base talk Why Beyonce's Cowboy Carter WON'T win AOTY

[Rv1709]

 

 

[masochizm]

Who the f cares? 4 writers and Taylor's album is still cringe from tip to toe, it produced some of the corniest lyrics of the century. 

 

we declared charlie puth should be a bigger artist 

 

 

[Draper.]

They changed the rules and you need to have contributed on 20% of the album to get the nomination, but of course a Little Monster from Twitter would use the rules from 2011.

Edited November 10 by Draper.

[Navyofbadgals]

I mean there's more than one cover, there's samples. Anyone actually outraged or surprised by this shouldn't be speaking on the quality of music cause clearly they don't know enough

[dumbsparce]

+ everyone can see right through the guilt tripping and the supposed "purpose" all stemming from her gigantic ego after years of being fed hyperbolic praises

[B-Luke]

And all these people contributed masterfully and with mutual respect for each other to a 12/10 album. Now what.

[GraceRandolph]

Just now, Draper. said:

They changed the rules and you need to have contributed at on 20% of the album to get the nomination, but of course a Little Monster from Twitter would use the rules from 2011.

What does this have to do with anything? Not saying this should disqualify an album, but CC just isn't that great.

 

1 minute ago, Navyofbadgals said:

I mean there's more than one cover, there's samples. Anyone actually outraged or surprised by this shouldn't be speaking on the quality of music cause clearly they don't know enough

Samples can completely change a song, not sure why you consider it lesser than writing a song from scratch.

[Aramis]

Because she's a black woman. Next question.

Edited November 10 by Aramis

[Rv1709]

2 minutes ago, Draper. said:

They changed the rules and you need to have contributed on 20% of the album to get the nomination, but of course a Little Monster from Twitter would use the rules from 2011.

The cost of manufacturing 51 Grammy trophies isn't conducive 

[Arthoe]

It's 2024 and we're still having a discussion about samples.

 

Trump winning really made y'all run back to 2016'ed stan twitter arguments. 

[Burn]

"Songwritters"

 

Maybe whoever wrote that should get someone to write for them.

[Mikeymoonshine]

She doesn't deserve it this time so maybe that means she will finally get it since she's deserved to win and lost at least twice. 

 

I like CC I just don't think it's AOTY like Renne and Lemonade were for me.

Edited November 10 by Mikeymoonshine

[Draper.]

 

15 minutes ago, Rv1709 said:

The cost of manufacturing 51 Grammy trophies isn't conducive 

Are you dumb? Literally just told you they are not in for the nomination. The Tortured Poets Department has more people on its nomination than Cowboy Carter.

Edited November 10 by Draper.

[ReneighIsHere]

Maybe taylor could use some new writers, she's been dropping the same album for 4 years now. But of course her ego (and her greediness) won't allow her to work with different people. She's probably already mad she has to split the royalties with Jack Antonoff 

Edited November 10 by ReneighIsHere

[Booyah]

I think most of them are from the samples

[Mr.X]

From the Grammys own website, you can see that CC has pretty much equal numbers of nominated writers/producers/Engeneers as Sabrinas or Taylor's album:

 

2025 GRAMMYs: See The OFFICIAL Full Nominations List

Album Of The Year

Award to Artist(s) and to Featured Artist(s), Songwriter(s) of new material, Producer(s), Recording Engineer(s), Mixer(s) and Mastering Engineer(s) credited with 20% or more playing time of the album.)

 

New Blue Sun – André 3000

André 3000 & Carlos Niño, producers; André 3000, Carlos Niño & Ken Oriole, engineers/mixers; André 3000, Surya Botofasina, Nate Mercereau & Carlos Niño, songwriters; Andy Kravitz, mastering engineer

 

COWBOY CARTER – Beyoncé

Beyoncé, Terius "The-Dream" Gesteelde-Diamant & Dave Hamelin, producers; Matheus Braz, Brandon Harding, Hotae Alexander Jang, Dani Pampuri & Stuart White, engineers/mixers; Ryan Beatty, Beyoncé, Camaron Ochs, Terius "The-Dream" Gesteelde-Diamant, Dave Hamelin, S. Carter & Raphael Saadiq, songwriters; Colin Leonard, mastering engineer

 

