Hephaestus Posted November 4 Posted November 4 8 hours ago, The7thStranger said: Okay, you're clearly not getting this. Your entire angle is that Americans are very much in the wrong for placing their well-being and safety above that of the Palestinians. I believe you used the loss of reproductive rights as an example, clearly intending to paint that as something trivial. And you are hell-bent on focusing your attention on Kamala Harris, saying that supporting her is supporting the genocide and another example of Americans putting their safety about that of the Palestinians. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't see you giving the same energy for Trump, at least not to the same degree. And because American elections are binaries, which you should know, tearing down one candidate lopsidedly only benefits the opposition. You don't need to wave the Trump banner to show support even in an indirect way. My argument is that voting for Kamala means safeguarding a wide range of peoples, from POC to the LGBT+ community to the Ukrainians, as a Trump administration would be catastrophic to everybody. I'm using Ukraine as my pointed example because, of course, offering support to Russia not only threatens their very existence, but also the safety of several other countries in that part of Europe. And given that that is what is happening to Palestine, that should be of equal concern. Coming at Kamala so aggressively serves to help Trump. And helping Trump puts the everybody at risk. Hence why I firmly believe what I said before. Maybe in some theoretical vacuum, you want peace for everybody. But given the way you engage in these discussions, and perhaps because of the way the flow chart resulted in these two particular candidates, I think you want American voters to show unconditional support to Palestine at the expense of everybody else's safety. Well, I'm sorry, but that's not going to get us anywhere. Not voting on November 5 doesn't help Palestine, doesn't help Ukraine, doesn't help anybody. I'm heading to bed. Continue to respond if you wish. I'm done responding because it won't change anything. I already voted. 8 hours ago, heckinglovato said: tldr 1 4
Windy Day Posted November 4 Posted November 4 10 hours ago, 45seconds said: No one promised you that. so you agree that kamala's foreign policies are as evil as trump. interesting 2
Windy Day Posted November 4 Posted November 4 9 hours ago, Sawk said: Okay, I agree the criticism is valid, my only complaint is the TIMING. The fact of the matter is, both candidates have been TRASH when it comes to a resolution of the conflict between Israel and Palestine, I'm pretty sure most people here would agree on that. That being said, when it comes to a PLETHORA of other issues, Trump is WAYYYYYYY more damaging and pretending like this isn't the case because of the Palestine hyper-fixation is going to make the lives of more people worse. Palestinian lives are just as important as American lives, yes, but if both candidates are deficient on this issue, but one candidate is LEAGUES better on other issues, you best believe it's important to choose the lesser of two evils so the WORSE candidate does not even get a chance. After the election, I'll go right into your camp and push/criticize her on the Palestine issue, the Transgender issue, etc... as we should, but right now, two days before the election, the goal should be to make her look as good as possible to the biggest amount of voters possible. i understand your point of view, but in any well functioning democracy, it would be the candidate's goal to make themselves look as good as possible and adapt their program and policies to get the most amount of votes BEFORE the election. this is not YOUR job as a voter to make her look good. SHE should be chasing your vote 3
ICLDXU4HS Posted November 4 Posted November 4 24 minutes ago, AvadaKedavra said: She lives in a nordic country. One of the wealthiest and richest in the planet and with the best life quality. She's a famous white girl She cant talk about capitalism and imperialism and give moral lessons when she's beneffiting from the same system in Europe Oh so then who can talk about those things? Only oppressed people from poor countries that no one gives a **** about or pays attention to? 1
AvadaKedavra Posted November 4 Posted November 4 32 minutes ago, ICLDXU4HS said: Oh so then who can talk about those things? Only oppressed people from poor countries that no one gives a **** about or pays attention to? I never said that sister someone hacked my account. Help me against the hackers
Lil Mistee Posted November 5 Posted November 5 On 11/3/2024 at 5:44 PM, Almighty Gaga said: Why do Americans always think every single election is 'historical'. The US has had the same policies for centuries regardless of the candidates Love how this is literally wrong and everyone liked it 1
AlanRickman1946 Posted November 5 Posted November 5 On 11/4/2024 at 6:44 AM, Almighty Gaga said: Why do Americans always think every single election is 'historical'. The US has had the same policies for centuries regardless of the candidates John mearsheimer said the foreign policy won't change but the domestic one might.
AlanRickman1946 Posted November 5 Posted November 5 On 11/4/2024 at 6:44 AM, Almighty Gaga said: Why do Americans always think every single election is 'historical'. The US has had the same policies for centuries regardless of the candidates John mearsheimer said the foreign policy won't change but the domestic one might.
AlanRickman1946 Posted November 5 Posted November 5 On 11/4/2024 at 6:44 AM, Almighty Gaga said: Why do Americans always think every single election is 'historical'. The US has had the same policies for centuries regardless of the candidates John mearsheimer said the foreign policy won't change but the domestic one might.
AlanRickman1946 Posted November 5 Posted November 5 On 11/4/2024 at 6:44 AM, Almighty Gaga said: Why do Americans always think every single election is 'historical'. The US has had the same policies for centuries regardless of the candidates John mearsheimer said the foreign policy won't change but the domestic one might.
AlanRickman1946 Posted November 5 Posted November 5 On 11/4/2024 at 6:44 AM, Almighty Gaga said: Why do Americans always think every single election is 'historical'. The US has had the same policies for centuries regardless of the candidates John mearsheimer said the foreign policy won't change but the domestic one might.
AlanRickman1946 Posted November 5 Posted November 5 On 11/4/2024 at 6:44 AM, Almighty Gaga said: Why do Americans always think every single election is 'historical'. The US has had the same policies for centuries regardless of the candidates John mearsheimer said the foreign policy won't change but the domestic one might.
