Why did WICKED smash but the JOKER flop?

[BorderBoy]

I know y'all must be thinking 'ugh, another comparison thread', and you're right but not in the correct sense. Seriously, both are musicals, both have major pop stars starring in them and the Joker itself was a massive success in its first film so people were expected to be excited for the sequel but it didn't do well.

 

When the Joker flopped, people said not everyone is into musicals but then the Wicked came out and proved them wrong.

 

 

[Dula Peep]

One has Cynthia Erivo carrying it

 

#thankuCynthia

[vuelve88]

People love good musicals 

 

Edited 5 hours ago by vuelve88

[BrokenMachine]

It's such an easy answer: it's about giving their respective fanbases what they wanted.

 

The Wicked movie is carried by an outstanding fanbase of people who love musicals, and have Wicked at their top, and the movie just gave them exactly what they wanted, since they were literally waiting for decades for the movie to finally happen.

 

Meanwhile, the Joker stans wanted J:FAD to follow the same line as the first movie, which it didn't, and on top of that, added the musical element to it

Edited 6 hours ago by BrokenMachine

[Domination]

Well, for starters Joker basically spat in the face of anyone who connected to the first one and the musical numbers border on mockery.

[FrederickGa]

Because WICKED's fanbase is musical lovers, JFAD's are incels

[JO1s]

Because the first joker was marketed to an audience that despises musicals, and the second joker hid the fact that it was a musical. 
 

Wicked is the second highest grossing brodway musical only behind the lion king. It has a wider appeal in age range and it is unapologetically a musical. 
 

Audiences don't necessarily hate musicals, they hate poorly executed half assed musicals.

[CozySkin]

The Power of Ari 

[enchanted0]

Ariana has a voice of angel, and Gaga has gargoyle's

[Florence Belch]

1 minute ago, enchanted0 said:

voice

[Pinocchiho]

Wicked doesn't have any movie killers on the payroll 

[terrorblade]

fad was horrible come on now

[enchanted0]

2 minutes ago, Florence Belch said:

Still million times more pleasant than Gaga's  

[LastGreatBloodline]

JFAD was doomed from the moment they decided it would be a musical. It makes absolutely no sense and doesn't appeal to any demographic. 

[Archetype]

Jfad spat in the face of the very audience that funded it.  Everything the fans loved about the first movie was gone and replaced with musical scenes and court drama focused around a weakened Joker. 
 

Wicked is a faithful adaptation of a beloved play that was carefully screened tested and tweaked to what seems like perfection.  The director wanted fans to love this movie, and that's what seems to be happening!  Good for them tbh!

[Burn]

I mean it's expected. Ariana is a much bigger name than Gaga in 2024. Just looking at their achievements this year:

 

eternal sunshine: #1

Harlequin: #20

 

yes, and? (solo): #1

Die With A Smile (Bruno Mars featuring guest performer Lady Gaga): #2

 

we can't be friends (solo): #1

Disease (solo): #27

 

JFAD box office opening weekend: $37.7m

Wicked opening weekend projection: $120 million - $140 million

 

They are not in the same league.

[manuelalex9810]

Because it's a good movie, they have singers who can act and the songs are good. 

[BorderBoy]

Why are people downvoting the OP omg?

 

[FrederickGa]

3 minutes ago, Burn said:

I mean it's expected. Ariana is a much bigger name than Gaga in 2024. Just looking at their achievements this year:

 

eternal sunshine: #1

Harlequin: #20

 

yes, and? (solo): #1

Die With A Smile (Bruno Mars featuring guest performer Lady Gaga): #2

 

we can't be friends (solo): #1

Disease (solo): #27

 

JFAD box office opening weekend: $37.7m

Wicked opening weekend projection: $120 million - $140 million

 

They are not in the same league.

Using Music Stat in Film Discussion is not the receipt you think it is..

 

Using that logic, CATS shouldve been the BIGGEST MUSICAL ever 

[Selegend]

idk but "Emilia Perez" is still the best musical of the year! THAT'S ART! THAT'S CAMP! 

 

 

 

[DougAF]

3 minutes ago, BorderBoy said:

Why are people downvoting the OP omg?

 

Liddos downvote everything 

[BrokenMachine]

4 minutes ago, BorderBoy said:

Why are people downvoting the OP omg?

 

Because they're the ones thinking 'ugh, another comparison thread'. You could have expected it

 

[AshleyLovescats887]

I blame jonathan phoenix sphynx or whatever his name is for jfad

Edited 5 hours ago by AshleyLovescats887

[Scandalous]

#ThankYouAri  

[Cyber]

Thank you Arianna 

Edited 5 hours ago by Cyber