Short n' Sweet – Sabrina Carpenter

Jack Antonoff, Julian Bunetta, Ian Kirkpatrick & John Ryan, producers; Bryce Bordone, Julian Bunetta, Serban Ghenea, Jeff Gunnell, Oli Jacobs, Manny Marroquin, John Ryan & Laura Sisk, engineers/mixers; Amy Allen, Jack Antonoff, Julian Bunetta, Sabrina Carpenter, Ian Kirkpatrick, Julia Michaels & John Ryan, songwriters; Nathan Dantzler & Ruairi O'Flaherty, mastering engineers

 

BRAT – Charli xcx

Charli xcx, Cirkut & A. G. Cook, producers; A. G. Cook, Tom Norris & Geoff Swan, engineers/mixers; Charlotte Aitchison, Henry Walter, Alexander Guy Cook, Finn Keane & Jonathan Christopher Shave, songwriters; Idania Valencia, mastering engineer

 

Djesse Vol. 4 – Jacob Collier

Jacob Collier, producer; Ben Bloomberg, Jacob Collier & Paul Pouwer, engineers/mixers; Jacob Collier, songwriter; Chris Allgood & Emily Lazar, mastering engineers

 

HIT ME HARD AND SOFT – Billie Eilish

FINNEAS, producer; Thom Beemer, Jon Castelli, Billie Eilish, Aron Forbes, Brad Lauchert, FINNEAS & Chaz Sexton, engineers/mixers; Billie Eilish O'Connell & Finneas O'Connell, songwriters; Dale Becker, mastering engineer

 

Chappell Roan The Rise And Fall Of A Midwest Princess – Chappell Roan

Daniel Nigro, producer; Mitch McCarthy & Daniel Nigro, engineers/mixers; Daniel Nigro & Kayleigh Rose Amstutz, songwriters; Randy Merrill, mastering engineer

 

THE TORTURED POETS DEPARTMENT – Taylor Swift

Jack Antonoff, Aaron Dessner & Taylor Swift, producers; Zem Audu, Bella Blasko, Bryce Bordone, Serban Ghenea, David Hart, Mikey Freedom Hart, Sean Hutchinson, Oli Jacobs, Jonathan Low, Michael Riddleberger, Christopher Rowe, Laura Sisk & Evan Smith, engineers/mixers; Jack Antonoff, Aaron Dessner & Taylor Swift, songwriters; Randy Merrill, mastering engineer

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[abelfenty]

Why do stans think less songwriters = better music? Cowboy Carter could've had 5000 writers and Tortured Poets could've been completely self-written and yet the former would still be the superior album 

Edited November 10 by abelfenty

[Jon Snow]

6 minutes ago, Mr.X said:

From the Grammys own website, you can see that CC has pretty much equal numbers of nominated writers/producers/Engeneers as Sabrinas or Taylor's album:

 

it has less

 

[Mr.X]

2 minutes ago, Jon Snow said:

it has less

 

I said 'pretty much' hun but you know that. Still, it shows how much this debate is just stupid

[Jon Snow]

either she steals credits or has too much people credited. just make up your minds

[Kiss It Better]

wrong, first off this is ALBUM OF THE YEAR and not SONG OF THE YEAR (which is hard to get, not everybody has that to their credits)

AOTY doesn't just reward the artists and songwriters but

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Award to Artist(s) and to Featured Artist(s), Songwriter(s) of new material, Producer(s), Recording Engineer(s), Mixer(s) and Mastering Engineer(s) credited with 20% or more playing time of the album.)

 

and per Grammy website, here the number of people who would be awarded if the album wins AOTY:

The Rise and Fall of a Midwest Princess: 4 (includes 2 songwriters)

Djesse Vol. 4: 5 (includes 1 songwriter)

New Blue Sun: 6 (includes 4 songwriters)

HIT ME HARD AND SOFT: 8 (includes 2 songwriters)

BRAT: 10 (includes 5 songwriters)

Cowboy Carter: 13 (includes 7 songwriters)

Short n Sweet: 15 (includes 7 songwriters)

The Tortured Poets Department: 17 (includes 3 songwriters)

[BadHabits]

Music is all about collaboration. A lot of samples and music can be better with different types of people involved.

[Comedor]

Y'all need new material damn this is boring, I was actually expecting a fun thread.

[thirdward]

How does Andre's instrumental album have songwriters?  

[djcalpal]

CC is basically a compilation album at this point. If her team didn't force songwriters to give up 50% of their publishing to her (despite her having no involvement in the writing process) in order to be included on her projects, she would be ineligible. She's a brilliant singer and entertainer, but compared to some of the actual songwriters she's up against, she doesn't deserve this specific accolade.