base talk Pop music had a golden rule. Why did Lady Gaga break it?

[Aston Martin]

15 minutes ago, alex_katycat said:

well, it took Miss Gaga 20 years to process the fair points you made, I'm sure others might follow suit! 

 

There was actually a 6ish year period of time between the song's release and taking it off platforms. Still too long of course; that man should've never been on the song, in her vicinity, or even out of a prison cell after what he did to multiple victims (including his own daughter apparently. Abusing children is a particular brand of evil, but doing it to your own is somehow even worse. I truly hope that man gets jumped every day for the rest of his miserable existence). 

 

I also hope Dr. Luke ends up in a cell as well. Sexually assaulting someone, bullying someone for their weight to the point that they develop an eating disorder that they get hospitalized for, getting physically violent to the point where the victim flees on foot to escape, and freezing royalty payments to your victim because they called out your abuse should land someone in prison for a long time. Just as Gaga disregarding R. Kelly's abuse by working with him is absolutely inexcusable, anyone who has disregarded Luke's abuse of Kesha to work with him is also inexcusable. Let's hope for the sake of all the victims that apologies are said and amends are made. Because that **** hurts when people turn a blind eye to work with/excuse your abuser or the abuse you have faced. 

 

I guess this may have veered a little off topic, so I'm going to take this time to say:

 

To all celebrities: do NOT with abusers. And to all stans of said celebrities: hold your fave(s) accountable and call them out when they do. 

Edited November 12 by Aston Martin

[Where are you now?]

Similarly, See: Flowers ---> River 

[Sannie]

Absolutely obsessed with the sheer audacity it takes Katy fans of all people to bring stuff like this up.

[alex_katycat]

3 minutes ago, Aston Martin said:

There was actually a 6ish year period of time between the song's release and taking it off platforms. Still too long of course; that man should've never been on the song, in her vicinity, or even out of a prison cell after what he did to multiple victims (including his own daughter apparently. Abusing children is a particular brand of evil, but doing it to your own is somehow even worse. I truly hope that man gets jumped every day for the rest of his miserable existence). 

 

I also hope Dr. Luke ends up in a cell as well. Sexually assaulting someone, bullying someone for their weight to the point that they develop an eating disorder that they get hospitalized for, getting physically violent to the point where the victim flees on foot to escape, and freezing royalty payments to your victim because they called out your abuse should land someone in prison for a long time. Just as Gaga disregarding R. Kelly's abuse by working with him is absolutely inexcusable, anyone who has disregarded Luke's abuse of Kesha to work with him is also inexcusable. Let's hope for the sake of all the victims that apologies are said and amends are made. Because that **** hurts when people turn a blind eye to work with/excuse your abuser or the abuse you have faced. 

excellent points made again, Justice should prevail and examine any case that involves those hideous and disgusting acts. 

Commitment to the Rule of Law is crucial, respecting alleged victims as well as handling alleged abusers with Rule of Law's no.1 rule, innocent until proven guilty. Very happy that R. Kelly got what he deserved, now officially a convicted by Justice felon  

[50thStateofMind]

you can just say I donʻt like Lady Gaga, instead of making up "golden rules"  

[alex_katycat]

1 minute ago, 50thStateofMind said:

you can just say I donʻt like Lady Gaga, instead of making up "golden rules"  

noted, I'll write in a more readable way from now on 

 

 

OT: Great answers and insights so far! 

[alex_katycat]

7 minutes ago, Sannie said:

Absolutely obsessed with the sheer audacity it takes Katy fans of all people to bring stuff like this up.

Hi Sannie. Even though I understand this classic ATRL drag !!1, as I'm sure you understand, the topics and comments I make, and the atrl discussions I'm involved, cannot/will not be limited to: 

a) exclusively katy perry related topics, just because I'm a stan. 

b) exclusively to artists that their fans presume they're more successful than my fave. 

 

I'm sure you understand that's very logical, as you are also free to comment on topics outside the GaGa world, as well as topics and discussions about tay, bey, adele etc. etc. topics, their chart performances, overperformances and underperformances etc. etc. 

 

OT: So happy to see people giving examples of other exemptions to this golden rule 

[swissman]

What went wrong is...

Pop music is fickle. You can't always predict what's going to be a hit or not.

 

In this song's case, the song simply isn't that great of a lead single imo. It's main attraction is that it's a return to form, but in returning to the memory of that kind of Gaga, we inevitably compare it to what she did prior and find it was done much better before.

 

I did hear it out in public at a store and it sounded catchier and more exciting than I found it to be from my handful of listens, so I listened to it on my own after thinking maybe I cracked the code but found after all it wasn't as amazing as I found it to be in the store.

