discussion Trump - "I will support Israel's right to win its war"

[Letemtalk]

41 minutes ago, Adir said:

All of these examples that you've shared had a strong intent for genocide, beyond any reasonable doubt. Numbers alone can't be used as a proof for a genocide.
There's a difference between causalities as a result of a conflict to an actual genocide intent where people are massacred just for their ethnicity.  
Israel had no intent to execute a genocide and the war only started because of Hamas attack on October 7th 2023.
So Hamas attacked and took Israeli as hostages and Israel decided that they will completely eradicate Hamas threat in it's south border and will bring back the Israeli hostages.
 

Israeli politicians have talked about their intent for more than a year now.

There must be hundreds of examples.

 

"We are fighting against human animals" and "I have released all the restraints"
-- Yoav Gallant

 

"Invest that energy in one thing," she wrote. "Erasing all of Gaza from the face of the earth."
-- Distel Atbaryan (Likud)

 

Dropping a "nuclear bomb" on the Gaza Strip is "an option."
-- Heritage Minister Amichai Eliyahu

 

Edit: If people want more examples, you'd need to find someone who can translate Hebrew to English.

Better yet, follow @ireallyhateyou on twitter.

[Uncatena]

5 minutes ago, Letemtalk said:

Israeli politicians have talked about their intent for more than a year now.

There must be hundreds of examples.

 

"We are fighting against human animals" and "I have released all the restraints"
-- Yoav Gallant

 

"Invest that energy in one thing," she wrote. "Erasing all of Gaza from the face of the earth."
-- Distel Atbaryan (Likud)

 

Dropping a "nuclear bomb" on the Gaza Strip is "an option."
-- Heritage Minister Amichai Eliyahu

and now openly saying that Palestinians from Gaza are not to return to their homes. hmmm I wonder what the reason could be... 

[Adir]

14 minutes ago, Letemtalk said:

Israeli politicians have talked about their intent for more than a year now.

There must be hundreds of examples.

 

"We are fighting against human animals" and "I have released all the restraints"
-- Yoav Gallant

 

"Invest that energy in one thing," she wrote. "Erasing all of Gaza from the face of the earth."
-- Distel Atbaryan (Likud)

 

Dropping a "nuclear bomb" on the Gaza Strip is "an option."
-- Heritage Minister Amichai Eliyahu

Yoav Gallant has made it clear he was talking about the Hamas terrorists.
Galit Distel said these things after she was emotional from watching the footage of the massacred by Hamas on October 7th

Not only she apologised, Netanyahu decided to fire her and close her office a short time after it.
As for Amichai Eliyahu, Putin also said he considerd to drop a nuclear bomb on Ukraine, I didn't see anyone claiming that this is his intent to genocide the Ukrainian people.

Also it's worth to mention, that from the 3 people you've mentioned, only Yoav Galant, which was the minister of security up until a few says ago actually matters.
Galit and Amichai are small political figures with 0 power and influence and whatever they may say or think can not stand as genocidal intent.
Do you have any other examples of intent?

Edited November 8 by Adir

[Letemtalk]

4 minutes ago, Adir said:

Yoav Gallant has made it clear he was talking about the Hamas terrorists.

Of course he says that now, but most of Israel considers all Gaza to be Hamas, and Yoav Gallant is defence minister (or he was until a few days ago), so when the defence minister says "I have released all the restraints", solders take that as an instruction. There is a genocide and it's clearly deliberate.

[Radical Pessimism]

Oh, a member who usually writes long essays cannot be found in this thread. I wonder why?

 

[TouchinFree]

Oh ok for a minute i thought Israel made the wrong decision choosing this puppet instead of the other American puppet. Now i see why. This one puppet wont just give money. 

 

Israel always moving those strings right. A puppet master knows its puppets the most, afterall.

[Adir]

3 minutes ago, Letemtalk said:

Of course he says that now, but most of Israel considers all Gaza to be Hamas, and Yoav Gallant is defence minister (or he was until a few days ago), so when the defence minister says "I have released all the restraints", solders take that as an instruction. There is a genocide and it's clearly deliberate.

Yoav Galant said this on October 9th 2023
 

During that time only Hamas targets were bombed by air strike. Also, he clarified what he meant in December 2023 after South Africa tried to use it against Israel, so it's not "now".
In addition, in all of his other posts he mentions Hamas as the targets, from October 7th until now.

 

So what you're trying to do here is to take a post where he didn't say specifically 'Hamas', but used the term "Human Monsters" and try to make it look like he was referring all the Palestinians.
This is clearly a try hard attempt to 'force' an intent where it's not actually there.

[Letemtalk]

16 minutes ago, Adir said:

Yoav Galant said this on October 9th 2023
 

During that time only Hamas targets were bombed by air strike. Also, he clarified what he meant in December 2023 after South Africa tried to use it against Israel, so it's not "now".
In addition, in all of his other posts he mentions Hamas as the targets, from October 7th until now.

