discussion Voters also have to be held accountable.

[Virgos Groove]

So what's the plan then? Mass genocide of voters?

[Chemist]

10 minutes ago, Into The Void said:

But people are allowed to vote how they want we do live in a democracy right?

it's time to abolish democracy I fear

 

[Reginald]

1 hour ago, Distantconstellation said:

 

You're right!

 

I was talking with one of my trans friends yesterday, and she said she got into a heated discussion with her bestie (who is cisgender female). After months of my friend explaining Trump's anti-lgbt rhetoric, her bestie finally researched project 2025 herself, and felt regretful. She had voted for him because she didn't believe what she was being told, before. This cisgender friend is also currently pregnant, at a time when headlines are talking about women dying from pregnancy complications because doctors are afraid to offer them assistance, due to potential abortion-related lawsuits. I just don't understand how people can bury their heads in the sand and vote blindly.

 

This country has a MASSIVE ignorance problem. 

 

Edited November 10 by Reginald

[VOSS]

They will be punished severely if the Trump tariffs go into effect.

[Onyxmage]

25 minutes ago, Into The Void said:

But people are allowed to vote how they want we do live in a democracy right?

of course they are but that doesnt shield them from any criticism especially when they side with a man that says immigrants are poisoning the blood of this country and calls anyone who doesnt support him VERMIN. We do live in a democracy right?

[Smarticle]

The red wave got yall scrambling

[Bloo]

34 minutes ago, Reginald said:

You're right!

 

I was talking with one of my trans friends yesterday, and she said she got into a heated discussion with her bestie (who is cisgender female). After months of my friend explaining Trump's anti-lgbt rhetoric, her bestie finally researched project 2025 herself, and felt regretful. She had voted for him because she didn't believe what she was being told, before. This cisgender friend is also currently pregnant, at a time when headlines are talking about women dying from pregnancy complications because doctors are afraid to offer them assistance, due to potential abortion-related lawsuits. I just don't understand how people can bury their heads in the sand and vote blindly.

 

This country has a MASSIVE ignorance problem. 

 

There is a reason for that. The media is not setup in a way to make sure we have an informed voting population. Do you remember the time when Rachel Maddow spent each night talking about conspiracy theories for how Trump rented out a room in Moscow that Obama had been in and he hired a Russian prostitute to pee on him? I do! The media is not designed to educate voters, it is defined to drive up viewership and engagement. This profit-driven design of media means it is not interested in educating us.

 

This is not just true for political coverage. Think to how channels like Animal Planet or the History Channel transitioned away from having high-quality educational material to conspiratorial disinformation (e.g., Mermaids: The Body Found or any of the documentaries about how Aliens built the pyramids). The entire media diet that is available for people to consume content on current events, political happenings, etc. is not setup for people to check in and get high-quality information in a reasonable amount of time. People have lives, children, jobs, and hobbies to worry about. It is unfair to expect voters to be completely dialed into politics and know how to cut through the nonsense to get to the truth of what's happening when everything out there is meant to sensationalize, distract, and disinform the viewer. Unearthing the truth in a sea of lies is a full-time job. Most do not have the time and bandwidth to do that.

 

So, again, it is not worth shaming and attacking regular people for the results of a failed system. In this case, the media has failed our populations. This includes social media, but the challenges there are very different but the obsession with profit is the same root issue.

[brraap]

I mean he did say y'all will never have to vote again so there's that 

 

[ClashAndBurn]

These histrionics are exactly why no one takes liberals seriously anymore. Your own elected officials went from WE NEED TO SAVE OUR DEMOCRACY to  "We need to become good-faith partners with the president-elect and make sure his administration is as successful as possible!  " at the drop of a hat

 

 

[Letters From Adi]

Blaming the people instead of your leaders to fix the mess isn't a good strategy to begin with

It could potentially cause reverse polarisation and even more swing voters could flip next time

[Novacaine]

4 hours ago, Shame♥ said:

I've yet to see anyone say they regret their Trump 2024 vote.

I overheard a straight white dude finance bro at my office talking to a colleague saying he regrets voting for Trump after seeing how upset everyone was the next day. He said he should have just sat this election out (which is still voting for Trump). 

Edited November 11 by Novacaine

[modeblock]

1 hour ago, ClashAndBurn said:

These histrionics are exactly why no one takes liberals seriously anymore. Your own elected officials went from WE NEED TO SAVE OUR DEMOCRACY to  "We need to become good-faith partners with the president-elect and make sure his administration is as successful as possible!  " at the drop of a hat

 

 

fake disgusting pieces of **** - their lack of conviction when it comes to actual reality and not some hypothetical doomsday is extremely telling. even though I voted for her, I am glad the dems LOST, it's the only chance we have of rebuilding our coalition from the left

[ClashAndBurn]

1 hour ago, Letters From Adi said:

Blaming the people instead of your leaders to fix the mess isn't a good strategy to begin with

It could potentially cause reverse polarisation and even more swing voters could flip next time

Blaming people is fair game. Especially when it comes to the Democratic Primary electorate, who always vote so they can feel good about themselves and their party and have always picked the wrong candidate in every election I've participated in. Biden winning because of a fluke and a freak incident of historical proportions did not mean "WOOO! Hollow neoliberalism is BACK baby!" like so many Blue MAGAts wanted to believe. They should have been more humble, and done some introspection.

 

Something like "why did we only just barely win by 43,000 votes when nearly a million Americans were killed by Trump's incompetence?" would have been sufficed. But they saw the popular vote totals and ran with that as proof people were enthusiastic anbout what they were selling even though it's an absolutely irrelevant metric.

 

What people want from Democrats is an acknowledgement that their party as a whole is extremely broken, rotten, and corrupt to the core. The only one who ever came close to that kind of messaging was Bernie, and that's why he was so popular. Because the Democrats have fully morphed into the party of Obama, who actually drove the party into the ground and made it unelectable outside of whenever he was on the ballot himself.

 

The fact that Obamacare itself had zero popularity until Republicans were in a position to take it completely away and leave us with nothing should be enough proof.

[Marianah Adkins]

I mean yea but in a democracy, the electorate is king. You cant shame them and expect them to vote for you next time around, you have to provide a legit alternative vision.

The problem with the DNC is that they have offered nothing but Not Trump. I truly believe that the reason why Trump's bullshit is so normalized is because the Dems keep bringing him up at every chance. They shouldve shut him down in the last 4y but y'know they need to deflect to him when they get called out for their shitty governing so…