 

Overall it's good, not bad but not great either. And returning to a sound you used ten years ago without developing it in any notable way is a bit lasklustre, especially when Blood Mary (a song in the same category) went viral a few years ago and is a much better song.

 

I know the album will have some bops though, and here's hoping a second single better exemplifies that as well as her artistic growth.

 

 

Edited November 12 by swissman

[Namiskine]

Not KitKats creating their own rules out of nowhere in order to discredit Gaga now 

[anastaciabby]

40 minutes ago, alex_katycat said:

Birthday has 630 million streams on Youtube and Spotify alone, and peaked at no.17. 

I get your point but I think there may be better examples.

using a song from 10 years ago as a drag?

y'all have no shame looking embarrassing, I wouldve just hid this OP

[Letters From Adi]

You should know better considering what followed Dark Horse 

[alex_katycat]

Just now, anastaciabby said:

using a song from 10 years ago as a drag?

y'all have no shame looking embarrassing, I wouldve just hid this OP

I was responding to a specific comment that used 'Birthday' as an example, I'm sure due to your rush you might have skipped reading it. 

[anastaciabby]

16 minutes ago, alex_katycat said:

excellent points made again, Justice should prevail and examine any case that involves those hideous and disgusting acts. 

Commitment to the Rule of Law is crucial, respecting alleged victims as well as handling alleged abusers with Rule of Law's no.1 rule, innocent until proven guilty. Very happy that R. Kelly got what he deserved, now officially a convicted by Justice felon  

this whole disgusting spiel so you can say luke wasn't convicted, you're gross af

[Colmillo]

Both DWAS and Disease are bigger than any Katy song released this year btw

 

 

[no_better]

Because cultural revolutions are not being made by following rules

[Shimenawa]

55 minutes ago, Where are you now? said:

Similarly, See: Flowers ---> River 

Wow Miley broke the golden rule first

[Mirkomonster]

Not katyrats talking about charts and streams 

[HausOfPunk]

 

 

[itshyolee]

1 hour ago, Aston Martin said:

I thought the golden rule of pop music was to not run back to Kesha's abuser in a desperate attempt to relive one's glory days  and Lady Gaga hasn't broken that rule at all.

Let's not do this because…

 

They're boat mates for a reason

[babyforlife]

7 hours ago, Where are you now? said:

Similarly, See: Flowers ---> River 

Dark Horse > Birthday

Vampire > Bad Idea Right?

Levitating > We're Good

Greedy > Exes

Senorita > Liar, Shameless, Cry For Me, etc 

 

What golden rule?

 

[Aston Martin]

7 hours ago, itshyolee said:

Let's not do this because…

 

They're boat mates for a reason

I've addressed this already: Gaga was wrong to have made a song with this man (especially with that subject matter) and performed it/platformed him multiple times. Neither I nor any Liddo am going to defend that. It was an awful thing to do, especially given that so many of his crimes were public knowledge at that point. She recognized that she was wrong to have done this, issued an apology (which was accepted by two of R. Kelly's victims), and she took the song off all platforms so that he can't make any more money off it. If you think her and Katy are boat mates, then you're also holding Katy to the same standard and expect her to take the same course of action, correct?

 

8 hours ago, alex_katycat said:

excellent points made again, Justice should prevail and examine any case that involves those hideous and disgusting acts. 

Commitment to the Rule of Law is crucial, respecting alleged victims as well as handling alleged abusers with Rule of Law's no.1 rule, innocent until proven guilty. Very happy that R. Kelly got what he deserved, now officially a convicted by Justice felon  

Are you insinuating that Kesha lied about Dr. Luke?

[itshyolee]

3 hours ago, Aston Martin said:

She recognized that she was wrong to have done this, issued an apology (which was accepted by two of R. Kelly's victims), and she took the song off all platforms so that he can't make any more money off it.

She only "apologized" and took action because of her campaign for ASIB, which was coincidentally around the time of the Surviving R. Kelly documentary being released. 
 

Gaga initially stood ten toes down behind that collaboration but didn't start fearing the decision to work with him until it was gonna potentially affect her career. The apology and wiping the song off of everything didn't seem sincere at all, as it was clear that she had no choice but to do so or it was off with her head.

 

Katy will forever be wack for working with Dr. Luke again, but Gaga is just as wack for putting on her performative action mask and backtracking to save her neck from the knife instead of being genuinely regretful.

Edited November 13 by itshyolee

[SimSim]

13 hours ago, alex_katycat said:

Birthday has 630 million streams on Youtube and Spotify alone, and peaked at no.17. 

I get your point but I think there may be better 

Well we were considering immediate success. As far as chart peaks, 17vs 27 isn't much significant. It's not like you are comparing a 1 (or even top 5) to a 27 peak. If anything, you should compare the points they collected at the debut on the chart. Also, to take in consideration streams as of today, you should've bring up this post in 2034.