 

So what you're trying to do here is to take a post where he didn't say specifically 'Hamas', but used the term "Human Monsters" and try to make it look like he was referring all the Palestinians.
This is clearly a try hard attempt to 'force' an intent where it's not actually there.

He ordered a "complete siege" of the Gaza Strip.

Not just Hamas, but the Gaza strip, home to more than 2 million civilians.

 

"I have ordered a complete siege on the Gaza Strip. There will be no electricity, no food, no fuel, everything is closed,"

 

Starvation of the civilian population as a method of warfare is a war crime. People like to pretend Galant is some sort of moderate, but he is a war criminal.

[WildHeart]

2 hours ago, Adir said:

Please enlighten me and educate me.
What is the definition of genocide and what is the actual proof that Israel is committing a genocide against the Palestinians people? 
I will wait for you sources and knowledge as it seems you're from Germany and your country definitely knows one thing or two about an actual genocide. 
You probably heard this one before, but I guess Israel really sucks in genocide because the Palestinians population in Gaza just keeps growing through the years:

No wonder the whole world hated you and hates you. The world will remember you as genocidal freaks. Y'all deserve it 

[Adir]

1 minute ago, WildHeart said:

No wonder the whole world hated you and hates you. The world will remember you as genocidal freaks. Y'all deserve it 

Wow, so cool and unique of you to hate Israel sis 
You clearly didn't even consider reading what I've shared, not to mention maybe argue with it.
I guess it's hard when someone is bursting your bubble with actual facts.

[WildHeart]

5 minutes ago, Adir said:

Wow, so cool and unique of you to hate Israel sis

Not unique, it is the common behaviour in rest of the world. Leave your small bubble (would like to say safe one but Iran proved that wrong anyway) for a bit and you will see. 

Edited November 8 by WildHeart

[Adir]

1 minute ago, WildHeart said:

Not unique, it is the common behaviour in rest of the world. Leave your small bubble (would like to say safe one but Iran proved that wrong anyway) for a bit and you will see. 

I know it seems common, this is why you jumped on this trend I guess.
When I ask for sources and evidence from people who are loudly in this forum against Israel and claim is committing a genocide - they all disappear when I counter their claim with facts.
If you want to prove me otherwise, I'm here waiting for my to burst my (not so safe because of Iran) bubble.

I must say it is disturbing to see people from western countries which Israel shares values with rooting for Iran and other non-western regimes just because they oppose Israel.

[punisher]

21 minutes ago, Adir said:

I know it seems common, this is why you jumped on this trend I guess.
When I ask for sources and evidence from people who are loudly in this forum against Israel and claim is committing a genocide - they all disappear when I counter their claim with facts.
If you want to prove me otherwise, I'm here waiting for my to burst my (not so safe because of Iran) bubble.

I must say it is disturbing to see people from western countries which Israel shares values with rooting for Iran and other non-western regimes just because they oppose Israel.

your victim-complex is insane

[WildHeart]

1 hour ago, Adir said:

they all disappear when I counter their claim with facts.

The facts in the question = 12k dead children were hamas terrorists!!! 

Can't blame them for not bothering with this ****

 

1 hour ago, Adir said:

western countries which Israel shares values with

maybe few decades ago. We don't support or stand with genocide anymore 

 

[Lovesong]

2 hours ago, Radical Pessimism said:

Oh, a member who usually writes long essays cannot be found in this thread. I wonder why?

 

At Popjustice, talking with higher human capital of our fellow forum homosexuals about such things as:

 

Where to find twink party in Ibiza without songs from "Joanne".

How the girl who invented Apple dance is fatphobic.

And how to vote Liberal Democrat to own Nigel Farage and not accidentally elect Conservatives. 

[Thesedays]

21 hours ago, Adir said:

Do you read what you write or do you write it consciously to spread fake news and propoganda? 
Hamas reported only 43k dead by October 29th 2024 - https://www.ochaopt.org/content/reported-impact-snapshot-gaza-strip-29-october-2024

Idgaf what your nazi ass say but the "180k dead" comes from The Lancet, the world's most respected peer-reviewed medical journal. The exact number can't be known since the people you support bombed every health worker and hospital in Gaza. Please, never reply to me again and go burn in hell. 

[WokeEqualist]

But I was told Kamala was evil and Trump would free Palestine

[Adir]

16 minutes ago, Thesedays said:

Idgaf what your nazi ass say but the "180k dead" comes from The Lancet, the world's most respected peer-reviewed medical journal. The exact number can't be known since the people you support bombed every health worker and hospital in Gaza. Please, never reply to me again and go burn in hell. 

I honestly couldn't care less about you, but I will always stick to facts and truth.

Calling me Nazi because I'm sharing a reality that doesn't fit your narrative is really insane. Go get help sis.

As for 'The Lancet' - I guess you're referring to this article?

https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(24)01169-3/fulltext
It says that currently they may be up to 10k more people underneath bombed buildings, but it's an assumption.

