discussion Trump - "I will support Israel's right to win its war"

[Thesedays]

One reason Kamala never had the support of people concerned with Gaza is that it was very clear her support base was made up of people who couldn't care less about Gaza unless they could use it for partisan purposes. That, coupled with the fact she clearly did not want their vote and is part of the admin who started the job Trump will "finish," makes her a very unattractive candidate. I have a very hard time anyone who refused to vote due to her ironclad support for Israel regrets it. And this topic, full of her supporters frothing at the mouth under the possibility of "punishing" those who legit care about this issue because the genocidaire they stanned was not elected, is a great example of why.

 

Do we think Trump is gonna be any better for this conflict? Of course we don't. Do we think he will be much worse? No. Because he's a better person? No, just because it's logistically be much worse than what's currently going on. 

Edited November 7 by Thesedays

[Embustera]

At least he's not a sheep in wolf's clothing.

[Adir]

3 hours ago, Thesedays said:

How so? Care to explain?

 

As of right now, Gaza is currently ethnically cleansed and completely leveled while 200k people are dead. Meanwhile, the genocide is moving further along to the whole of Palestine. Lebanon and Iran are being bombed.

 

Considering that, as of a Biden presidency, Palestine is on its way to be completely decimated, can you give me a palpable of example of what you think could be made worse? 

 

Do you read what you write or do you write it consciously to spread fake news and propoganda? 
Hamas reported only 43k dead by October 29th 2024 - https://www.ochaopt.org/content/reported-impact-snapshot-gaza-strip-29-october-2024
Hamas is known by randomly throwing numbers and we aren't talking about the civilian to combatant ratio, but that's a topic for another discussion, but even them are not spreading an awful lie like 200k dead people.
Lebanon is not bombed, Hezbollah targets are. Iraq is defiantly not bombed, the pro-Iranian malicias are. Both of them are bombed as the IDF fights back and respond to their attack which came first.

Palestine will not be completely decimated because Palestine is not just Gaza. There are Palestinians living in the west bank and east Jerusalem, and even though there are some IDF activity (especially with Hamas combatants who are operating in the west bank) - it's not bombed and therefore won't be 'decimated'.

I understand that fact checking and diving deep into a subject that you learned of from tiktok videos is a hard task, but I highly recommend it. Maybe it will ease your mind from the horror movie you created to yourself inside it.
 

Edited November 7 by Adir

[Bloo]

1 hour ago, Adir said:

Do you read what you write or do you write it consciously to spread fake news and propoganda? 
Hamas reported only 43k dead by October 29th 2024 - https://www.ochaopt.org/content/reported-impact-snapshot-gaza-strip-29-october-2024

Ummm... per your own source these numbers are not from Hamas:

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Casualty numbers have been provided by the Ministry of Health (MoH) and the Israeli authorities

I do agree, we shouldn't trust the 43k death number because it's been stuck at that number since, I believe, March or April of this year.

[Adir]

13 minutes ago, Bloo said:

Ummm... per your own source these numbers are not from Hamas:

I do agree, we shouldn't trust the 43k death number because it's been stuck at that number since, I believe, March or April of this year.

Gaza ministry of health is managed by Hamas so these are Hamas reporting.
The Israeli authorities reported the Israeli casualties as they appear in the source as well.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gaza_Health_Ministry

I circled it for you.



Please don't try to clock me on something that you have absolutely 0 knowledge about 

The only reason that these numbers are "stuck" in your mind since April is because of people who blew up these numbers like you do in this thread.
In April, Gaza MOH reported 33k:
https://reliefweb.int/report/occupied-palestinian-territory/journalist-casualties-israel-gaza-war-april-15-2024

Edited November 7 by Adir

[X~MoviePoP]

"We believe trump is the most pro Israeli president ever"

 

Is what i just read on the news coming from israels government. 

 

 

Yall....

[Vixen Eyes]

On 11/6/2024 at 12:59 PM, penguintim said:

All the while reaffirming her support for Israel while it commits genocide, and her and Biden sending even more $$$ and weapons to them to keep doing atrocities.

I guarantee you that nobody criticizing Kamala for her stance on Gaza voted for Trump.

If these voters were so important, then Kamala should have tried winning them over by not being a genocidal ghoul.

Do you think Trump is any less of a genocidal ghoul then?

[Vixen Eyes]

On 11/6/2024 at 12:59 PM, penguintim said:

All the while reaffirming her support for Israel while it commits genocide, and her and Biden sending even more $$$ and weapons to them to keep doing atrocities.

I guarantee you that nobody criticizing Kamala for her stance on Gaza voted for Trump.

If these voters were so important, then Kamala should have tried winning them over by not being a genocidal ghoul.

Do you think Trump is any less of a genocidal ghoul then?

[Vixen Eyes]

On 11/6/2024 at 12:59 PM, penguintim said:

All the while reaffirming her support for Israel while it commits genocide, and her and Biden sending even more $$$ and weapons to them to keep doing atrocities.

I guarantee you that nobody criticizing Kamala for her stance on Gaza voted for Trump.

If these voters were so important, then Kamala should have tried winning them over by not being a genocidal ghoul.

Do you think Trump is any less of a genocidal ghoul then?

[Sharamee6]

On 11/6/2024 at 10:16 PM, X~MoviePoP said:

And how the hell do you know this?

 

Do you even know who trump is. He would do a muslim ban, you think he wont arrest those that support gaza?

Yes I do. He won't do anything. He'll bring peace and boost trade in the ME. 

