base talk The 12th Annual ATRL Grammys | Nominations revealed

[Achilles.]

Leaving me no choice but to vote for Beyoncé in AOTY. That's really funny.
 

EDIT: Oh, the sneak Chappell nom. Yeah I think I'll vote for her even if I listen to Cowboy Carter more. 

 

The way my tastes are wildly out of sync with this site. Honestly I love it. Javelin is better than that entire lineup combined. 

Edited 3 hours ago by Achilles.

[supaspaz]

1 minute ago, Wicked said:

Radical Optimism is not good, how did this happen lol

I am...not sure!

[Mr.X]

2 minutes ago, supaspaz said:

And the nominees for ALBUM OF THE YEAR are...

 

Brat

Charli XCX

Cowboy Carter

Beyoncé

Deeper Well

Kacey Musgraves

Eternal Sunshine

Ariana Grande

Hit Me Hard and Soft

Billie Eilish

Imaginal Disk

Magdalena Bay

Radical Optimism

Dua Lipa

Short n' Sweet

Sabrina Carpenter

The Rise and Fall of a Midwest Princess

Chappell Roan

Great list!

 

Eternal Sunshine or HIT ME HARD AND SOFT win this for me

[Achilles.]

40 minutes ago, supaspaz said:

I am as confused as you all. She used to utterly dominate the ATRL Grammys. But the great Folklore vs. Future Nostalgia war of 2021 really burned a lot of people. I wonder if they're just steering clear now.

A few of the swifties think you are biased against Taylor and rig things against her somehow, but most of them just don't really care because she wins real Grammys.

[supaspaz]

3 minutes ago, Achilles. said:

The way my tastes are wildly out of sync with this site. Honestly I love it. Javelin is better than that entire lineup combined. 

It's interesting. He was more in the mix than you would think, but this site is just too pop-oriented.

[supaspaz]

Vampire Weekend getting that AOTY nomination the first year still amazes me

[Luckitty]

7 minutes ago, supaspaz said:

The Rise and Fall of a Midwest Princess

Chappell Roan

 

my AOTY

[glitch]

Taylor getting completely snubbed 

[Namiskine]

Taylor not getting any nom 

 

Kesha not getting any nom 

[makeawish]

18 minutes ago, supaspaz said:

Imaginal Disk

Magdalena Bay

 

WOW! and so well deserved

[supaspaz]

1 minute ago, Achilles. said:

A few of the swifties think you are biased against Taylor and rig things against her somehow, but most of them just don't really care because she wins real Grammys.

I thought that might be the case. I feel bad about that, but if it was true, she obviously wouldn't be our all-time most recognized artist. Every year, it feels like the Swifties lean out more and more. This is the first time since the 5th Annual ATRL Grammys that she hasn't scored a single nomination, and I think it's never happened before when she was eligible with a new project.

[supaspaz]

 

8 nominations:
Ariana Grande

 

7 nominations:
Sabrina Carpenter

 

6 nominations:
Beyoncé
Chappell Roan
Charli XCX

 

5 nominations:
Billie Eilish
Dua Lipa
Kacey Musgraves
Kendrick Lamar

 

4 nominations:
Doechii
Megan Thee Stallion
Tinashe
Zach Bryan

 

3 nominations:
Doja Cat
Finneas
GloRilla
Jade
Megan Moroney
Shaboozey
SZA

 

2 nominations:
A.G. Cook
Amy Allen
Andrew Watt
Brandy
Bruno Mars
Dan Nigro
Fontaines D.C.
Halsey
Jack Antonoff
Justin Tranter
Lady Gaga
Lorde
Madison Beer
Magdalena Bay
Normani
Ravyn Lenae
Raye
St. Vincent
Troye Sivan
Vampire Weekend

 

