aadrl1 Posted November 11 Posted November 11 (edited) With voter turnout almost hitting all time high (2nd highest in history), more than half went to Trump, it really shows that either, A. foreign policies and the Middle East situation are not top priorities for the general public, or B. the majority of voters overwhelmingly support Israel and the Republicans' stance Meanwhile, the Middle East was the largest source of internal dissent and arguments within the Democrats this whole election season. The demand for focus on foreign policies from the progressives is essentially what tore the party apart. It is evident that the debate over the Middle East on liberal websites and media overshadowed other middle/working class voter topics, such as Medicare, jobs, and the economy. Do you think the general public care about foreign policies? Will the same situation happen again 4 years later? Edited November 11 by aadrl1
Popular Post Virgos Groove Posted November 11 Popular Post Posted November 11 So you're saying Biden could've stopped the genocide and it wouldn't have had a negative impact on Kamala's numbers? Damn, that just makes him look worse. 14 2
GraceRandolph Posted November 11 Posted November 11 Except the Democratic base didn't show up. What do you think made them stay home?
Pheromosa Posted November 11 Posted November 11 Just now, GraceRandolph said: Except the Democratic base didn't show up. What do you think made them stay home? no way you're saying the genocide made them stay home 2
GraceRandolph Posted November 11 Posted November 11 Just now, Pheromosa said: no way you're saying the genocide made them stay home It was unpopular with young people and Arab American voters, and Kamala got millions less votes than Biden 2020. 3
Virgos Groove Posted November 11 Posted November 11 (edited) 6 minutes ago, Pheromosa said: no way you're saying the genocide made them stay home It definitely did in Michigan. Everywhere else, I think Liz Cheney, the pandering to a suburban centrist electorate and that View appearance where she said she wouldn't differ from Biden in any way had more of an impact. But the genocide certainly didn't excite voters either. Edited November 11 by Virgos Groove 7
SmittenCake Posted November 11 Posted November 11 5 minutes ago, Pheromosa said: no way you're saying the genocide made them stay home 9 2
Gladiator Posted November 11 Posted November 11 I think the majority of the country is more concerned with what is happening in America - more specifically, their perception of their own lives. 9 1 1
Bloodflowers. Posted November 11 Posted November 11 Arab Americans who have voted for Trump did so because he said he would stop all wars. So people do care about it, but Trump's anti-war policies remains to be seen how and if he can implement it. As far as I'm concern, it's all smoke and mirrors. And he won't stop war in Gaza unless he makes sure Israel will get some super beneficial deal with other countries in that region
sweetblindness Posted November 11 Posted November 11 I honestly think a vast majority of people just compared the disposable income they have now versus when Trump was in office and voted based off of that. I think this election showed me that I put way too much trust into the average American voter, and that most of the population either doesn't bother to do ANY research or is just willfully ignorant. I can't imagine many people, at least on the republican side, gave much thought to the issues going on in the Middle East. 3 1
aadrl1 Posted November 11 Author Posted November 11 28 minutes ago, Bloodflowers. said: Arab Americans who have voted for Trump did so because he said he would stop all wars. So people do care about it, but Trump's anti-war policies remains to be seen how and if he can implement it. As far as I'm concern, it's all smoke and mirrors. And he won't stop war in Gaza unless he makes sure Israel will get some super beneficial deal with other countries in that region But did he actually propose anti-war policies? During his presidency, he was the first president to deem Jerusalem as sole capital of Israel, later moved the US embassy there, embargoed on West Bank products, dissolved US based Palestine Liberation Org, and withdrew from UN Human Rights Council During his debate, claiming "Israel will be destroyed under Harris presidency" During campaign trails and in project 2025, supporting congress military aid to Israel, promising crackdown on pro-palestine university protests, propose Muslim ban and immigrant deportation on Hamas sympathizers, and most recently in October, told Netanyahu "do what you have to do." The only anti-war rhetoric was about rethinking US support for Ukraine
aadrl1 Posted November 11 Author Posted November 11 1 hour ago, Pheromosa said: no way you're saying the genocide made them stay home It's actually meaningless to say Harris got less votes than Biden, because ...votes went to Trump
byzantium Posted November 11 Posted November 11 So I guess the liberals on ATRL claiming that Harris lost because people not voting for her over Palestine are misinformed. Cool.
Katy V.! Posted November 11 Posted November 11 20 minutes ago, byzantium said: So I guess the liberals on ATRL claiming that Harris lost because people not voting for her over Palestine are misinformed. Cool. The takes in this thread made me realize that Republicans will stay in power for a long time
shimind Posted November 11 Posted November 11 3 hours ago, GraceRandolph said: Except the Democratic base didn't show up. What do you think made them stay home? Trump winning the popular vote simply means demorats themselves voted for trump. Stop making excuses
Into The Void Posted November 11 Posted November 11 Neither candidate was going to stop genocide from happening. And most Americans care more concerned with what's going on here than overseas.
Archetype Posted November 11 Posted November 11 (edited) 4 hours ago, Virgos Groove said: So you're saying Biden could've stopped the genocide and it wouldn't have had a negative impact on Kamala's numbers? Damn, that just makes him look worse. Unfortunately no, it means that an overwhelming majority of Americans genuinely do not want to hear about Palestine nor care what happens there. They just want American interests to be satisfied and not need to think about it, which means the existing status quo continues. They only care about which candidate is not associated with the price of groceries doubling or more over the past four years, as that is what impacts their bottom line the most. Edited November 11 by Archetype 1
Communion Posted November 11 Posted November 11 (edited) 2 hours ago, aadrl1 said: It's actually meaningless to say Harris got less votes than Biden, because ...votes went to Trump 45 minutes ago, shimind said: Trump winning the popular vote simply means demorats themselves voted for trump. Stop making excuses Dems will have gotten around 5.5M less votes from 2020 to 2024. Even if you assume every vote Republican gained from 2020 to 2024 was flipped from the Dems - and not from a 2020 non-voters... ...that means Dems lost 1.5M~ voters to no one or 3rd parties. Which means 25%~ of losses they had were due to non-voters/3rd parties. Edited November 11 by Communion
Princess Aurora Posted November 11 Posted November 11 Inflation was the main cause of her loss. That's it
XDNA Posted November 11 Posted November 11 (edited) Sadly, Americans are desensitized to conflict in the ME. The only time they care is when American troops are in danger. Edited November 11 by XDNA
Distantconstellation Posted November 11 Posted November 11 Shes closed the gap a lot between her and trump for the popular votes. Shes only about 3.7 million votes away and there's still a huge chunk of California votes that still need to come in. I still think he will win the popular vote but but 1.5 - 2 million votes if not less depending on California. What's true is that she will be getting less votes than Biden
Sannie Posted November 11 Posted November 11 Most don't even know what's going on in the ME. Unless something happens that directly impacts them, like their kids going to war, most Americans completely tune out the ME. Only leftists who fetishize Palestine think majority people care. in fact, the majority would sooner sacrifice the ME for cheaper eggs, and this election proved it.
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