• Wannabe dictators like the expensive loans with no strings attached (like it is meant to be stolen), because Western loans come with oversight checking if the money is not stolen.
• When a country defaults on a Chinese loan, China gets a 99 year lease on a port like they have learned a British trick. The 99 year lease was designed to be as good as forever (if the colonizer is still a superpower and could afford to enforce it militarily) while allowing the other side to save face "it's only 99 years, we will get it back". What China really wants, is owning many naval bases and small colonies all over the world map.

 

Watch out for a Chinese naval base in Jamaica:

 

[Movimento Perpétuo]

Yeah, America is losing its space meanwhile China is investing really hard in Latin America, especially in countries like Brazil, Peru and Venezuela. As per example, Brazil thoughout the years:

 

It will be a matter of time that our children will learn Chinese at school. Neoimperialism at its finest.

[jijie101]

On 12/1/2024 at 5:51 PM, Cain said:

You must have never talked to any East Asian person that's not Chinese ever

Girl, the only country did all of those things was Imperial Japan, not China

[Cain]

1 hour ago, jijie101 said:

Girl, the only country did all of those things was Imperial Japan, not China

Stares in Vietnamese and Taiwanese