1 nomination:
Alex Goldblatt
Allie X
Benson Boone
Bentaur Pepple
Beresford Romeo
Brian Holland
Burton Frederic
Camila Cabello
Caroline Ailin
Caron Wheeler
Carter Lang
Chris Stapleton
Cian Ducrot
Clairo
Connie Harrington
Curtis Robertson Jr.
D’Mile
Daniel Tashian
Daniel Upchurch
Danny L Harle
Delbert M. Greer
Diovanna Frazier
Drake
Ezra Koenig
Fiona Apple
FLO
Flo Milli
Future
Gentaur Memishi
Gracie Abrams
Ian Fitchuk
Ilya Salmanzadeh
Iron & Wine
Isaac Earl Bynum
Jack Harlow
Jack White
James Fauntleroy
James Ian Anderson
Jared Solomon
Jean-Baptise Kouame
Jerrel Jones
Jessi Alexander
Jessie Jo Dillon
Joe Kent
Joel Banks
Joey Hamhock
John Mayer
John Mayer
Jordan Fish
Jorja Smith
JT
Kaelyn Behr
Kaytranada
Kehlani
Kelsea Ballerini
Kevin Parker
Khris Riddick-Tynes
Leland
Leon Bridges
Leon Ware
Lydia Asrat
Mannequin Pussy
Mark Williams
Max Martin
Metro Boomin
Michael Smith
Mikkel Eriksen
Miley Cyrus
Monica
Nellee Hooper
Nevin Sastry
Nickie Jon Pabón
Nik Frascona
Nilüfer Yanya
Now Ghost
Oscar Görres
Ozan Yildirim
Playboi Carti
Poppy
Post Malone
Rachel Chinouriri
Reginald Nelton
Rob Bisel
Rudy Sandapa
Ryan Ashley
ScHoolboy Q
Scott Zhang
Sean Cook
Sean Momberger
Sexyy Red
SG Lewis
Shawn Jarrett
Simon Law
Stephen Harrison
Stuart Price
Sufjan Stevens
Syreeta Wright
Tayla Parx
Taylor Banks
The Last Dinner Party
The Marías
Tobias Jesso Jr.
Tommy Brown
Tommy Parker
Tommy Richman
Tor Hermansen
Tove Lo
Tyla
Uzoechi Emenike
Victoria Monét
Vince Staples
Waxahatchee
Will Archer

[makeawish]

i like taylor, like TTPD to some value but it's not that great and also, a lot of the categories were asking me to pick fortnight and that's a big ask for anyone apart from the hardcore? 

[supaspaz]

Thank you for bearing with me through a truly challenging nominations announcement! But we made it, and I had a blast spending this time with you. I'll have the official ballot up soon.

[Achilles.]

1 minute ago, makeawish said:

i like taylor, like TTPD to some value but it's not that great and also, a lot of the categories were asking me to pick fortnight and that's a big ask for anyone apart from the hardcore? 

A few of us tried pushing the superior Guilty As Sin but I guess there just wasn't enough support.

[glitch]

Ariana having the most nominations in a year where her music felt kinda overlooked (until Wicked) is kinda surprising, but nice to see.

 

Really loving the Jade and Tinashe recognition. Mothers convention 

 

 

[supaspaz]

3 minutes ago, Achilles. said:

A few of us tried pushing the superior Guilty As Sin but I guess there just wasn't enough support.

It got longlisted for ROTY, but I have to admit, it was way down there...

[supaspaz]

1 minute ago, glitch said:

Ariana having the most nominations in a year where her music felt kinda overlooked (until Wicked) is kinda surprising, but nice to see.

If you had asked me the nominations leader, I would have guessed Charli, Beyoncé, Sabrina, Chappell, Billie...a lot of people before Ariana!

[supaspaz]

So what are your top surprises and snubs this year?

[supaspaz]

Biggest snub: Obviously, Taylor completely whiffing. But "360" missing Record of the Year and Best Pop Solo Performance shocked me. It was Charli's year!

 

Biggest surprise: Ariana being the nominations leader might only be eclipsed by Radical Optimism making it into Album of the Year. Yes, that feels even crazier than Magdalena Bay. Pleasantly surprised by all the "Angel of My Dreams" love.

[supaspaz]

The buzz evaporated!

[supaspaz]

 

[supaspaz]

 

Below is the official ballot for the 12th Annual ATRL Grammys. (You can relive the announcement of the nominations here.)

 

Members can select one winner in each category, though it is not required to vote in every category. If there is a category where you are unfamiliar with the nominees, it's preferable that you skip it rather than simply pick a name you know — or better yet, use it as an opportunity to discover new music.

 

Ballots are due by Sunday, January 12, and should be sent by private message.