AlanRickman1946 Posted November 5 Posted November 5 On 11/4/2024 at 6:44 AM, Almighty Gaga said: Why do Americans always think every single election is 'historical'. The US has had the same policies for centuries regardless of the candidates John mearsheimer said the foreign policy won't change but the domestic one might.
AlanRickman1946 Posted November 5 Posted November 5 On 11/4/2024 at 6:44 AM, Almighty Gaga said: Why do Americans always think every single election is 'historical'. The US has had the same policies for centuries regardless of the candidates John mearsheimer said the foreign policy won't change but the domestic one might.
AlanRickman1946 Posted November 5 Posted November 5 On 11/4/2024 at 6:44 AM, Almighty Gaga said: Why do Americans always think every single election is 'historical'. The US has had the same policies for centuries regardless of the candidates John mearsheimer said the foreign policy won't change but the domestic one might.
AlanRickman1946 Posted November 5 Posted November 5 On 11/4/2024 at 6:44 AM, Almighty Gaga said: Why do Americans always think every single election is 'historical'. The US has had the same policies for centuries regardless of the candidates John mearsheimer said the foreign policy won't change but the domestic one might.
AlanRickman1946 Posted November 5 Posted November 5 On 11/4/2024 at 6:44 AM, Almighty Gaga said: Why do Americans always think every single election is 'historical'. The US has had the same policies for centuries regardless of the candidates John mearsheimer said the foreign policy won't change but the domestic one might.
AlanRickman1946 Posted November 5 Posted November 5 On 11/4/2024 at 6:44 AM, Almighty Gaga said: Why do Americans always think every single election is 'historical'. The US has had the same policies for centuries regardless of the candidates John mearsheimer said the foreign policy won't change but the domestic one might.
Ghiles Posted November 5 Posted November 5 (edited) 6 hours ago, Lil Mistee said: Love how this is literally wrong and everyone liked it From an outsider's point of view, it's not. US foreign policy has always been about maintaining its hegemony by funding wars, invading countries, supporting coups, destabilizing regions, and exploiting their resources. The US empire does anything to survive, even throwing allies under the bus. Americans show up every 4 years to vote for the "lesser of 2 evils", pressure everyone to do the same, then go about with their lives. They do nothing to change the 2-party system. They never hold their politicians accountable for their countless crimes and complicity in the worst atrocities. No accountability for Vietnam. No accountability for Iraq. No accountability for Afghanistan. No accountability for destroying Libya and Syria. and there will be no accountability for the Gaza genocide. Once Kamala is elected, you will not even pretend to care about Palestine. Greta's post is great and perfectly sums up the situation. She seems like a really good, passionate person with a solid moral compass. Edited November 5 by Ghiles 1 6
psychodiva336 Posted November 5 Posted November 5 Did you guys hear that John Mearsheimer said the foreign policy won't change but the domestic one might? 3
Vermouth Posted November 5 Posted November 5 (edited) 4 hours ago, Ghiles said: From an outsider's point of view, it's not. US foreign policy has always been about maintaining its hegemony by funding wars, invading countries, supporting coups, destabilizing regions, and exploiting their resources. The US empire does anything to survive, even throwing allies under the bus. Americans show up every 4 years to vote for the "lesser of 2 evils", pressure everyone to do the same, then go about with their lives. They do nothing to change the 2-party system. They never hold their politicians accountable for their countless crimes and complicity in the worst atrocities. No accountability for Vietnam. No accountability for Iraq. No accountability for Afghanistan. No accountability for destroying Libya and Syria. and there will be no accountability for the Gaza genocide. Once Kamala is elected, you will not even pretend to care about Palestine. Greta's post is great and perfectly sums up the situation. She seems like a really good, passionate person with a solid moral compass. It's also staggeringly f****g naive, on this day of polling. If you think Harris ain't great in relation to the world, well the return of Trump, will mean Netanyahu gets a full green light to do whatever the hell he wants. It will be medieval. In addition 38m people in the Ukraine are going to get thrown under a bus in a 21st century version of Neville Chamberlain doing "peace in our time" in 1938. This is Putin's Sudetenland moment in the Donbass, and Trump won't give a monkey's. And that's before we get to climate change…. Greta, for the love of God, grow up a tad. Edited November 5 by Vermouth 3
stevyy Posted November 5 Posted November 5 Gilead is coming. The youth or the world has an education problem.
Letemtalk Posted November 5 Posted November 5 The reason this genocide continues, is that Israel knows that Americans will pay for it and support it, while somehow managing to convince themselves they're saving the world from something worse.
Lil Mistee Posted November 5 Posted November 5 3 hours ago, Ghiles said: From an outsider's point of view, it's not. US foreign policy has always been about maintaining its hegemony by funding wars, invading countries, supporting coups, destabilizing regions, and exploiting their resources. The US empire does anything to survive, even throwing allies under the bus. Americans show up every 4 years to vote for the "lesser of 2 evils", pressure everyone to do the same, then go about with their lives. They do nothing to change the 2-party system. They never hold their politicians accountable for their countless crimes and complicity in the worst atrocities. No accountability for Vietnam. No accountability for Iraq. No accountability for Afghanistan. No accountability for destroying Libya and Syria. and there will be no accountability for the Gaza genocide. Once Kamala is elected, you will not even pretend to care about Palestine. Greta's post is great and perfectly sums up the situation. She seems like a really good, passionate person with a solid moral compass. Okay and I live here and every president has done different policy enactments to America that radically changed things. Just two examples: Trump appointing judges to overturn roe v wade and Obama giving us Obamacare. I could go on and on. Sorry, facts are facts.
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