[ClashAndBurn]

2 hours ago, Adir said:

Do you read what you write or do you write it consciously to spread fake news and propoganda? 
Hamas reported only 43k dead by October 29th 2024 - https://www.ochaopt.org/content/reported-impact-snapshot-gaza-strip-29-october-2024
Hamas is known by randomly throwing numbers and we aren't talking about the civilian to combatant ratio, but that's a topic for another discussion, but even them are not spreading an awful lie like 200k dead people.
Lebanon is not bombed, Hezbollah targets are. Iraq is defiantly not bombed, the pro-Iranian malicias are. Both of them are bombed as the IDF fights back and respond to their attack which came first.

Palestine will not be completely decimated because Palestine is not just Gaza. There are Palestinians living in the west bank and east Jerusalem, and even though there are some IDF activity (especially with Hamas combatants who are operating in the west bank) - it's not bombed and therefore won't be 'decimated'.

I understand that fact checking and diving deep into a subject that you learned of from tiktok videos is a hard task, but I highly recommend it. Maybe it will ease your mind from the horror movie you created to yourself inside it.
 

The Ministry of Health in Gaza has been razed to the ground and hasn't been able to update casualty figures for the better part of a year now.

[Adir]

1 minute ago, ClashAndBurn said:

The Ministry of Health in Gaza has been razed to the ground and hasn't been able to update casualty figures for the better part of a year now.

So you're suggesting someone else is reporting the Palestinians casualties on the behalf of the Gaza MOH?
And what are you basing your claim of that 'The Ministry of Health in Gaza has been razed to the ground'? 
In September 2024 they actually improved their methods:
https://reliefweb.int/report/occupied-palestinian-territory/tracking-gazas-war-death-toll-ministry-health-improves-accuracy-latest-casualty-report

[Breathe On Moi]

9 hours ago, Rep2000 said:

why people call you useful idiots.

[awesomepossum]

7 hours ago, Thesedays said:

I think it's funny I am being called "dumb" by racists who use a genocide for political brownie points. Yet, said smarter racists can't even quote the death toll correctly.

 

It's very much like arguing with Trumpkins. 

DUMB!

[Shelter]

We already knew this, what difference is it to what Biden/Harris were doing? They are puppets. They don't really have the power imo. They do what is advised. 
 

The US need Israel too much to go against them and I can't see that changing anytime soon. 

[ClashAndBurn]

5 hours ago, Adir said:

So you're suggesting someone else is reporting the Palestinians casualties on the behalf of the Gaza MOH?
And what are you basing your claim of that 'The Ministry of Health in Gaza has been razed to the ground'? 
In September 2024 they actually improved their methods:
https://reliefweb.int/report/occupied-palestinian-territory/tracking-gazas-war-death-toll-ministry-health-improves-accuracy-latest-casualty-report

The hospital they operated out of was turned into a pile of rubble, just like every other hospital, university, and cultural heritage site in the Gaza Strip. 

 

43k is  MASSIVE undercount. Estimates are there are at least 200k who've been massacred.

[Rep2000]

4 hours ago, Breathe On Moi said:

I mean, do I have to say anything more? They just keep proving it over and over again:

6 hours ago, Sharamee6 said:

Yes I do. He won't do anything. He'll bring peace and boost trade in the ME. 

 

[Superbitch]

On 11/6/2024 at 1:57 PM, Superbitch said:

That Ariana grande Stan will pretend they don't see this as always since it's Trump. 

A day later and I was right. Wbk the tea.

[Windy Day]

13 hours ago, Embustera said:

At least he's not a sheep in wolf's clothing.

right. everyone know trump is evil, however, the reason why people are so critical towards kamala is because she wants to portray herself as someone who wants to stop this massacre and advocate for a cease fire (that's literally never coming) while simultaneously sending tons of weapons to israel to massively fund this genocide lmao...

[Adir]

3 hours ago, ClashAndBurn said:

The hospital they operated out of was turned into a pile of rubble, just like every other hospital, university, and cultural heritage site in the Gaza Strip. 

 

43k is  MASSIVE undercount. Estimates are there are at least 200k who've been massacred.

What is the hospital they operate out of?
Hospitals or universities are not being targeted unless there's an actual evidence that there's militant (and in this case terror) activity there.
It is mentioned in the international law:
 

"Convention (IV) relative to the Protection of Civilian Persons in Time of War. Geneva, 12 August 1949":

"Art. 28. The presence of a protected person may not be used to render certain points or areas immune from military operations."
https://ihl-databases.icrc.org/en/ihl-treaties/gciv-1949

43k is NOT A MASSIVE undercount. If anything it might be an OVERCOUNT. In these 43K you're probably counting at least 20k Hamas combatants, but you're clearly not ready for this harsh reality that I'm exposing you to.
There's no estimation of 200K anywhere else besides your delusional response.

Seems like some members in this forum are actively trying to spread misinformation in order to bash Israel.
I will always be here to share the actual facts and burst your delusional bubble so you can keep trying 

Edited November 8 by Adir

[ClashAndBurn]

Begone hasbarist thot

[Adir]

4 minutes ago, ClashAndBurn said:

Begone hasbarist thot

Yeah, the Israeli government are paying me to do Hasbara on ATRL 
I'm sorry that I'm 'bombing' you with facts and knowledge on a subject that you're aware of only because you saw 2 TikTok videos about.
The reality is very different and complex from the image you've created to yourself in your mind  

Edited November 8 by Adir

[Sergi91]

Good thing Jill Stein will be able to help them 

[Bosque]

10 hours ago, Bloo said:

Ummm... per your own source these numbers are not from Hamas:

I do agree, we shouldn't trust the 43k death number because it's been stuck at that number since, I believe, March or April of this year.

The number is updated literally every day 

[Bumba]

Terrorism should be ended. I hope Trump can help Israel, but spare the lives of the innocent Palestinean citizens. Not everyone there voted for Hamas. The war needs to be ended so they have peace on both sides!