 

GENERAL FIELD

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ALBUM OF THE YEAR
Brat Charli XCX
Cowboy Carter Beyoncé
Deeper Well Kacey Musgraves
Eternal Sunshine Ariana Grande
Hit Me Hard and Soft Billie Eilish
Imaginal Disk Magdalena Bay
Radical Optimism Dua Lipa
Short n' Sweet Sabrina Carpenter
The Rise and Fall of a Midwest Princess Chappell Roan

 

RECORD OF THE YEAR
"Angel of My Dreams" Jade
"Birds of a Feather" Billie Eilish
"Espresso" Sabrina Carpenter
"Good Luck, Babe!" Chappell Roan
"Houdini" Dua Lipa
"Nasty" Tinashe
"Not Like Us" Kendrick Lamar
"We Can't Be Friends (Wait For Your Love)" Ariana Grande

 

SONG OF THE YEAR

"Birds of a Feather" Billie Eilish Songwriters: Billie Eilish O'Connell and Finneas O'Connell
"Die With a Smile" Lady Gaga and Bruno Mars Songwriters: Dernst Emile II, James Fauntleroy, Lady Gaga, Bruno Mars and Andrew Watt

"Girl, So Confusing" Charli XCX ft. Lorde Songwriters: Charlotte Aitchison, Alexander Guy Cook and Ella Yelich-O'Connor

"Good Luck, Babe!" Chappell Roan Songwriters: Kayleigh Rose Amstutz, Daniel Nigro and Justin Tranter
"Houdini" Dua Lipa Songwriters: Caroline Ailin, Danny L Harle, Tobias Jesso Jr., Dua Lipa and Kevin Parker
"Not Like Us" Kendrick Lamar Songwriter: Kendrick Lamar Duckworth
"One of Your Girls" Troye Sivan Songwriters: Oscar Görres, Leland and Troye Sivan
"We Can't Be Friends (Wait For Your Love)" Ariana Grande Songwriters: Ariana Grande, Max Martin and Ilya Salmanzadeh

 

BEST NEW ARTIST

Benson Boone
Chappell Roan
GloRilla
Gracie Abrams
Madison Beer
Rachel Chinouriri
Shaboozey
The Marías

 

POP

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BEST POP SOLO PERFORMANCE
"Angel of My Dreams" Jade
"Birds of a Feather" Billie Eilish
"Espresso" Sabrina Carpenter
"Good Luck, Babe!" Chappell Roan
"Houdini" Dua Lipa
"We Can't Be Friends (Wait For Your Love)" Ariana Grande

 

BEST POP DUO/GROUP PERFORMANCE
"Die With a Smile" Lady Gaga and Bruno Mars
"Girl, So Confusing" Charli XCX ft. Lorde
"I Luv It" Camila Cabello ft. Playboi Carti
"Levii's Jeans" Beyoncé and Post Malone
"The Boy Is Mine (Remix)" Ariana Grande ft. Brandy and Monica

 

BEST POP VOCAL ALBUM
Brat Charli XCX
Eternal Sunshine Ariana Grande
Hit Me Hard and Soft Billie Eilish
Short n' Sweet Sabrina Carpenter
The Rise and Fall of a Midwest Princess Chappell Roan

 

BEST DANCE RECORDING
"Heat" Tove Lo and SG Lewis
"Illusion" Dua Lipa
"Make You Mine" Madison Beer
"Von Dutch" Charli XCX
"Yes, And?" Ariana Grande

 

ROCK

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BEST ROCK PERFORMANCE

"Broken Man" St. Vincent
"Gen-X Cops" Vampire Weekend
"Lonely Is the Muse" Halsey
"Starbuster" Fontaines D.C.
"Ya Ya" Beyoncé

 

BEST ROCK SONG

"Flea" St. Vincent Songwriter: Annie Clark

"Lonely Is the Muse" Halsey Songwriters: Ashley Frangipane and Stuart Price

"Mary Boone" Vampire Weekend Songwriters: Nellee Hooper, Ezra Koenig, Simon Law, Beresford Romeo and Caron Wheeler

"Mutations" Nilüfer Yanya Songwriters: Will Archer and Nilüfer Yanya

"New Way Out" Poppy Songwriters: Jordan Fish, Stephen Harrison and Moriah Pereira

 

BEST ROCK ALBUM

I Got Heaven Mannequin Pussy
No Name Jack White
Prelude to Ecstasy The Last Dinner Party
Rite Here Right Now Ghost
Romance Fontaines D.C.