186k deaths are counted if after/during the war there will be an epidemic which may cause indirect deaths.

This a highly speculative article, based on many assumptions and past statistics.   
I guess you never read the article or even cared, you just saw this title in Al-Jazerra which is totally twisting the original article words and assumed you're educated.

https://www.aljazeera.com/amp/news/2024/7/8/gaza-toll-could-exceed-186000-lancet-study-says

[Thesedays]

13 minutes ago, Adir said:

I honestly couldn't care less about you, but I will always stick to facts and truth.

Calling me Nazi because I'm sharing a reality that doesn't fit your narrative is really insane. Go get help sis.

As for 'The Lancet' - I guess you're referring to this article?

https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(24)01169-3/fulltext
It says that currently they may be up to 10k more people underneath bombed buildings, but it's an assumption.

186k deaths are counted if after/during the war there will be an epidemic which may cause indirect deaths.

This a highly speculative article, based on many assumptions and past statistics.   
I guess you never read the article or even cared, you just saw this title in Al-Jazerra which is totally twisting the original article words and assumed you're educated.

https://www.aljazeera.com/amp/news/2024/7/8/gaza-toll-could-exceed-186000-lancet-study-says

A nazi think I'll read their essay lmao

[Vegvisir]

13 minutes ago, Adir said:

I honestly couldn't care less about you, but I will always stick to facts and truth.

Calling me Nazi because I'm sharing a reality that doesn't fit your narrative is really insane. Go get help sis.

As for 'The Lancet' - I guess you're referring to this article?

https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(24)01169-3/fulltext
It says that currently they may be up to 10k more people underneath bombed buildings, but it's an assumption.

186k deaths are counted if after/during the war there will be an epidemic which may cause indirect deaths.

This a highly speculative article, based on many assumptions and past statistics.   
I guess you never read the article or even cared, you just saw this title in Al-Jazerra which is totally twisting the original article words and assumed you're educated.

https://www.aljazeera.com/amp/news/2024/7/8/gaza-toll-could-exceed-186000-lancet-study-says

I pray that when the karmic weight of the pain and suffering you excused and denied comes back to you, that you are strong enough to endure the shock and shame of it all.

[Adir]

3 minutes ago, Thesedays said:

A nazi think I'll read their essay lmao

You already showed that reading is not your strongest skill.

[Adir]

2 minutes ago, Vegvisir said:

I pray that when the karmic weight of the pain and suffering you excused and denied comes back to you, that you are strong enough to endure the shock and shame of it all.

Did I deny any pain or suffering? I haven't and I won't.

I'm fully aware that many innocent civilians lost their lives in this conflict and it breaks my heart.

However, I would not let others demonize Israel and spread lies and misinformation just because they think their lies won't be exposed.

 

[Vegvisir]

2 minutes ago, Adir said:

Did I deny any pain or suffering? I haven't and I won't.

I'm fully aware that many innocent civilians lost their lives in this conflict and it breaks my heart.

However, I would not let others demonize Israel and spread lies and misinformation just because they think their lies won't be exposed.

 

The only one spreading lies and misinformation is you.

 

How stupid to root your identity into a genocidal regime who has spent the past 80 years convincing you and jews all over the world that israel = jewishness.

 

You have allowed a false nation to hijack your culture, your identity and your ethnicity to use as a human shield.

 

Israel puts jews in danger the world over but cementing their war crimes in jewishness. And you perpetuate this by puppeting their lies.

 

It is always darkest before the dawn, and the sun will rise again once more. I pray you will not be another victim to the zionist death machine when that new day comes.

[Afterglow]

On 11/6/2024 at 9:55 AM, Apolonio ₃₄ said:

Welp. It's deplorable but the ones that were against Kamala are to part blame for this travesty. Now we have this monstrosity about to commit his deeds in the name of Israel. It's so sad. 

End thead right here tbh. 

 

No way around it, yall contributed directly to this future and him winning.

 

And I called it in multiple threads 

[Adir]

6 minutes ago, Vegvisir said:

The only one spreading lies and misinformation is you.

 

How stupid to root your identity into a genocidal regime who has spent the past 80 years convincing you and jews all over the world that israel = jewishness.

 

You have allowed a false nation to hijack your culture, your identity and your ethnicity to use as a human shield.

 

Israel puts jews in danger the world over but cementing their war crimes in jewishness. And you perpetuate this by puppeting their lies.

 

It is always darkest before the dawn, and the sun will rise again once more. I pray you will not be another victim to the zionist death machine when that new day comes.

Ok, thank you for your prayers.

All the facts I've mentioned in this thread were quoted from independent non-Israeli sources.

You can argue that my personal opinion might be false, but I never said anything that can be considered a lie, especially not when I'm backing everything with sources (sometimes multiple)

I can see that you're deeply antisemite so the things you say are coming out from a very rooted hatred towards Jews.

I also pray for you to find peace with all the raging hate you have in you.

good luck babe

Edited November 8 by Adir