 

BEST ALTERNATIVE MUSIC ALBUM

Charm Clairo
Girl With No Face Allie X
Imaginal Disk Magdalena Bay
Javelin Sufjan Stevens
Only God Was Above Us Vampire Weekend

 

R&B

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BEST R&B PERFORMANCE

"Check" FLO
"Genesis." Raye
"Genius" Ravyn Lenae
"Nasty" Tinashe
"Saturn" SZA

 

BEST R&B SONG
"After Hours" Kehlani Songwriters: Diovanna Frazier, Alex Goldblatt, Kehlani Parrish, Khris Riddick-Tynes and Daniel Upchurch
"Check" FLO Songwriters: Ryan Ashley, Kaelyn Behr, Uzoechi Emenike, Curtis Robertson Jr., Rudy Sandapa, Leon Ware and Syreeta Wright
"Insomnia" Normani Songwriters: Lydia Asrat, Tommy Brown, Mikkel Eriksen, Normani Hamilton, Tor Hermansen, Brandy Norwood, Victoria Monét, Tommy Parker and Tayla Parx
"Nasty" Tinashe Songwriters: Eric Burton Frederic and Tinashe Kachingwe
"Saturn" SZA Songwriters: Rob Bisel, Cian Ducrot, Carter Lang, Solána Rowe, Jared Solomon and Scott Zhang

 

BEST R&B ALBUM

Bird's Eye Ravyn Lenae
Dopamine Normani
Falling or Flying Jorja Smith
Quantum Baby Tinashe
Tyla Tyla

 

RAP

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BEST RAP PERFORMANCE

"Hiss" Megan Thee Stallion
"Like That" Future, Metro Boomin and Kendrick Lamar
"Nissan Altima" Doechii
"Not Like Us" Kendrick Lamar
"Yeah Glo!" GloRilla

 

BEST MELODIC RAP PERFORMANCE

"Agora Hills" Doja Cat
"Alter Ego" Doechii and JT
"Million Dollar Baby" Tommy Richman
"Never Lose Me" Flo Milli
"Rich Baby Daddy" Drake ft. Sexyy Red and SZA
"Wanna Be" GloRilla and Megan Thee Stallion

 

BEST RAP SONG

"Agora Hills" Doja Cat Songwriters: Isaac Earl Bynum, Amala Zandile Dlamini, Brian Holland, Jean-Baptise Kouame, Gentaur Memishi, Bentaur Pepple and Michael Smith

"Denial Is a River" Doechii Songwriters: James Ian Anderson, Joey Hamhock and Jaylah Hickmon
"Hiss" Megan Thee Stallion Songwriters: Joel Banks, Taylor Banks, Shawn Jarrett and Megan Pete
"Lovin On Me" Jack Harlow Songwriters: Nik Frascona, Delbert M. Greer, Jackman Harlow, Sean Momberger, Reginald Nelton, Nickie Jon Pabón and Ozan Yildirim
"Not Like Us" Kendrick Lamar Songwriter: Kendrick Lamar Duckworth

 

BEST RAP ALBUM

Alligator Bites Never Heal Doechii
Blue Lips ScHoolboy Q
Dark Times Vince Staples
Megan Megan Thee Stallion
Scarlet Doja Cat

COUNTRY

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BEST COUNTRY SOLO PERFORMANCE

"A Bar Song (Tipsy)" Shaboozey

"Bored" Waxahatchee

"Man On the Moon" Megan Moroney

"Pink Skies" Zach Bryan

"Slim Pickins" Sabrina Carpenter

"Texas Hold 'Em" Beyoncé

"The Architect" Kacey Musgraves

 

BEST COUNTRY DUO/GROUP PERFORMANCE
"All In Good Time" Iron & Wine ft. Fiona Apple
"Better Days" Zach Bryan ft. John Mayer
"Cowboys Cry Too" Kelsea Ballerini and Noah Kahan
"II Most Wanted" Beyoncé and Miley Cyrus
"Superbloom" Kacey Musgraves ft. Leon Bridges

 

BEST COUNTRY SONG

"A Bar Song (Tipsy)" Shaboozey Songwriters: Sean Cook, Jerrel Jones, Joe Kent, Chibueze Collins Obinna, Nevin Sastry and Mark Williams

"Deeper Well" Kacey Musgraves Songwriters: Ian Fitchuk, Kacey Musgraves and Daniel Tashian

"No Caller ID" Megan Moroney Songwriters: Jessi Alexander, Jessie Jo Dillon, Connie Harrington and Megan Moroney

"Pink Skies" Zach Bryan Songwriter: Zach Bryan

"Slim Pickins" Sabrina Carpenter Songwriters: Amy Allen, Jack Antonoff and Sabrina Carpenter

 

BEST COUNTRY ALBUM

Am I Okay? Megan Moroney
Cowboy Carter Beyoncé
Deeper Well Kacey Musgraves
Higher Chris Stapleton
The Great American Bar Scene Zach Bryan

 

MISCELLANEOUS

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PRODUCER OF THE YEAR
A.G. Cook (Brooke Candy, Hannah Diamond, Horsegiirl, Ilsey, Fujii Kaze, Caroline Polachek, Troye Sivan, Sam Smith, Hikaru Utada, Charli XCX)
Dan Nigro (Chappell Roan, Olivia Rodrigo)
Finneas (Billie Eilish, Nicki Minaj)
Jack Antonoff (Gracie Abrams, Bleachers, Sabrina Carpenter, Lana Del Rey, Maren Morris, Paramore, Quavo, Taylor Swift, The New Look soundtrack)
Kaytranada (Kaytranda, Mach-Hommy, Maeta, Mariah the Scientist, ¥$)

 

SONGWRITER OF THE YEAR
Amy Allen (Boys World, Leon Bridges, Sabrina Carpenter, Jonas Brothers, Tate McRae, Jessie Murph, *NSYNC, Olivia Rodrigo, Justin Timberlake, Koe Wetzel, Charlotte Day Wilson)
Andrew Watt (Lana Del Rey, Calvin Harris, Jungkook, Lenny Kravitz, Lady Gaga, Bruno Mars, Pearl Jam, Peso Pluma, Quavo, The Rolling Stones, Eddie Vedder)
Finneas (Billie Eilish, Nicki Minaj)
Justin Tranter (Bake A-yeon, Baby Tate, BoyWithUke, Chinchilla, Crash Adams, Blu DeTiger, Russell Dickerson, Rose Gray, Katseye, David Kushner, Le Sserafim, John Legend, Nicki Minaj, Paravi, Billy Porter, Chappell Roan, Jake Wesley Rogers, Saweetie, Talk, YDE)
Raye (Beyoncé, Lucky Daye, Halle, Jennifer Lopez, Kylie Minogue, Neiked, Rita Ora, Raye, The Blessed Madonna)

 

BEST MUSIC VIDEO
"360" Charli XCX
"Angel of My Dreams" Jade
"One of Your Girls" Troye Sivan
"Taste" Sabrina Carpenter
"We Can't Be Friends (Wait For Your Love)" Ariana Grande

[Element Of Milk]

Sometimes, a nomination makes you question everything you know about the integrity of an awards process. Enter Jade - Angel of My Dreams, a track that has somehow managed to weasel its way into the ATRL Grammys conversation. Let's be real—this nomination reeks of desperation, clout chasing, and, frankly, a severe lapse in musical taste.

 

Firstly, let's talk about the song itself. "Angel of My Dreams" is neither groundbreaking nor memorable. Its production feels like it was lifted straight from a free stock-music website, with uninspired melodies and a hollow, lifeless beat that wouldn't even make it onto a B-side from a mid-tier pop star. The lyrics are equally banal—filled with clichés so tired they could put a toddler to sleep. If this is what passes for "Grammy-worthy" material, then we might as well start nominating karaoke performances at this point.

 

What's even more galling is how this track seems to have gained its nomination. It doesn't take much digging to see that this was the result of fan campaigns rather than genuine recognition of artistic merit. Sure, stan culture is a force to be reckoned with, but there's a fine line between supporting your fave and pushing mediocrity into spaces it doesn't belong. Jade's fans may be vocal, but volume doesn't equate to value.

 

Let's also address the elephant in the room: the competition. This year has been a buffet of artistic excellence, with artists pouring their heart and soul into works that resonate deeply and push boundaries. The inclusion of "Angel of My Dreams" in the same lineup is not just laughable—it's an insult to those who have worked tirelessly to create art that matters. For every slot wasted on filler like this, there's an actual masterpiece being overlooked.

 

In conclusion, the nomination of Jade - Angel of My Dreams at the ATRL Grammys is a textbook example of how popularity contests can overshadow genuine artistry. It's a sobering reminder that hype often trumps substance in today's music industry. Here's hoping the voters do the right thing and leave this "angel" where it belongs: grounded.

Edited 2 hours ago by Element Of Milk

[Namiskine]

Worst nomination of the year definitely is Radical Optimism as AOTY. Dua did release good singles, but the album was such a let down.